Cleveland's New Head Coach

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  1. clob94

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    So I'm hearing some inside buzz that I don't know if I fully believe yet, but what I'm being told by someone inside the organization is that Cleveland is looking to hire Lincoln Riley, and there's some split opinions on that. Cleveland is looking west at the rams with a young 30 year old coach and how they are killing it and think the same could be possible with them. Allegedly they are all in with Baker, and so much so that they think hiring his college coach would help prevent a "sophomore slump" that many NFL QBs go through. Thus, bettering their chances for a more successful season next year.

    I've known this individual inside the organization for a while and I have no reason to doubt this person.

    That is all.
     
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    I guess this rumor trumps the Riley to the Cowboys rumor. I'm all for it if Cleveland hires him. Question is, if Riley leaves OU, who replaces him? My vote is for Mike Stoops. =)roll
     
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    MM the call went like this---- "hey, long time no talk. Uh, ya I know who he is. What's my opinion? I don't have one. Could he change up his approach and make it old but new? For sure. Are you serious? Well........ I don't know how to respond to that. Hey, I'm a nobody..... they've gotta do what they think is best for them. You seriously think Riley is on the table? No sh!t? Well, good luck.".
     
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    I'm going to have to go workout with my trainer this week as their spouse's father is one of the Cleveland coaches. I'm assuming it is the same guy with Texas ties.
     
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    Riley already said no he loves Oklahoma
     
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    Said every coach ever midseason.
     
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    He will listen and follow the money..........
     
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    Every NFL job is better than every College job in general terms. Some people are a better fit in college (Saban), some people are a better fit in the NFL (Weiss) and some people can do either (Carroll).

    If Riley sees himself as an NFL guy, then he is gone. The money is more...the perks are more and it really isn't close. The pressure is higher though, that is for sure.
     
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    When interviewed yesterday Riley said the only thing he’s sure of at this point is rat-a-tat-tattin’ dat ass in the Big 12 CCG coming up. He didn’t mention to what team he was referring to though and when pressed he said it didn’t really matter, “any of them”. Dang
     
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    I think he stays. Wrong time and wrong place. If he was 35ish and had accomplished more as a hc I think he leaves. If it wasn't the Browns I think he leaves. So to me it's just the timing. Next time a nfl reaches out- he gone!
     
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    I think you’re right about staying for now. I’ve seen where he’s made mention that he realizes that he was handed a pretty good opportunity. The money has been good and will continue to be. If he wins a NC then I would think he would look around but who knows, some coaches aren’t mesmerized by the NFL.
     
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    I too think the Browns would like to hire Riley but I’m thinking Riley’s not a willing participant at this point. Money can change minds but I’m will to bet he stays where he’s at for the time being.
     
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    Lincoln won’t leave OU at this time. I feel confident about that. Stoops never left for the NFL when the rumors were flying around. Do you think Tom Herman leave Texas for the NFL if offered? I don’t think he would.
     
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    I'm sure Riley's agent saw the ease with which Stoops' agent was able to shake down the Norman rubes every year with this rumor. I expect to see this rumor annually again and subsequent raises.
     
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    For Tom and Lincoln or any other successful college HC, the package would have to be a really sweet deal. But billionaire owners can come up with really sweet deals.

    The only other thing that might make Riley even think about Cleveland is the fact Baker is there, and doing a decent job as a rookie. If Riley thinks he can win in the NFL and wants that he will go.

    But, who the hell knows what is going on in his head. He may just love Norman and want to stay there for 15 years or so.
     
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    Riley would leave for the Cowboys job in a second. Browns job offer would make him go diarrhea Tsunami his toilet.
     
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    So do you ever recover from coaching in Cleveland? Or is it a resume enhancer that you accept a mission that is doomed for failure? I can't imagine why he would ever leave OU for a job like that as long as they are winning.
     
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    Romeo Crennel is doing okay with Houston
    Pat Shurmur has a HC job again
    Pettine is DC at Green Bay

    Again, every NFL job is better and has more perks than every single College job. With that said, it doesn't fit everyone. But if you have a desire to go to the NFL, you don't wait for the perfect job, you go when you have the chance.

    If Riley wants to coach in the NFL, then he takes the $6MM per year and all the perks and goes to Cleveland. If he doesn't, he stays at OU and has a wonderful career. He is in a pretty good position here.
     
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    Only a finger puppet would go to the cowgirls. Jerah is the crypt keeper. He has presided over the death of the Cowboys.
     
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    The money in college football, especially at the blue blood programs is better than the nfl. Jerah doesn't pay squat. I would never leave a blue blood for a NFL gig.... The NFL is swirling the toilet bowl. College teams draw 100k+ fans.... NFL teams are struggling to get 30k to games. See where this is headed.
     
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    I don't disagree with that. If it weren't for Fantasy Football, I can't imagine where the league would be.
     
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    The lowest paid NFL head coach makes over $5 million per year. Bellichick makes $12MM per year. Maybe 5-6 college jobs can pay more than that? And that isn't starting salary either. The perks that go with an NFL job trump that of every single college job.

    Alabama
    Texas
    Oklahoma
    Michigan
    Ohio State
    maybe a few others

    Those are the only jobs that coaches might think about staying. Those are the only ones that can compete with the NFL, but even the Browns is still generally a better job than all of those.
     
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    Probably true Scholz but I have a question for you. Who would you rather face for the the foreseeable future, a Stoops led Sooners or a Riley led Sooners with no Stoops left on the payroll?
     
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    The direction of the NFL is bad. The only organized football programs that could be described as thriving are college football blue bloods. I would not take the Cowboys job over Texas, OU, Aggy.


    https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2018/09/30/weak-4-nfl-stadiums-remain-full-of-empty-seats/

    I realize most of the stadiums pictured are of teams that are bad or mediocre; but if the standard for a full stadium is a first place team, the NFL is done.
     
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    Winning cures that.

    I can assure you, the likes of Lincoln Riley aren't thinking, well...what if I don't win? Lincoln Riley, Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, etc. all think they can win anywhere. Same with Baker Mayfield. He was excited to go to Cleveland because he thinks he is so good he will turn the franchise around. I disagree, but he doesn't care about my opinion, lol.

    For you, the college scene and game is a better option and that is perfectly fine. For me, it would be the college game. But, in general terms, the NFL is a better gig than any college job. The only thing that changes that is personal preference.

    If you get a good QB, and know how to draft OL/DL then you're going to be a HC in the NFL for a long, LONG time.

    College recruiting is exhausting and more of a crapshoot than the NFL draft. That is a plus to the NFL.

    College, you lose players after 3/4 years. NFL, you can lock up your franchise players for as long as you want. Plus to the NFL.

    NFL pays more, has more perks and the ability to retain a roster.
     
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    I was sad to see Mike Stoops leave. Riley's a great offensive coach. He'll be tough to handle. Especially if he gets a competent DC.

    But that has nothing to do with the rubes in Norman being easily fleeced by agents floating false rumors. Which was my point.
     
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    I agree on the quality of current coaching positions concerning NFL vs CFB. I am referring to the future. Watch, Dabo is somewhere on the list and he will decline as well. The future of the NFL is bleak. The future salaries of the average NFL head coach are going to crash. The NFL can't support current expenses with half full stadiums. I give it 1 maybe 2 more years and the Chargers file for bankruptcy. Ultimately, they will not be able to pay players salaries and it's going to get ugly.

    The NFL peaked about 3-4 years ago. The tickets and concessions for NFL games are not realistic. They have based ticket prices on corporate deals which have completely written off the average dude.

    The start of the demise of the NFL occured in the mid 1990's with free agency. This killed the dynasty team in Pro football and hyper accelerated the boom bust cycle concerning wins. Free agency has insured that most teams are bad far longer than they could possibly be good.
     
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    I have a feeling the rumors about teams having an interest in Riley aren't false.
     
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    Uh huh.
     
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    You can bet Rileys agent is helping drive those rumors. Riley will get more $$$ but he won't leave OU.
     
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    Ah I see. Sorry I missed your point before hand.

    I don't think it will be quite as bad as you say 2300, but it will decline. Same with baseball and basketball. You can't keep gouging the average Joe and expect the growth to continue in order to offset rising player salaries. TV contracts have helped more than anything, but attendance in the three big sports will continue to decline if tickets/merch/concessions continues to rise.

    The best thing for college sports is they don't have to pay the players.
     
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    Not sure where you're getting this. I didn't look it up, but NFL teams are drawing well in excess of 30K fans per game. Most stadiums are sold out every week.
     
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    LA is too crowded to have the Chargers there and that is the main reason they have such a poor showing. I think also that the fans know they will eventually move so they are not showing up. Some city will be lucky to get them since they are 5-2 right now.
     
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    Takes more than one team to play a game much less a league.
     

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