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We need to face the facts. Tom Herman's results are no better than Charlie's results in year 1. We are a terrible program that cannot find a way to win. It does not matter if we lose in overtime, by 1 or by 100. We are losing.

Bob Stoops won a national title in year 2. We are nowhere near that capability.

Very very disappointed.
 
BigHookem said:
We need to face the facts. Tom Herman's results are no better than Charlie's results in year 1. We are a terrible program that cannot find a way to win. It does not matter if we lose in overtime, by 1 or by 100. We are losing.

Bob Stoops won a national title in year 2. We are nowhere near that capability.

Very very disappointed.
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So stop watching. :rolleyes:
 
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It is true that recored wise its we are going to likely finish between 5-7 wins maybe 8 if we get lucky. That’s generally where we have been not only in Strong’s 3 years but also the 2-3 years even before that.

There were a lot of people who this spring and summer who said the win total was going to go up just because we had Herman instead of Stromg. That clearly won’t be the case were pretty much in the boat we’ve been in the last few years.

With that said let’s see what adjustments are made and how next season starts before we start calling Herman a fraud and all that.
 
It’s Herman’s first year. The defense is much improved. Fundamentally, we are playing better ball. Special teams look decent - punter is a beast. We are competitive in every game.

After 6 crappy seasons under 2 different head coaches, Herman’s team isn’t too shabby.
 
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BigHookem said:
We need to face the facts. Tom Herman's results are no better than Charlie's results in year 1. We are a terrible program that cannot find a way to win. It does not matter if we lose in overtime, by 1 or by 100. We are losing.

Bob Stoops won a national title in year 2. We are nowhere near that capability.

Very very disappointed.
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If you expected a naty you're crazy . And stoops had a loaded team. TH had made some head scratching calls but a no injury Texas team is probably a one loss team two at most team right now. This team is a lot better than Strong's team right now . You can tell in the way they don't give up and fight tell the end.
 
Stoops inherited a team that was a recruited by a guy that was eventually banned from college football. He never won a championship without John blakes recruiting tactics.
 
BigHookem said:
We need to face the facts. Tom Herman's results are no better than Charlie's results in year 1. We are a terrible program that cannot find a way to win. It does not matter if we lose in overtime, by 1 or by 100. We are losing.

Bob Stoops won a national title in year 2. We are nowhere near that capability.

Very very disappointed.
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I think you answered your own disappointment. This is THs first half year. Strong had 3 with zero improvement and I already see quite a bit of improvement with TH over Strongs year 3 results. It isnt reflected in the w/l numbers but it is very obvious. To be fair, let's revisit this comparison in exactly 2 more years. I have a good feeling you'll be singing a different tune.
 
I can't help but laugh at the expectations of winning an NC in year 2 when we had a cluster F&ck the past 3 years. I get it that we have talent but come on man these players have had how many coaches in the past 6 years? I'm talking head coach to position! Expectations were set high by Mack but damn!
 
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LOL at any Texas fan under the delusion that a Bob Stoops caliber coaches are just out there for the plucking year end year out. We are nowhere near a NC in year 2? How can that be, don't we have a long history of winning championships left and right. These are the same people that have convinced themselves that in the aughts a trained money could replicate Mack accomplishments.
 
Wow. Your O-line is completely depleted and you have barely lost to 3 top ten teams in year one. I am obviously not a Texas fan, but good lord man, have a little perspective and/or patience. Stoops went 7-5 his first year and lost the bowl game WITH those national championship recruits. No one knows how he will turn out and I think next year is a much better gauge but with your injuries, your kids are playing hard and competing. That is great, considering the last few years.
 
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BigHookem said:
We need to face the facts. Tom Herman's results are no better than Charlie's results in year 1. We are a terrible program that cannot find a way to win. It does not matter if we lose in overtime, by 1 or by 100. We are losing.

Bob Stoops won a national title in year 2. We are nowhere near that capability.

Very very disappointed.
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You're comparing Herman to a Hall of Fame coach. Will Herman duplicate Stoops accomplishments? Highly unlikely and same goes for Riley. One thing I've heard multiple coaches say about Stoops was that he was good at managing the whole team. Can the same be said for Riley and Herman? Only time will tell but way too early to judge imo.
 
LMAO, it's a completely different product! I'd take this and I do give it a pass for now. The OL is depleted and this team is still in every game.

Chuck in year one: First 7 games (3-4) FINISHED 6-6 / 5-4 IN THE 12

North Texas W 38-7 (WENT 4-8)
BYU L 41-7 blown out (WENT 8-4)
UCLA L 20-17 (WENT 9-3)
KU W 23-0 first road win to a team that finished (WENT 3-9, 1-8 IN THE 12)
BU L 28-7 blown out (WENT 11-1)
OU L 31-26 (WENT 8-4)
ISU W 48-45 (WENT 2-10, 0-9 IN THE 12)


Herman: first 7 games (3-4) SOS trumps Strongs (bigtime)!

Maryland L 51-41 have since lost both starting QB's (The only surprise thus far) currently 3-4
SJSU W 56-0, currently 1-7
USC L 27-24 in OT to a top 10 ranked team on the road (at the time) currently 6-2
ISU W 17-7 first road win, currently 5-2, beat OU.
KSU W 40-34 in double OT, currently 3-4
OU L 29-24 to a top 10 ranked team, No.1 offense at the time, currently 6-1
OSU L 13-10 to a top 10 ranked team, No.1 offense at the time, currently 6-1


The only fluke for Herman was Maryland, other than that....they've been beat by 3 teams better than them and for the moral victory fellas...that is progress!


This team is literally a depleted OL and run game away from 6-1..................................
 
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Stoops inherited a team that was a recruited by a guy that was eventually banned from college football. He never won a championship without John blakes recruiting tactics.
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it's called coaching DipStickHarry. Stoops brought in the right OC, DC and players as well as players that Blake couldn't coach and motivate, and made them National Champions. He did what Blake couldn't do.
 
Herman is likely a better coach than Strong. But he has better players year 1 than Strong did. Go back and look at the starters on that squad. It was really bad. That OL was atleast as bad as this one.
 
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Herman is likely a better coach than Strong. But he has better players year 1 than Strong did. Go back and look at the starters on that squad. It was really bad. That OL was atleast as bad as this one.
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The current OL situation is worse. Knowing what they are missing.
 
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The current OL situation is worse. Knowing what they are missing.
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I think it's a wash. Maybe I give an OL edge to Strong's first year given they at least had a healthy freshman Williams if nothing else. But Sam and Shane are better QBs than Swoopes and Heard, and this squad has better receivers.
 
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I think it's a wash. Maybe I give an OL edge to Strong's first year given they at least had a healthy freshman Williams if nothing else. But Sam and Shane are better QBs than Swoopes and Heard, and this squad has better receivers.
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Williams as a third year (first season 2015) even bigger loss, Kerstetter as a true fresh, E Rod didn't get to play one snap, on and on.

Charlies OL in 2014 took a big hit in game one losing Dom and it continued to decline much like the current situation.

Williams has been a massive loss.

Starting 2014 OL:

LT (jr) Hutch, LG (jr) Flowers, C (sr) Dom, RG (so) Perkins, RT (jr) Estelle

Finished up with:

Hutch, Flowers, Doyle, Perkins, Raulerson versus Arkansas
 
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This one has lost more for sure, but neither had talented starters outside of 1 position. Like I said I give the OL edge to Strong because he at least got a healthy freshman campaign from our only talented lineman, but were really comparing degrees of shit. No doubt Herman has better skill position players than Strong though.
 
bubba2023 said:
This one has lost more for sure, but neither had talented starters outside of 1 position. Like I said I give the OL edge to Strong because he at least got a healthy freshman campaign from our only talented lineman, but were really comparing degrees of shit. No doubt Herman has better skill position players than Strong though.
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Williams played as a true freshmen in 2015.
 
Belldozer1 said:
it's called coaching DipStickHarry. Stoops brought in the right OC, DC and players as well as players that Blake couldn't coach and motivate, and made them National Champions. He did what Blake couldn't do.
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I was wondering when Bell would respond to that.
 
LongfellowDrew said:
I can't help but laugh at the expectations of winning an NC in year 2 when we had a cluster F&ck the past 3 years. I get it that we have talent but come on man these players have had how many coaches in the past 6 years? I'm talking head coach to position! Expectations were set high by Mack but damn!
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Finally somebody else besides me brings up the numerous coaching changes our players have had to go through.
 
Last winter when the announcement was made that Tim Beck was the OC. I didn’t like it but I was ok with it because I figured Herman would be heavily involved in the offense on gameday if not call the plays himself. Knowing now that it’s not really the case and wasn’t the case with Houston I would of liked to of seen Herman stick with Gilbert at least for 2017 and see whst the offense could do with a 2nd year in the system. He put up 30 points a game last year with a freshman QB who was injured 2nd half of the year.
 
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