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Speed, coach, weevil, call me crazy........ but I think I've figured this out.

This staff is playing sabermetrics. For those that haven't heard that term, another name for it is moneyball.

We are using numbers to determine not only play calling, but personnel. What makes me think that? Because nothing else makes sense. There's no rhyme or reason for some of the play calling with regard to down and distance as well as substitutions.

Let me break it down for you.

Ingram averaged 6.2 yards per carry. So anybody with common sense would tell you that this average is well above what is acceptable by a running back in college (4.5 ypc) being the benchmark. Common sense would dictate that a coach would recognize this statistic and use it to their advantage. Watson was averaging 4.5 ypc until his fumble. Should that carry have gone to Ingram? Perhaps, BUT, here's what I think happens:

Coaches have run through these plays hundreds of time in practice. In the film room, the RB coach has determined that this particular playcall has a greater chance of success with Watson than with the other backs. The metric used by the RB dictated to him that Watson, based on this metric, should be substituted during this play.

Think of it as a pitching relief staff that can be substituted in and out with unlimited numbers. Instead of bringing a lefty out of the bullpen with bases loaded to face another lefty with two outs in the bottom of the 8th, imagine being able to have one pitcher throw the first pitch, then another pitcher throw the next pitch, then a third pitcher throw the next...... and so on.

To see how easily people can get lost in the weeds using statistical analysis, look at this example:

During the Vietnam War, Sec Def Robert Mcnamara and his bean counting group called the "Wiz Kids" looked at how many bullets had been fired in the warby US troops and how many enemy casualties were the result. They figured out that there was this ridiculous number of 5.56 ammo fired in order to kill one enemy. Based on bullsh!t metrics, they came up with a statistical analysis that said there should only be 7.3 bullets fired to exact one enemy fatality. Mind you, these wiz kids were 10,000 miles away and had never set foot in a war zone. But God dangit, their statistics were correct! As FBHORN will tell you, and anybody else who's ever been in a war zone, there is a zero probability of being able to predict exactly how many rounds will be needed to kill an enemy. It's a fvcking war. Metrics don't work in a gun fight.

I sincerely believe that we are using statistical probabilities to determine substitutions. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. We've got a coach who is obviously proud of his Mensa card and the 140+ score he had on the Stanford-Benet IQ test, so wouldn't it make sense that he is using some high minded form of calculations to call plays and personnel?
 
Speed, coach, weevil, call me crazy........ but I think I've figured this out.

This staff is playing sabermetrics. For those that haven't heard that term, another name for it is moneyball.

We are using numbers to determine not only play calling, but personnel. What makes me think that? Because nothing else makes sense. There's no rhyme or reason for some of the play calling with regard to down and distance as well as substitutions.

Let me break it down for you.

Ingram averaged 6.2 yards per carry. So anybody with common sense would tell you that this average is well above what is acceptable by a running back in college (4.5 ypc) being the benchmark. Common sense would dictate that a coach would recognize this statistic and use it to their advantage. Watson was averaging 4.5 ypc until his fumble. Should that carry have gone to Ingram? Perhaps, BUT, here's what I think happens:

Coaches have run through these plays hundreds of time in practice. In the film room, the RB coach has determined that this particular playcall has a greater chance of success with Watson than with the other backs. The metric used by the RB dictated to him that Watson, based on this metric, should be substituted during this play.

Think of it as a pitching relief staff that can be substituted in and out with unlimited numbers. Instead of bringing a lefty out of the bullpen with bases loaded to face another lefty with two outs in the bottom of the 8th, imagine being able to have one pitcher throw the first pitch, then another pitcher throw the next pitch, then a third pitcher throw the next...... and so on.

To see how easily people can get lost in the weeds using statistical analysis, look at this example:

During the Vietnam War, Sec Def Robert Mcnamara and his bean counting group called the "Wiz Kids" looked at how many bullets had been fired in the warby US troops and how many enemy casualties were the result. They figured out that there was this ridiculous number of 5.56 ammo fired in order to kill one enemy. Based on bullsh!t metrics, they came up with a statistical analysis that said there should only be 7.3 bullets fired to exact one enemy fatality. Mind you, these wiz kids were 10,000 miles away and had never set foot in a war zone. But God dangit, their statistics were correct! As FBHORN will tell you, and anybody else who's ever been in a war zone, there is a zero probability of being able to predict exactly how many rounds will be needed to kill an enemy. It's a fvcking war. Metrics don't work in a gun fight.

I sincerely believe that we are using statistical probabilities to determine substitutions. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. We've got a coach who is obviously proud of his Mensa card and the 140+ score he had on the Stanford-Benet IQ test, so wouldn't it make sense that he is using some high minded form of calculations to call plays and personnel?


This is likely. He's obviously into statistics, hence probabilities. He doesn't come across as Vince Lombardi or Jimmy Johnson who were the best of the best when it came to bullying wins. I'm going to post a thread on some of the likely outcomes of the season and the effects. I call it the Yardstick but it's mostly perspective.
 
So Clob was this formula or strategy used at UofH?
Well, we have two possible scenarios---

He was taught this BY someone.

He learned this on his own.


Who, in his coaching career, did he serve under that you believe could be intelligent enough to develop a system like this and teach it to Herman?

I can only come up with one guy: Meyer.

So either Meyer taught him this, or he's had it in theory, in his mind for years.... and once he became a head coach, he was able to implement this strategy. Do I think he rolled this out at UT? It would be risky on his part, if that's the case.
 
This is likely. He's obviously into statistics, hence probabilities. He doesn't come across as Vince Lombardi or Jimmy Johnson who were the best of the best when it came to bullying wins. I'm going to post a thread on some of the likely outcomes of the season and the effects. I call it the Yardstick but it's mostly perspective.

Lombardi said...."football is 2 things...blocking and tackling. If you block better and tackle better than the other team you will win"...........doesnt get simpler than that.

Jimmy Johnson demanded execution of his players. He brought in a running back to take over when Emmit was holding out. The guy fumbled on his second carry and JJ cut him before he got back to the bench. ....That sends a message to the team that cannot be misunderstood.
 
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Do I think he rolled this out at UT? It would be risky on his part, if that's the case.

I guess that's my point. Why risk rolling out a theory here? He knows the expectations at UT are very high so if he decided to roll dice man he has big balls or his mensa card needs to be revoked.
 
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Lombardi said...."football is 2 things...blocking and tackling. If you block better and tackle better than the other team you will win"...........doesnt get simpler than that.

Jimmy Johnson demanded execution of his players. He brought in a running back to take over when Emmit was holding out. The guy fumbled on his second carry and JJ cut him before he got back to the bench. ....That sends a message to the team that cannot be misunderstood.

Jimmy didn’t put up with Sh#%. I remember he cut a LB John Roper for falling asleep during a film session. It’s called accountability and it starts from bottom all the way to the top.
 
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Speed, coach, weevil, call me crazy........ but I think I've figured this out.

This staff is playing sabermetrics. For those that haven't heard that term, another name for it is moneyball.

We are using numbers to determine not only play calling, but personnel. What makes me think that? Because nothing else makes sense. There's no rhyme or reason for some of the play calling with regard to down and distance as well as substitutions.

Let me break it down for you.

Ingram averaged 6.2 yards per carry. So anybody with common sense would tell you that this average is well above what is acceptable by a running back in college (4.5 ypc) being the benchmark. Common sense would dictate that a coach would recognize this statistic and use it to their advantage. Watson was averaging 4.5 ypc until his fumble. Should that carry have gone to Ingram? Perhaps, BUT, here's what I think happens:

Coaches have run through these plays hundreds of time in practice. In the film room, the RB coach has determined that this particular playcall has a greater chance of success with Watson than with the other backs. The metric used by the RB dictated to him that Watson, based on this metric, should be substituted during this play.

Think of it as a pitching relief staff that can be substituted in and out with unlimited numbers. Instead of bringing a lefty out of the bullpen with bases loaded to face another lefty with two outs in the bottom of the 8th, imagine being able to have one pitcher throw the first pitch, then another pitcher throw the next pitch, then a third pitcher throw the next...... and so on.

To see how easily people can get lost in the weeds using statistical analysis, look at this example:

During the Vietnam War, Sec Def Robert Mcnamara and his bean counting group called the "Wiz Kids" looked at how many bullets had been fired in the warby US troops and how many enemy casualties were the result. They figured out that there was this ridiculous number of 5.56 ammo fired in order to kill one enemy. Based on bullsh!t metrics, they came up with a statistical analysis that said there should only be 7.3 bullets fired to exact one enemy fatality. Mind you, these wiz kids were 10,000 miles away and had never set foot in a war zone. But God dangit, their statistics were correct! As FBHORN will tell you, and anybody else who's ever been in a war zone, there is a zero probability of being able to predict exactly how many rounds will be needed to kill an enemy. It's a fvcking war. Metrics don't work in a gun fight.

I sincerely believe that we are using statistical probabilities to determine substitutions. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. We've got a coach who is obviously proud of his Mensa card and the 140+ score he had on the Stanford-Benet IQ test, so wouldn't it make sense that he is using some high minded form of calculations to call plays and personnel?
Coaches use stats all the time. The amount of research on your opponent is astronomical especially now since everything's software base (mainly film breakdown on hudl or other software). So what im saying is this is nothing new, there's some GA up in the press box charting everything down and calculating the stats of each play, down/distance, strong/weak, run/pass, play direction, and there's tons more.

what makes a good coach his how they adjust to what the other teams throwing at them. The wrinkles. Or just what the other team is doing well, and you have to change what your doing to stop it.

From the box it's like a game a chess, always trying to predict what the other teams move is going to be. Where you get in trouble is thinking too much. sometimes you just have to play and do what you do best and tell the other team "this is what we are doing, come stop it."

I think the great teams have balance of both adjustments and confidence.
 
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Speed, coach, weevil, call me crazy........ but I think I've figured this out.

This staff is playing sabermetrics. For those that haven't heard that term, another name for it is moneyball.

We are using numbers to determine not only play calling, but personnel. What makes me think that? Because nothing else makes sense. There's no rhyme or reason for some of the play calling with regard to down and distance as well as substitutions.

Let me break it down for you.

Ingram averaged 6.2 yards per carry. So anybody with common sense would tell you that this average is well above what is acceptable by a running back in college (4.5 ypc) being the benchmark. Common sense would dictate that a coach would recognize this statistic and use it to their advantage. Watson was averaging 4.5 ypc until his fumble. Should that carry have gone to Ingram? Perhaps, BUT, here's what I think happens:

Coaches have run through these plays hundreds of time in practice. In the film room, the RB coach has determined that this particular playcall has a greater chance of success with Watson than with the other backs. The metric used by the RB dictated to him that Watson, based on this metric, should be substituted during this play.

Think of it as a pitching relief staff that can be substituted in and out with unlimited numbers. Instead of bringing a lefty out of the bullpen with bases loaded to face another lefty with two outs in the bottom of the 8th, imagine being able to have one pitcher throw the first pitch, then another pitcher throw the next pitch, then a third pitcher throw the next...... and so on.

To see how easily people can get lost in the weeds using statistical analysis, look at this example:

During the Vietnam War, Sec Def Robert Mcnamara and his bean counting group called the "Wiz Kids" looked at how many bullets had been fired in the warby US troops and how many enemy casualties were the result. They figured out that there was this ridiculous number of 5.56 ammo fired in order to kill one enemy. Based on bullsh!t metrics, they came up with a statistical analysis that said there should only be 7.3 bullets fired to exact one enemy fatality. Mind you, these wiz kids were 10,000 miles away and had never set foot in a war zone. But God dangit, their statistics were correct! As FBHORN will tell you, and anybody else who's ever been in a war zone, there is a zero probability of being able to predict exactly how many rounds will be needed to kill an enemy. It's a fvcking war. Metrics don't work in a gun fight.

I sincerely believe that we are using statistical probabilities to determine substitutions. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. We've got a coach who is obviously proud of his Mensa card and the 140+ score he had on the Stanford-Benet IQ test, so wouldn't it make sense that he is using some high minded form of calculations to call plays and personnel?


I think you shoot by situations, firefight, ambush...etc also when your guys in the jungle , you might not see him and have to shoot the whole area up and some wait for muzzle flashes as thats a locator, now if ya out a a outpost , well ya got distance of open fields and you tend to shoot less as you can see whos comingand then ya got the gangsters that shoot everything they got and go back for more, it all depends on the guy and the situationand as for Mcnamara, I could find at least 50 guys that woulda shot his ass for a pack of gum. I think the best ting that was good for the grunt was the Claymore and the air boys dropping Nap, thats what they need in Afgan is napalm the shit outa the place, it sorta gives the enemy a 20 vision illusion of 20 virgins or start running you ass of the other way




Hook'em
 
Whatever theories y'all can come up with is better than any explanation I can muster. Multiple coaches, multiple staffs, mostly different players......no change in results.

When watching the game, all I hear is that damn circus clown song followed by the twilight zone at clock 0:00.

We have good enough players with good enough ability to compete with anyone but we can't......or don't. Something very obvious is missing in our formula but we can't figure it out.
 
Anybody else laugh at the "shoot mcnamara for a pack of gum" line?



I think you shoot by situations, firefight, ambush...etc also when your guys in the jungle , you might not see him and have to shoot the whole area up and some wait for muzzle flashes as thats a locator, now if ya out a a outpost , well ya got distance of open fields and you tend to shoot less as you can see whos comingand then ya got the gangsters that shoot everything they got and go back for more, it all depends on the guy and the situationand as for Mcnamara, I could find at least 50 guys that woulda shot his ass for a pack of gum. I think the best ting that was good for the grunt was the Claymore and the air boys dropping Nap, thats what they need in Afgan is napalm the shit outa the place, it sorta gives the enemy a 20 vision illusion of 20 virgins or start running you ass of the other way




Hook'em
 
What baffled me was Maryland had no answer for the HUNH and the staff abandoned it after going up. SMH

Seems that HUNH would help Ehlinger stop overthinking.
 
Speed, coach, weevil, call me crazy........ but I think I've figured this out.

This staff is playing sabermetrics. For those that haven't heard that term, another name for it is moneyball.

We are using numbers to determine not only play calling, but personnel. What makes me think that? Because nothing else makes sense. There's no rhyme or reason for some of the play calling with regard to down and distance as well as substitutions.

Let me break it down for you.

Ingram averaged 6.2 yards per carry. So anybody with common sense would tell you that this average is well above what is acceptable by a running back in college (4.5 ypc) being the benchmark. Common sense would dictate that a coach would recognize this statistic and use it to their advantage. Watson was averaging 4.5 ypc until his fumble. Should that carry have gone to Ingram? Perhaps, BUT, here's what I think happens:

Coaches have run through these plays hundreds of time in practice. In the film room, the RB coach has determined that this particular playcall has a greater chance of success with Watson than with the other backs. The metric used by the RB dictated to him that Watson, based on this metric, should be substituted during this play.

Think of it as a pitching relief staff that can be substituted in and out with unlimited numbers. Instead of bringing a lefty out of the bullpen with bases loaded to face another lefty with two outs in the bottom of the 8th, imagine being able to have one pitcher throw the first pitch, then another pitcher throw the next pitch, then a third pitcher throw the next...... and so on.

To see how easily people can get lost in the weeds using statistical analysis, look at this example:

During the Vietnam War, Sec Def Robert Mcnamara and his bean counting group called the "Wiz Kids" looked at how many bullets had been fired in the warby US troops and how many enemy casualties were the result. They figured out that there was this ridiculous number of 5.56 ammo fired in order to kill one enemy. Based on bullsh!t metrics, they came up with a statistical analysis that said there should only be 7.3 bullets fired to exact one enemy fatality. Mind you, these wiz kids were 10,000 miles away and had never set foot in a war zone. But God dangit, their statistics were correct! As FBHORN will tell you, and anybody else who's ever been in a war zone, there is a zero probability of being able to predict exactly how many rounds will be needed to kill an enemy. It's a fvcking war. Metrics don't work in a gun fight.

I sincerely believe that we are using statistical probabilities to determine substitutions. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. We've got a coach who is obviously proud of his Mensa card and the 140+ score he had on the Stanford-Benet IQ test, so wouldn't it make sense that he is using some high minded form of calculations to call plays and personnel?

I don't think you're crazy one bit, as I was thinking the same thing. I found it hard to believe that Ingram was not "needed" in the 2nd half. I only had time to get thru one quarter so I don't have as much depth as you in regards to this topic. I was basically looking for mistakes and what I "thought" was the call (both O/D).

Without knowing the responsibility of each player, my guess is we were 11/11 (for those wondering what I mean by that number, it's all players executed perfectly) about 33% of the time in the 1st quarter. That's not very good. What did you see?

One thing that didn't make me real comfortable was on our first drive (maybe 2nd) we ran Base (what I call it) and folded the 4i. Anderson came around the LG and was absolutely stoned by the ILB...I mean damn near to one knee. Another thing was the fact we couldn't break down their man-2 deep. Our creativity in route combinations is lacking, or our players have little ability to create separation. Either way, that needs to get better.

Now, having said all of that I'm saying this...these are things that can be fixed. And it isn't going to be fixed with analytics.
 
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Coaches use stats all the time. The amount of research on your opponent is astronomical especially now since everything's software base (mainly film breakdown on hudl or other software). So what im saying is this is nothing new, there's some GA up in the press box charting everything down and calculating the stats of each play, down/distance, strong/weak, run/pass, play direction, and there's tons more.

what makes a good coach his how they adjust to what the other teams throwing at them. The wrinkles. Or just what the other team is doing well, and you have to change what your doing to stop it.

From the box it's like a game a chess, always trying to predict what the other teams move is going to be. Where you get in trouble is thinking too much. sometimes you just have to play and do what you do best and tell the other team "this is what we are doing, come stop it."

I think the great teams have balance of both adjustments and confidence.

I think clob was saying the analytics are taken to a level even farther than normal. And I tend to agree.
 
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I don't think people fully understand the insanity that is Texas High school football. We get every game and scrimmage film of our opponents. Every play is charted. (down, distance, location, hash, formation, play type, and result). We tried to look for tendencies and incorporated those into our game plans. Then we looked for guys who could hurt us and tried to figure out the best way to game plan against them. Then we tried to find some guys we could pick on and figured out how we could isolate them by formation.

Maryland did that to us. They put Roach in some situations that exploited his weakness. When Davis went out they beat us with a simple out route. They know same has GG type vision and they baited him into some bad throws. Its hard to really tell everything that is going on from the TV film. You really need the wide and the endzone to get the whole picture but based to what I saw on TV I have two words burned into my mind. Sloppy and Unprepared.

I coached some bad football teams. 2-8 and 3-7. The 2 and 8 team was just not very talented. When we watched the film we just got beat in 1 on 1 match ups all over the field. The kids were in the right position they just couldn't make plays. The 3-8 team was at a different. They were sloppy and when I went back and looked at film it made us question if we really knew what we were doing. That was my last year coaching after that year I can't stand watching sloppy film and unfortunately too many Texas games remind me of that year.
 
I went back and rewatched the game over the last couple of days. 2 glaring observations:

1) the defense really need a couple more LB's, roach looked lost a couple times playing in the middle, and this is why the jet sweep (football 101 play) killed us. losing gary to targeting might have costs us the game, since they were already down 2 other lbs before that.

2) Keontay ingram made a lot of freshman mistakes, yes he's probably the future at rb, but he left 2 td's on the field. He cut back inside on two runs and if he would've just trusted the play and his teammates to block (which they did) he runs for 100+ easy with 2 more rushing td's

Scheme wise, sure it look liked we got out coached. And we probably did. But the execution was bad bad BAD... Coaches need to rip their freaking butts for 2 straight weeks until USC
 
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I went back and rewatched the game over the last couple of days. 2 glaring observations:

1) the defense really need a couple more LB's, roach looked lost a couple times playing in the middle, and this is why the jet sweep (football 101 play) killed us. losing gary to targeting might have costs us the game, since they were already down 2 other lbs before that.

2) Keontay ingram made a lot of freshman mistakes, yes he's probably the future at rb, but he left 2 td's on the field. He could back inside on two runs and if he would've just trusted the play and his teammates to block (which they did) he runs for 100+ easy with 2 more rushing td's

Scheme wise, sure it look liked we got out coached. And we probably did. But the execution was bad bad BAD... Coaches need to rip their freaking butts for 2 straight weeks until USC

They better rip it big before Tulsa.............
 
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I went back and rewatched the game over the last couple of days. 2 glaring observations:

1) the defense really need a couple more LB's, roach looked lost a couple times playing in the middle, and this is why the jet sweep (football 101 play) killed us. losing gary to targeting might have costs us the game, since they were already down 2 other lbs before that.

2) Keontay ingram made a lot of freshman mistakes, yes he's probably the future at rb, but he left 2 td's on the field. He could back inside on two runs and if he would've just trusted the play and his teammates to block (which they did) he runs for 100+ easy with 2 more rushing td's

Scheme wise, sure it look liked we got out coached. And we probably did. But the execution was bad bad BAD... Coaches need to rip their freaking butts for 2 straight weeks until USC

That Gary Johnson call really pisses me off. And we wonder why tackling is so hard these days. Don't be surprised if sometime this season Gary gives up a huge play because he's worried about tackling without getting penalized. Bullsh*t.
 
Metcalf.....first time I ever disagreed with you that I know of...GJ was bearing down all right, but the guy was already sliding when Johnson came in. He was on his way for a tackle, but he had time to at least pull his head back. As it was, he didnt spear the guy, but he could have/should have made a smarter play.
 
That Gary Johnson call really pisses me off. And we wonder why tackling is so hard these days. Don't be surprised if sometime this season Gary gives up a huge play because he's worried about tackling without getting penalized. Bullsh*t.

If you watch the replay, GJ was standing at the first down marker and the QB slid into him. It really pissed me off that he got called for that. What is he supposed to do in that situation? Get out of his way so he can gain more yards? Stupid.
 
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the runner is down where his knee(or butt) hits the ground no matter how far he slides This aint pro ball rules..
 
I counted 2-3 headshots on Texas players that were worse than GJ's targeting hit but were not called. Big 12 refs strike again and often.
 
I counted 2-3 headshots on Texas players that were worse than GJ's targeting hit but were not called. Big 12 refs strike again and often.
When I saw it live, I thought there was no doubt that he would be thrown out...he clearly had the opportunity to dive over the top and not directly into the head of the runner.

All that to say, I think the automatic ejection is dumb. Maybe they should double or triple the penalty yardage, but ejection for a judgement call is a little harsh. Especially since it seems that the officiating crews get it wrong more often than they get it right.
 
The one thing to note about analytics is that data isn't just available to one side. So if you become overly reliant upon them to drive your decisions, you can become predictable in your actions. Same thing works around personnel. If you focus on player specialization and only using players in specialized roles, then teams will learn or understand that certain players equal certain types of plays. This becomes the fastest way to eliminate the base talent edge that Texas takes into 80% of the games it plays.
 
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The one thing to note about analytics is that data isn't just available to one side. So if you become overly reliant upon them to drive your decisions, you can become predictable in your actions. Same thing works around personnel. If you focus on player specialization and only using players in specialized roles, then teams will learn or understand that certain players equal certain types of plays. This becomes the fastest way to eliminate the base talent edge that Texas takes into 80% of the games it plays.
exactly, tendencies are a real thing. Works both ways
 
You guys wanna talk about hits I watched some of the opening Thursday NFL game and wow all the damn new rules like sacking the qb watch....the aaron Rodgers rule....



A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player's arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.
 
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You guys wanna talk about hits I watched some of the opening Thursday NFL game and wow all the damn new rules like sacking the qb watch....



A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as "stuffing" a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player's arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

That's some BS right there! May as well put a pink skirt on QB's these days.
 
yeah....new NFL rule....interfering with the offensive game plan.....

One of the many reasons I quit watching NFL 8 years ago
 
with no evidence to back me up, i thought this last year. why else would we run 5 rb's out there and give them all less than 10 carries(with the exception of watson). Ive long thought that we need 1 maybe two guys to be running backs.
 
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