Big 12 will remain as is,no expansion
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I believe there are a lot of moving parts going on within private conversations of conference and university big wigs. Probably some wait and see issues and/or timing with other universities. It could be just a simple decision to not do anything because of unattractive options, but, just some speculation on my part.
That's good. Don't need crappy historical programs like Houston and Usf and Ucf. Houston is very good right now because of Herman.
The big 12 is now dead. It's just a matter of timing now
That's not really true
Briles led them to a 10 win season
Sumlin led them to a 10 win and a 12 win season
So they are probably looking at their 5th 10+ win season in the last 10 years. With 4 different coaches in that time.
In recent years they are good. They have hired well. That's cool you used 5-10 years to judge their entire football history.
Because that's all we care about. Only program that cares about 30 years ago is Norte Dame because that's all they have. Tradition is one of the things that makes College football great, but sometimes we're a slave to the past. Like because you haven't been good for 40 years your not a legit program.
Bingo. Recruits have no idea who was good 20 years ago. Why should they care? Anything that happened a decade ago might as well be taught in a history class.
Nice try, but only loser programs have this mentality.
Actually only loser programs are worried about past and tradition(like Norte dame)
And he's right recruits don't much care about tradition
I stand by tradition, and Texas, because Texas is all about tradition as well.
I get your point, but, its not just about that. These potential schools that don't have the rich history must bring something to the table other than a few good years. It must have a commitment to all athletics which requires much continued investment. It also requires attendance to games of different sports. It can't be that only when Texas comes to town and you get a full house type thing. That is one sided. Unfortunately for them, they must show some sort of long term planning along with a proven track record. We all know that the city of Houston brings very good market share, but, that is different than the University of Houston bringing a very good market share. Houston is off to a good start to position itself to be that P5 school in a few short years if they play their cards right.
Sure. Tradition though is mostly for fans. It's pretty low on the priority lists of most recruits. And should matter even less when talking about conference expansion
That's a nice fantasy, but not reality.
Commitment to all athletics
What's Kansas doing then? Or Duke in the ACC(yeah I know they've been good lately) There are only a handful of programs that truly have commitment to being good in all sports
This expansion thing has been way overthought and botched from the beginning should of been relatively simple
What's the downside to saying at 10 teams? Is it just missing out on the opportunity to bring a couple of better quality teams to boost the conference as a whole? I don't really mind staying at 10 teams as long as we play a CCG just to stay on even playing field with other divisions.
Fantasy? Really ryan? I don't remember ever dissing you, but okay. I am in disbelief about the Duke and Kansas comparison to I guess you are referring to Houston. I was just generalizing about qualifications for a any long term member of a coveted P5 conference affilliation.
TCU is kind of what you would see Houston be like in the Big 12. Good at first and then morph into Big 12 good and then move onto Big 12 mediocrity. TCU is now Big 12 average/good.
Its not simple. Fox and ESPN didn't want to pay 30 million for the inventory of games offered up by any of the potential schools listed for expansion. Big 12 is around until the GOR is up. If the big 12 wants to expand its going to have to be a power 5. ACC is out. You could convince SEC or B1G but right now most likely is PAC. If we go we decide to leave the Big 12 before 2031 the only options are SEC or ACC due to LHN contract
Not a diss at all. Just pointing out it is a fantasy. If you beleive that the qualifications for being a power 5 conference team is being committed to success in all spirits then we need to do some purging of schools in every power 5 conference. I agree in theory that would be nice. It's not reality though.
It's not that simple now, but it could of been with good leadership.
The reason I say there was some overthinking is because of Fox/ESPN. Expansion shouldn't of been about tv markets, recruiting ground, etc. if you add good football schools and put up good football games you'll get money.
It was already dead, regardless of the outcome of the expansion vote.
Expansion is all about TV markets. Why do you think the B1G went after Rutgers and Maryland. No one is left that can deliver in their markets. In the east and if we go west we have to boot WVU
No no no no no no no. I tried telling some of you that big 12 isn't taking anybody. I even told you why they wouldn't.
The reality is that Texas and OU have long been shopping their best landing spots all b the while holding less revenue over the heads of the other schools.
"You might want to rethink allowing smaller schools into the conference lest you're ready to give up MORE revenue to these small schools."
BYU was the lone exception. They would be revenue generators BUT the folks at tcu and baylor have fundamental (behind closed doors mind you) objections to the Mormons that outweighs money. Do not kid yourself-- the powers that be at those two schools don't like the Mormons. They will never tell it to your face, obviously-- but it's like Shepard smith saying that he's gay.
Dear Shepard-- thanks for confirming what everyone already knew-- just didn't talk about it public.
As soon as OU and Texas have worked out the best landing $pot for them- then the big 12 will be imploded a la the swc.
The reality is that Texas and OU have long been shopping their best landing spots all b the while holding less revenue over the heads of the other schools.
"You might want to rethink allowing smaller schools into the conference lest you're ready to give up MORE revenue to these small schools."
BYU was the lone exception. They would be revenue generators BUT the folks at tcu and baylor have fundamental (behind closed doors mind you) objections to the Mormons that outweighs money. Do not kid yourself-- the powers that be at those two schools don't like the Mormons. They will never tell it to your face, obviously-- but it's like Shepard smith saying that he's gay.
Dear Shepard-- thanks for confirming what everyone already knew-- just didn't talk about it public.
As soon as OU and Texas have worked out the best landing $pot for them- then the big 12 will be imploded a la the swc.
All of this expansion was a waste of time and money for every school involved. Better be persuasive to lure some PAC schools later on or watch UT and OK move
If the TV networks gave the Big 10 more money because of Rutgers and Maryland they are morons
Maryland brings TV sets in DC and Baltimore. Rutgers brings TV sets in Philly and NYC. Those morons used 2 schools to get into the #1, 4, 7, and 26 TV markets and then leveraged that into a huge contract with Fox plus they expanded their footprint which means they get more money per subscriber for the B1G network from the cable companies.
History helps with money, money helps with everything especially recruiting. But if you think recruits care if a school used to be good, we will have to agree to disagree.
So lemme break it down for you.
Just a few weeks ago, Apache oil found a massive, and I mean massive, shale deposit in west texas. It's a huge chunk of shale oil that we hadn't seen yet. Guess who's land it was under. Ours. Through no fault of our own, we owe aggy 1/3 of it.
So while the rich keep getting richer, aggy gets to enjoy 1/2 of our good fortune. Yes, I know it's 1/3rd of the total deposit-- but we get 2/3rds. You get half of what we get.
Money doesn't buy happiness. But it helps.
I don't think that expanding with any of the candidates would have changed this. The most talked about candidate would have actually just sped up the process...
This conference is not luring anyone of note. Time to pack up
In a 9 year span they're averaging 9 wins but of course this is against C-USA and AAC opponents with a 5-4 bowl record against Air Force, Pitt, Florida State, etc..
I just don't know what other sports they bring to the table that they're good at.
Those little ladies got lead on, the conference was never going to expand unless P5's were ready to change and why in the hell, would they.
Nine more years and 2-3 are gone...
Texas, OU and Kansas
Drop Houston, they were never getting in, period. They were never getting 8 votes and the conference is already too regional. The only way expansion makes sense is new markets.
Neither Oklahoma school, Tech, Baylor or TCU were going to see Houston into the Big 12.
Nine more years and 2-3 are gone...
Texas, OU and Kansas
Drop Houston, they were never getting in, period. They were never getting 8 votes and the conference is already too regional. The only way expansion makes sense is new markets.
Neither Oklahoma school, Tech, Baylor or TCU were going to see Houston into the Big 12.
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