I'll tell you what worries me what if

Discussion in 'Longhorn Sports' started by outhereincali, Oct 9, 2018.

  1. outhereincali

    outhereincali Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,538
    Likes Received:
    1,066
    Ruffin McNeil and Bob Diaco bring a dramatic improvement to OK's defense? Obviously not a top10 defense but a top 50 defense?

    Let's face it they have an incredible offense. Considering who we were up against I thought our d played great for 3 quarters. But for whatever reason we hit a wall in and only 7 minutes they scored 21 points. Kyler Murray may be an s***head but the boy can ball.

    They have 2 weeks to sort this thing out. Ruffin McNeill and Bob Diaco have decent resumes. And RM is a coach perhaps the only coach that Riley himself hired. It appears to me that McNeill and Riley have an excellent working relationship they did some positive things together when they were at East Carolina. And Diaco was a Broyles award finalist. You have to know they have a few decent players. We can speculate all we want my thoughts from what I've seen and heard is s that the players were tuning Mike Stoops out.

    I doubt it will happen but KM might surprise us and get with the defensive coaches and ask what can the offense do to help out the d? You know be a leader. One of the biggest problems is time of possession. Joel Klatt was saying in their previous two games the OK d was on the field a total of 82 minutes. We had a decisive edge in top which is what our coaches were trying to do. Now I understand why their d was cramping up and limping off the field that and the weather


    Let's face it this year the Big XII is TX, WV, OK, and everyone else. So there's a chance we will play these guys again. If they run the table then they're back in the title game. OK/WV play on the day after Turkey Day at Morgantown a spot in the Big XII title game will be at stake.

    My .02 worth
     
    dsutton_85 likes this.
  2. 2300 Nueces

    2300 Nueces Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    530

    I'm not concerned about blou. I don't think we see them again. i also think you're counting TCU out a little too early. If Cumbie gets a little improvement from Robinson they will be tough to beat. TCU can hang with ou and has a better defense. TCU was a couple plays away from beating an overrated tosu. I honestly thought TCU had it won. Not afraid of WVU.... they can't beat us at home. TTech will be much tougher than WVU especially if we have to play in Lubbock at night. Ever been to Lubbock for a Texas/Tech game? Don't believe me? Ask our resident aggys what they think about playing tech late in the season when they have nothing to play for except ruining Texas post season aspirations.
     
  3. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    In my opinion Texas played about as well as they’ve played for the last 2 years imo. OU played nowhere near their best. Turnovers being one. OU has a ton to correct but you are right, if OU gets a 50/50 defense, round No. 2 could be another good one.
     
  4. Scholz

    Scholz Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2005
    Messages:
    38,888
    Likes Received:
    4,829
    If we’re in the Big XII title game, it’s already a win as far as Im concerned. Don’t care who we play.
     
  5. 2300 Nueces

    2300 Nueces Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    530
    Oklahoma is at TCU this weekend and at WVU late. They won't win both, the refs will make sure of it. Letdown watch this weekend. Fatterson has tons of tape on ou and has had a week off to get ready.
     
    FlourBluffHorn and LonghornMM like this.
  6. outhereincali

    outhereincali Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,538
    Likes Received:
    1,066
    OK doesn't play TCU till 10/20 they're off this week. TCU plays TT this week.

    It's only midseason and of course a lot can change but so far I'm not impressed by Shawn Robinson at all. TCU lost back to back to a**holeU and TX and they barely beat ISU. Maybe an off week will help them as well. But if it doesn't then I see TCU ending up with a losing record.
     
  7. 2300 Nueces

    2300 Nueces Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    530

    You are correct on the schedule. I still don't see ou winning @ TCU and @ WVU.

    OU didn't beat ISU by much either. We were the low point for TCU this season. I really like Robinson. He is learning just like Sam was last year. He will be good. He has a great attitude and is a quality person as much as K Murray is not.
     
    Metcalf #2 likes this.
  8. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    Riley against Patterson is a gimme and proven twice decidedly last year. OU will be ready imo
     
  9. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    Agreed, Robinson seems like a real good kid. No trash talk, good sport, and respectful. Did you guys see when he ran into the Texas sideline and knocked some guy on the Texas staff down? He stopped in the middle of all those Horns and helped the guy up. That speaks volumes. I'm pulling for that kid.
     
  10. 2300 Nueces

    2300 Nueces Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    530
    Neither game was in Ft Worth. Amiright? Can't deny the big 12 ref home cookin.
     
    Belldozer1 likes this.
  11. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    The second game was a neutral site. TCU should have been more than prepared since OU already rat-a-tat-tatted that ass earlier in the year but TCU got spanked just as bad the 2nd time. No home cookin' there just a straight up ass whippin', twice. Riley has had Patterson's number and I expect that to continue in 2 weeks.
     
  12. outhereincali

    outhereincali Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,538
    Likes Received:
    1,066
    Or this coaching change could have an opposite effect and could destroy OK's season. We'll have to wait and see.
     
  13. 2300 Nueces

    2300 Nueces Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    530
    Ok, well we'll see. Texas having OU down by 3 scores is what mattered. We let you back in the game. Don't expect that again.
     
    13 2300 Nueces, Oct 10, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
    Metcalf #2 likes this.
  14. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    Exactly. We finally started stopping ourselves, since they couldn't, is the only reason they got back in it. Otherwise the final score is more like 59-31.
     
  15. outhereincali

    outhereincali Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    May 30, 2015
    Messages:
    2,538
    Likes Received:
    1,066
    Not so fast Belldozer. Last year OK had a Heisman winner at qb. And as far as TCU is concerned with everything that has happened in the last 72 hours in Norman I have no idea who will win that game.
     
  16. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    At the time OU spanked TCU last year they did not have a Heisman winner at .qb. Murray’s number are as good if not better than Mayfields were. OU wins, Patterson cries again. You’re acting as if we fired Riley with your “everything that’s happened in the last 72 hours” comment. LOL, no we fired the one person holding us back from stopping Opposing offenses from scoring every drive.
     
    16 Belldozer1, Oct 11, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2018
  17. ElDiabloTejano

    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2014
    Messages:
    10
    Likes Received:
    6
    ha! that dude said ruffin mcneal inprove a defense, with a straight face.
     
    diadevic and ASURAM2010 like this.
  18. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011

    Oh man, that moment before fans realize it was not all the DC's fault, but that Texas Tech head coach and his tortilla tossin' system he brought with him.
     
    diadevic, Scholz and ASURAM2010 like this.
  19. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    Metcalf we’ve been having this problem before Riley even arrived on the scene. It took Riley to start to admit there was an issue and hopefully attempt to start fixing it. Bob Stoops didn’t think there was a problem
     
  20. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    Trust me, he’s not my first choice and I’ve mentioned several times on here in the past that I feared this exact scenario would come to pass but as crappy as our D looks , I’m totally convinced that McNeil can do as good and hopefully better that what we’ve had. He’s been preaching fundamentals, tackling so we’ll see
     
  21. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    How long has Riley been at OU running that Red Raider offense? Defenses just struggle when offenses don't use any clock. Of course there may be exceptions, but that's the rule.

    Hell just look at us under Strong. Fast offense, no defense to be found. All of a sudden, in comes Herman, determined to use clock even at the expense of the offense, and magically our defense dramatically improves almost immediately.

    I believe the best thing that could happen to OU long term is Riley going to the Dallas Cowboys. As long he's there, you're basically sand aggy with better athletes, and I don't believe that's where you want to be.
     
    LonghornMM likes this.
  22. ASURAM2010

    ASURAM2010 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2012
    Messages:
    576
    Likes Received:
    261
    Let's be honest about one thing, Sand Aggie with better athletes is pretty darn scary. IF, and thats a big IF, they slowed down offensively even just a touch to get that defense some air. It could be scary to watch. But they way they are playing 7on7 offensively definitely hurts their defense.
     
    Metcalf #2 likes this.
  23. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    Oh yeah it's definitely scary, but it's most likely gonna cost them. At least once a year, you're gonna slip up and let somebody score more than you. It's happened last year against Georgia, and now already this year. When you're a team that wants to go undefeated and play for championships, this system is mighty risky.
     
    ASURAM2010 likes this.
  24. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    Without looking, I would venture to say we run the ball more than Tech. Riley is no doubt trying to win with offense because we have no defense. Look at Georgia game last year, we could have held the ball for 29 minutes of the first half but do you think our Defense would have stopped them scoring when they had the ball? No. Our D wasn't tired they just don't tackle and got run over. I guarantee fundamentals and bad tackling account for a ton of our defensive woes. Nobody is predicting we're going to be the 85' Bears from here on out but if McNeil can get these players to tackle better first off and then work on other technique and personnel moves, then at worst I see this as a lateral move with a ton of room to go up.
     
    24 Belldozer1, Oct 11, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2018
  25. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    You can he's running that offense because he has no defense, I can say that offense is reason for no defense. Who knows? All I know is that most teams that run an offense like that struggle with defense. It's something to think about.
     
    outhereincali and westx like this.
  26. clob94

    clob94 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2014
    Messages:
    7,188
    Likes Received:
    4,619
    Say what you want, but the staff bag'o d!cks showed up in Norman with in 1999 was pretty salty. Yes, it was filled with pirates, fat men and little brothers.... but I give them credit....

    The offense was Steve Spurrier's with a twist. The fun and gun.... that could run.
     
  27. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    All I'm saying is that there is no way I accept our D players were tired in the first half of the RRS. They actually played somewhat better in the 2nd half. Did they take a nap at halftime? I think that whole D getting tired is a worn out excuse for not having one. These idiots train all year to not get tired, no way they are exhausted after 2 series. Especially considering they go against our offense every day. So playing a team like Georgia should be like a day off for them right? Weak players and weak scheme etc.
     
    ASURAM2010 likes this.
  28. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    I don't think they played any better in the second. We stopped two drives on our own with holding penalties, and went conservative. Don't let that fool you into thinking the OU defense stepped up. They didn't stop us all day.
     
  29. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    You just proved my whole point.
     
  30. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    Keep thinking that. Get back to me after DC coordinator changes don't work. Just like they never did at Tech. Until then, warm up them tortillas! Lol
     
  31. 2300 Nueces

    2300 Nueces Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2015
    Messages:
    1,416
    Likes Received:
    530
    In the OU practices, how much time is given as a focus on the defense? How much is given on the offense? I know Tech would kick the D to the curb in order for the offense to have many more reps. Does OU do the same? The announcing crew that worked the game said that the OU D had already occupied the field up to the RRR game 80% of the time.

    There is one thing about the spread that might work. To run a spread offense that does not spend much time on the field, requires 2 first teams defenses that spend equal time on the field. If the O in the spread spends half as much time over a season on the field, you would need a new set of bodies on the D to absorb some of the playing time. In addition to this, run an aggressive defense that emphasizes using the fresh legs on D.
     
  32. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    Metcalf if our D couldn't stop you on your first series then explain to me how on earth that is Riley's offense's fault? I truly don't get your point on face value. If our defense played great first halves but then cratered in the second halves, then I can see your point but Your logic is based on the assumption that fast scoring offenses don't let the defense rest but we couldn't stop you on the first series? Don't you think that if Riley agreed with your premise then he would not have fired Mike Stoops? Even Riley said holy crap, enough is enough. Go read Mike Stoops comments. Even he apologized for his crappy defense, he never once said, "well, we had a good plan but gosh damn, just like every game, our defense is so exhausted from the first series of the game and just can't recover." No, they just plain sucked it up.
     
  33. Scholz

    Scholz Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2005
    Messages:
    38,888
    Likes Received:
    4,829
    I'm trying to follow you here. So which is it, the Xs and the Os or the Jimmys and the Joes? Or is it a combo of Mike Stoops' scheme, his lack of teaching how to tackle and weak players? And now McNeil's fundamentals will improve all of that?

    Also, a little harsh to call your players idiots, weak and suckass, no?
     
  34. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    Yeah, it's a little of all, but a lot of Mike Stoops. Referring to players as idiots is perhaps a little harsh. I'm hoping McNeil can hopefully correct some of it but like I said I predict Worst case scenario a lateral move. By the way, what happened to you, did you join the Hare Krishna movement over the weekend or something? You seem somewhat relaxed.
     
  35. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    I think the point being made there was including OU's abysmal D performance against Army, where the OU D literally stayed on the field for 80% of the game because they simply couldn't get a stop due to a myriad of reasons.
     
  36. Belldozer1

    Belldozer1 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2014
    Messages:
    4,620
    Likes Received:
    926
    One more thing to consider Metcalf, Texas had more passing yards than OU did but OU had more rushing yards than Texas did, so the air raid you refer to, isn't really what you may think it is.
     
  37. weevilcatch

    weevilcatch Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2003
    Messages:
    17,758
    Likes Received:
    780
    man, I tend to lean with Belldozer and other OU fans on this one. Riley is a good coach. I don't see OU losing again this year. That offense is going to be too much. However, I don't see the defense improving much, if at all, so it could trip them up.
     
  38. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    Lol, keep telling yourself that. You only had more rushing yards because of one long run by Murray. You lost time of possession, so that running game you refer to, may not be what you think it is.
     
  39. weevilcatch

    weevilcatch Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2003
    Messages:
    17,758
    Likes Received:
    780
    Texas will limit the big play if the teams meet up again. Texas was never stopped by OU. Texas was much more efficient on offense than OU. That has a greater likelihood of repeating than a busted coverage 77 yard pass play and a 67 yard run on a defense that has stopped playing.
     
  40. Metcalf #2

    Metcalf #2 Well-Known Member
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2011
    Messages:
    7,565
    Likes Received:
    2,011
    Frankly I'm really bored of this conversation. All I know is, teams with hair on fire offenses rarely come with solid defenses. That's no accident.

    Anyway, time will tell.


    EDIT: In the meantime, you will continue to see me type references to OU being sand aggy, tortillas and all. Any Sooners don't like it, don't let the door hitcha where the good lord splitcha.
     
    LonghornMM and weevilcatch like this.

Share This Page