Charlie was to be a savior of the UT program, and bring the Horns back to national prominence, with Louisville having the success that UT thought it would attain with Charlie, does that make the seat hot in Texas? .
Does the success at Louisville make Charlies seat hotter?
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No, Charlie's performance is what is making the seat hot. JMO.
I thought Texas would have a better season after moving away from Watson as OC. The roster must have been more depleted that people realize.
Talent isn't the issue. Our oline can rip holes in most defensive lines but we have had 4 kicks blocked. How is that possible? Stupid mistake after stupid mistake.
Charlie Strong is the worst game day coach I have ever seen. It looks like these athletes don't know shit about the game.
But the worst part is that Charlie Strong had two weeks to prepare for OSU and they still hung 50 pts on this team. On a defensive backfield that was supposed to be the strength of the defense. These guys have talent but look lost out there. I can't figure out how this is even possible.
His success at Louisville only put him more in the hot seat insomuch as it got him hired in a top-tier, high pressure job like Texas. Anyone who got this job was going to be under pressure to win. And on the flip side, Texas wasn't going to go hire someone who didn't have an impressive run where ever he was prior to this (outside of possibly an NFL coach or assistant).
my reference was to the success of Petrino in the same amount of time as Charlie has been at UT. I get your point though, many Louisville fans were here saying Strong would need a good OC and a special teams coach, and now you guys see why. Great recruiter, solid defensive coach, but with so many hands on the spoon in Texas, it is hard for any coach to have the control and input to be successful is the national perception.
Outside of Saban, or some pro coach, I think Texas will need to find an up and coming coach that can be an ambassador of Texas football, and then be a coach so the billionaires will be happy.
Petrino inherited a very talented roster from Strong and Strong inherited an empty cupboard from Mack. Pretty much all the talent at Texas is in the 2015 and 2016 classes. At this point, Texas has no more than 5-6 upperclassmen starters in total.
Charlie's core values are also effecting W-L. If Perkins isn't out for the DWI are there 3 blocked kicks to give OSU the momentum? How does the secondary look with the only lockdown corner, HH, out there instead of in Charlie's doghouse for rumored core value violations?
I'm starting to get the feeling that Coach Strong is one of those people that puts it on cruise once they get their dream job and no longer do what earned them the job in the first place.
Charlie's core values are also effecting W-L. If Perkins isn't out for the DWI are there 3 blocked kicks to give OSU the momentum? How does the secondary look with the only lockdown corner, HH, out there instead of in Charlie's doghouse for rumored core value violations?
I'm starting to get the feeling that Coach Strong is one of those people that puts it on cruise once they get their dream job and no longer do what earned them the job in the first place.
ask any Louisville fan about it and we will say Charlie owes us for giving him his first coaching job. He is a defensive guy, not an offensive guy, so he needs a quality x and o offensive mind. He also needs nasty defensive tackles for his defense to work.
Bedford is a great quote guy, but charlie is the straw that sirs the defense.
I dont know the personnel of UT, but I will say I hope Charlie wins this weekend and turns it around.
He got those in the 2016 class but they are all true freshmen.
I have actually always had a hard time buying that line. To paraphrase a reply I made on another thread, Texas has fared much better in recruiting over time than in-state rivals Baylor and TCU. Texas had a five year average ranking of 12.2 nationally (Rivals), including #3 and #2 classes in 2011-12. On the other hand, Baylor and TCU had average national rankings of 40.4 and 36.4 respectively. During those years, UT had a combined record of 3-6 against them (did not play TCU in 2011). I think there is a history here of too much hype and too little coaching/player development. "We're Texas" doesn't prepare players to win games.
Show me where they are on the field, the depth cart, and in the draft.
Even former Mack Brown GA turned cheerleader, Bobby Burton, has come around to Mack truly left an empty cupboard.
I don't disagree because they're not. This underscores my point that five years of recruiting yielded some very good talent. However, many players didn't pan out. That TCU and Baylor have been more successful with less raw talent tells me Brown and Strong have failed to develop what they had.
Do you truly believe that UT had a great amount of talent when Strong came in? The talent you see on the field is fr and So with a couple of sprinkles of Jr. No Sr leadership at all
Pretty much shows the opposite and it has been since about 2007/2008.
If the guy that do the recruiting sites were that good they'd be on someone's staff. They mostly go by who offered them.
hey Beasley...hope all is well. Have not seen you on the main board in a while.
Raw talent? Yes. Developed players? No.
I am saying that the team ABSOLUTELY SHOULD have had abundant talent and leadership. The four recruiting classes prior to Strong's first season ranked #3, #3, #2, and #24. Any other program would kill for those 2010-12 results. Most other programs would be happy with a #24 ranking, which is substandard for this Longhorn program.
I don't get why Charlie doesn't just play man to man exclusively, and blitz his ass off. Sure you would give up some big plays, but not that many more than you are now. Complex is not working for these guys. Rushing 3 and covering is crazy, they can't cover. High risk and some reward seems better than low risk and 50 points against every team with a pulse.
And I'm telling you recruiting services suck and go bye who offered and where the kid committed,
Find me any transfer from 2009-2014 classes that have had good careers(even a year) elsewhere.
Certainly is when you are using we're Texas to argue there had to be talent and then argue the problem is the we're Texas attitude.
You can't show any talent at Texas, any that was drafted from a Texas, or any that transferred out and was successful elsewhere.
It's funny how recruiting services only suck for teams with poor coaching. I wonder why that is?
We disagree. But yes, the Mack Brown approach to coaching in the later years was to recruit the highest quality talent out of high school ("we can because 'We're Texas'") and do nothing with it. Obviously talent that is not developed in an NCAA program will not get drafted.
Oh, sorry, misunderstood the title and original post a little. But yeah, as others have said, Strong left Louisville on the rise. Brown left Texas at a point where things were tumbling downward, so that was a problem.
does it seem to many here that recruiting services miss on players and that it is not as accurate as the basketball service rankings?
again, I think it goes by need for a program, not just star talent. I also believe some high star talent kids could be at the peak of development while some 3 star kids could actually be 5 star type kids.
Recruiting services are what they are which is far from perfect. But if I am to throw out all rankings as it pertains to what Charlie inherited, wouldn't I need to throw out the rankings as to what he has brought in? Which leaves me to looking at the production on the field? Which was better before Charlie?
which would lead you to want change. He is a great DC. his first ever coaching job was Louisville. We are HAPPY TO HAVE BOBBY BACK.
Maybe that explains why BIG12 defenses are so bad. Assuming you have to be passive and drop 8 guys into coverage might explain a lot. Good defenses are aggressive. When A&M was a true spread team with Manziel LSU was not passive on defense. They outnumbered you in the run game and got after the QB. Sure they had elite talent, but it is possible to stop a spread team without having a passive defense.
It wasn't empty. Our QB situation was bad and our offensive line was under performing (easy to do when you can't pass & are 1 dimensional). We had 2 good running backs (Gray & Brown); good defensive backs, defensive line, and line backers (under Strong, our defense was best in 2014 with Mack's guys); and decent wide receivers.
I agree. It wasn't left empty but it wasn't good. The only positions that were good are DL and LB. DB's was not good except for Diggs. Don't forget about the ones that were kicked off the team.
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