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  1. q1w2e3

    q1w2e3 Well-Known Member
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    Anyone interested in talking about Longhorn football?
     
  2. outhereincali

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    Always. I really think we can win 9 games this year but then I again I always think that in June lol.
     
  3. matt0123

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    Defense has a chance to be really good.
     
  4. GuaranteedFresh!

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    Sure!
    Once upon a time back in 1893, Coach Albert Lefevra's Longhorns finished season 1 with a perfect 4-0............
     
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  5. 2300 Nueces

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    Unless you have some inside confirmed info on recruiting, the win-loss expectations have been covered.
     
  6. clob94

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    Db's--- yes. LB's will be ok. D line, not so much.
     
  7. diadevic

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    2-3 years ago didn't they sign like 5 DT's? Are they all gone?
     
  8. clob94

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    And arby's sells pastrami now..... doesn't mean it's any good.
     
  9. q1w2e3

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    yes, only two are left from that class.
     
  10. q1w2e3

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    I was feeling good, not great, but good about Hager, Omenihu, Roach on the DL and a wait and see on Nelson/Wilbon/T. Graham/Chisolm on this inside of the DL. What are you not liking? Only guy not returning is Poona.
     
  11. outhereincali

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    And I heard that was one h*** of a team. I read somewhere that it was considered one of the ten best teams of all time.
     
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  12. clob94

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    Can't tell if being serious........ want to laugh but not...
     
  13. diadevic

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    No kidding, but whiffing on all 5 is pretty hard to do. Only point I was making was, if any are left, year 3 is when they should start making a meaningful contribution. Unless they are pastrami.
     
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    Good or not, you have to tip your hat to anyone playing football with a loincloth on their head. Back when young men were ruff n tuff.
     
  15. outhereincali

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    Go ahead and laugh it was meant a a joke.
     
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    Do you think it's possible that they will move any ol to the dl? Are any of them good enough to play there?
     
  17. oldhorn2

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    I tend to trust our man Clob.....but all the supposed smart guys say the DL will be the strongest unit on our team.


    I take that to mean we are in trouble......
     
  18. q1w2e3

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    Speaking of position groups, I noticed we have seven scholarships tied up on running backs alone:

    Young, Carter, Porter, K. Johsnon, T. Houston, Townsend, Ingram

    And despite that not sure yet if there is a single game changer among the group?
     
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    Good thing we only play with 3 of them.................

    .............

    .....er............

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    Young I think can be...and don't forget we have that Cal transfer coming in.
     
  21. clob94

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    We are so thin on the Oline........
     
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    Again, while at practice, watching the dline and Oline doing drills, it is easier to get an idea of our talent and shortcomings than when we scrimmage. Nobody wants to get hurt in the scrimmage so everybody stays high.

    I know a monster dline when I see one..... we ain't got it. Serviceable? Perhaps. But no monster.

    We have an olineman transferring in from rice who will start..... Rice..... there have been very few olineman in history from rice that, compared to Texas talent, would be able to get playing time in our line......
    The cal running back transfer is another example. In the history of cal running backs, there's been only one that could have started at Texas----- beastmode.... marshawn lynch. Young doesn't impress me yet.
     
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    Oops, we have EIGHT schollies tied up in RB’s. Crazy.

    I like Young, I think he runs downhill bigger and stronger than his size and has decent speed once he gets going. Nice find and eval by Herman as he was the best RB we had last season. I just wish he had a little more burst and wiggle and he would be an elite total package.

    I’m still wondering what Carter’s got if he can hang on to the ball and get out of the doghouse.
     
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  24. BringBackRoyal

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    Nah, sorry, that's not right at all. Cal has had a lot of good RBs in the 21st century -- in addition to Lynch, they've had J.J. Arrington, Jahvid Best, Justin Forsett, Shane Vereen, and maybe others I'm forgetting. All of those guys were drafted, and all of them would have started here in almost any season over the last decade.
     
  25. oldhorn2

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    hell....old as I am I was thinking Chuck Muncie

    at any rate.....I stand by my statement that I trust our man Clob
     
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    The pressure is on. All the staff layoffs may be occurring because of a drop in football/basketball ticket sales. We need facilities upgrades so a big season is needed indeed. Clob's dissent as a former player is not encouraging. So far, it seems the criticism is of players and not the coaches. Amiright?
     
  27. clob94

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    There's not enough of a body of work yet for the coaches to be assessed. Year one is always a throw away. You see patterns developing in play calling, game plans, critical situations etc.
    Remember year one when Greg Davis started throwing screen passes? By year 3 we were all like, "Oh, another screen pass....". So yes, the jury is still out on the coaches.
     
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    DL- Good. Not great, not very good, just good. We have the horses on the ends, DT has a lot to prove.

    LB- could be great. Will not miss Malik. That's right, I said it. As much as I loved Malik, he was still out of position and ran himself out of plays far too often. We're loaded with studs at LB. Gary Johnson and Anthony Wheeler both could turn out to be as good or better than Malik. Shark and Fabio are no slouches, either.

    DB-OMFG I can't wait.


    As far as RB, don't sleep on Kirk Johnson. People seem to have forgotten, but he showed flashes of brilliance before his injury.
     
  29. oldhorn2

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    I hope so Metcalf....but poor ole Kirk....He stays so injured when guys are NOT tackling him that I fear what happens when they start to tackle him.
     
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    We're going 12-0!
     
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    No, they’re occurring because the useless bureaucratic bloat in our AD is unlike any other. We operate with close to double the number of full-time employees of other major athletics programs, despite having a similar, and in several cases smaller, number of student-athletes. (We have 429 full-time employees. Other major programs carry roughly between 220 and 280.)

    This is why I always shake my head when people start jerking themselves off over our gross revenue numbers. Much of our advantage is wasted on literally hundreds of unnecessary full-time AD staff that do absolutely nothing to improve our chances of winning in any sport. Quite the opposite, since they drain revenue that might have been spent on keeping our facilities from lapsing into utter mediocrity, among other things.

    I’m hoping that CDC’s cuts are only a modest beginning. There’s a lot of resource-draining deadweight to go after still.
     
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  32. MadDogKC

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    Funny
     
  33. diadevic

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    Interesting. Not saying its right or wrong, but one of the things I've always noticed is UT takes the band to every road football game. Isn't that 300+ people? How much does that cost? I know that when other schools come to Waco, OU will bring 15 brass, none of the others bring anyone. Maybe its worth the expense, but that's gotta cost a lot.
     
  34. oldhorn2

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    this is a very good post.
     
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    I've always gotten the impression that Mack Brown created a lot of these jobs for guys he worked with whose time with the fb team was not needed anymore. Correct me if I'm wrong here but aren't these state jobs. If so that means a job with great benefits and a pensions as well. The one that I found most appalling was the one for former asst coach Mike Tolleson. Basically he had a fundraising job where he had to work only a few days a year and it turns out he didn't show up. If this is true or false let me know. One of the things that Steve Patterson wanted to do was to eliminate these jobs. One thing is certain these jobs need to be eliminated. Most of these people don't deserve these jobs and their benefits. But if this isn't true let me know.
     
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    Yes, there's some glut. But Patterson went after sacred cows like meals for coaches and the SID.
     
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    They’ve never gone to every road game - only the ones in state and whatever major OOC road game is on the schedule (tOSU, USC, etc.). When I worked with LHB, we would go to aTm, TT, BU and Dallas. Not cheap, but these were hardly extravagant trips for the students (box lunches and rarely an overnight stay). And often a few BMDs would fit the bill.

    Not even a drop in the bucket for the athletic budget.
     
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    This will be an interesting year. I look for the WR's to be the strongest group follow by the DB's. Also, look at the TE position to be a lot better. QB should be better but every year we say that. I think the LB's will be good. Don't be surprised if Gary Johnson becomes one of the best at his position in the country. Issue position is the kicking game and returner as well. We haven't done well since Shipley
     
  39. q1w2e3

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    I think the success of this season will be determined by how much the offense can improve. I think the defense will still be at least solid, possibly great again. However, the offense has been bad. Very bad.

    When I looked into the stats of the offense it was alarming. Texas' OFEI rating (offensive efficiency index: offensive efficiency adjusted for strength of opponents) was #117 in the country out of 130 teams. The only Big 12 team behind Texas was Kansas. The only other power five teams behind Texas were Kansas and Illinois. By the way, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State finished #1 and #2 respectively in those rankings.

    For reference, the year before last in Strong's last season with the Giblet offense Texas finished #85 out of 130 and was also second to last in the Big 12 only ahead of Kansas. However, Herman's team lost the three best OL from that 2016 team, all three NFL caliber players including both the left and right tackle: Connor Williams, Brandon Hodges, and Kent Perkins. In addition he lost the Doak Walker award wining 2000 yard rusher in D. Foreman. Strong also had the stability of the same QB starting all 12 games.

    So how much improvement could be reasonably expected in year two with Herman? By the way, before some of ya'll start screaming about Tim Beck and the play calling, don't forget Tom Herman called the plays in the bowl game and the offense was just as bad or worse. Only 280 yards of total offense, 3.94 yards per play which was lower than the season average of 5.15 (which was second to last in the Big 12). Only 113 rushing yards on 42 carries at 2.7 yards/attempt.

    I think there will be some improvement with play calling and personnel packages regardless of who is calling the plays, but I think there is way more to story with the offensive development. Before injuries I expect at least marginal improvement form all six OL positions when including the TE. The same with both starting QB's returning especially with Sam having been a true freshman. Also, improvement with the RB position. The two main guys from last season, Young and Carter were both true freshman and you add in the Cal transfer and Ingram. WR should be fine. And I'm hoping the addition of OL coach Hand adds a boost to the horrid OL.

    Despite all that we are still talking about what was the 3rd worst power 5 offense last year.
     
  40. q1w2e3

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    BTW, Texas' Defensive Efficiency Index ranking last season was #6 in the country only behind Georgia, Auburn, Wisconsin, Alabama, and Clemson. TCU was second in the Big 12 at #18.

    Texas' 2016 rating was #45. That's a huge improvement.
     
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