I can compare the 17-year old version of Card that existed vs. 17-year old Murphy.Great point. Apples to oranges. Can’t really compare 17 yo to 20 yo. But Murphy is that special. Look at his body. Grown ass man. And I empathize the Ass part.
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I can compare the 17-year old version of Card that existed vs. 17-year old Murphy.Great point. Apples to oranges. Can’t really compare 17 yo to 20 yo. But Murphy is that special. Look at his body. Grown ass man. And I empathize the Ass part.
But, did it have a better regular season? I don't think it did.
I'm not, actually.
He's been a failure so far at Texas, but this was a very good regular season based on the history of the program.
I punished the season that had an end of the season collapse that cost it the Big 12 title.Sure it did. I mean, let's compare their regular seasons:
'10-'11 25-6/13-3 Solo 2nd. There are TWO other Texas hoops teams that won more than 25 regular season games, and NEITHER is the Final Four team. Had B2B December wins AT Greensboro against UNC and AT East Lansing. Snapped a however long win streak of KU's at the Phog. CRUSHED aggy (both times ranked) by a combined 41 points.
'06-'07 22-8/12-4. solo 3rd. Didn't beat KU. Got hammered by aggy in B/CS by 18. No real earth-shattering OOC wins.
How is this even a discussion?
I think conference wins as the deciding dynamic is a bit flimsy because....Obviously "very" is subjective, but this regular season, IMO, was "good." Not "very good." If we're being intellectually honest and using a proper timeframe of the the previous two coaches which is where Texas really began to tap into it's basketball potential, this season is good. Not "very good." Thirteen seasons under Penders/Barnes finished with more than 11 conference wins. Four more finished with 11 conference wins.
I think conference wins as the deciding dynamic is a bit flimsy because....
a. some years the league is tougher than others. I'd argue Texas finishing third this year is a tougher achievement than Barnes' team winning a weak conference in his first year.
b. Penders' years in a mostly weak SWC makes it hard to compare apples to apples.
I personally prefer the seeding component of comparing the teams because it reveals what the NCAA committee viewed their seasons to be in conjunction with the rest of the nation. It eliminates any murky areas involved with comparing one team that played in a tough league vs. one that didn't.
I punished the season that had an end of the season collapse that cost it the Big 12 title.
For the love of God, not everything is racial. Please let it stop.Card must be clearly superior or there is a serious risk of splitting the team along racial lines. Thompson has paid his dues, is known to be incredibly committed to preparing for each game despite knowing he was highly unlikely to see the field and he was lights out when given the opportunity in the Alamo Bowl.
Those who want to use divisiveness to “bring down white culture” have not gone away. They will reappear in opposition to the committee report on TEOT. They will continue to claim racism where there is none. They do not accept that merit should determine outcomes. Naming Card over Thompson will fit their narrative nicely. The outside agitation would surely crescendo.
This single decision could wreck the Sarkisian era at Texas before it gets untracked.
My prediction is that we are going to see both Thompson and Card splitting time until Sark feels the team will accept one or the other as their QB. The one who “loses” very well may enter the transfer portal following the 2021 season.... especially if it is Thompson.
I'm not saying it's THE answer, but a lot of these seasons are so close that it helps put the season into perspective.Very convenient. But I can see why it needs to be.
I believe you could. The most sobering part of your analysis was the comparison of the relative values of West Coast vs. Texas highly-ranked quarterbacks. This may result from what I remember John McKay, among others, bitching about California football back in the late '60s, to wit: there's just too much for kids to do in that state for them to be truly dedicated to football. I don't imagine things have changed that much in the interim.I can compare the 17-year old version of Card that existed vs. 17-year old Murphy.
Except for that one season is remembered for blowing a conference after starting 11-0 and the other isn't.Ok. I guess. Still wrong. Literally no objective measure favors the '06-'07 regular season over the '10-11 regular season.
I was shocked by the results of the high four-star qbs from Cali. Those guys mostly performed like two stars in college.I believe you could. The most sobering part of your analysis was the comparison of the relative values of West Coast vs. Texas highly-ranked quarterbacks. This may result from what I remember John McKay, among others, bitching about California football back in the late '60s, to wit: there's just too much for kids to do in that state for them to be truly dedicated to football. I don't imagine things have changed that much in the interim.
I blame surfing.I was shocked by the results of the high four-star qbs from Cali. Those guys mostly performed like two stars in college.
Except for that one season is remembered for blowing a conference after starting 11-0 and the other isn't.
No. 5 - A quick history of UT Hoops...
As the Texas men's basketball team put the finishing touches on a perfect 3-0 week on the road, giving the No.15 team (and rising) team in the country its sixth win in its final eight games on the regular season slate and potentially putting in a position to come away with a No.3 or No.4 seed in the looming NCAA Tournament, I thought a little perspective might be needed.
In the the last 57 years of basketball in Austin, the Longhorns have finished a season ranked 15th or better in both polls a total of... four times.
In those same 57 years of basketball in Austin, the Longhorns have been ranked better than a No.4 seed for the NCAA Tournament a total of... four times.
I'm not telling you to you to be happy with Shaka Smart. I'm not telling you that the standards around here have been met. On top of that, we're not yet in a place where the Longhorns have finished in the Top 15 or netted something better than a four-seed. There's work to be done before this season can be truly called a success.
What I would say is that to this point in this season, this has probably been a better year historically for this program than you'd probably give it credit for.
Except for that one season is remembered for blowing a conference after starting 11-0 and the other isn't.
Yeah, I wouldn't say that.
I do hope you’re right and trust Sark’s (and your) judgment. We will find out in time.No one has gone overboard with him.
a. Barnes' best run was pretty incredible and underrated. In the end, his own standards did him in.The 4 times finishing better than 15th in both polls and the 4 times getting higher than a 4 seed didn't just occur over the last 57 years... they occurred during a 6 year stretch of the Rick Barnes era from the '02-'03 season to the '07-'08 season. During that stretch, we went to a Sweet 16, two Elite Eights and a Final Four. We won 13 tournament games for a record of 13-6. We finished 2nd, 2nd, 5th, 1st, 3rd, 1st in conference and had 25+ wins in 5 of the 6 seasons.
Rick showed us what Texas Basketball can be. The funny thing is, I would settle for way way less than what Rick did during that 6 season stretch. Making the tournament more than 50% of the time perhaps? Perhaps a single, solitary tournament win? Perhaps challenging for the conference title just once? In fact, I would absolutely take Rick Barnes's last 5 years at Texas (the ones he got fired for) over Shaka's first 5 seasons at Texas. He had a higher winning percentage (.624), higher conference winning percentage (.545), more NCAA tournament appearances (4) and more NCAA tournament wins (2) if you compare those two 5 year periods.
But to address what I think the point of your post was, be careful not to count your chickens before they hatch. As of your writing last night, Texas was not in the top 15 of both polls (15 in AP and 16 in Coaches). Chances are, they will be today, but they are not yet. Also, a loss to Texas Tech (the team that swept us and whose coach is 8-4 against Shaka) could easily send us right back outside the top 15 in either or both of the polls later this week. Losing to Tech would also likely drop us down to the 4 line... then both of your statements in your post no longer hold up. What if Texas flames out in the first weekend of the tournament? Might want to hold off and let the season play out before we try to compare this Texas team against the best of the Rick Barnes era. If they produce down the stretch, your post will be well taken, but seems pretty risky given Shaka's history in the tournament, save one season over a decade ago. You did hedge your statements, by why make the statements if you have to hedge like that? Why not just wait until we know this team lived up to its billing and its place in Texas basketball history?
I wasn't trying to sell you on anything other than to outline the bar for success for the program historically.Don't care how many times you try to sell me, Shaka sucks.
So, the team climbs to No.3 in the country and has an 11-0 conference start, only to blow the whole thing with three losses in its final five games to the team it beat on the road earlier in the season, and then loses in the second round of the Tournament, but you don't remember that?Honestly, as a person who very well followed that team significantly more than you, I can firmly say I don't remember that team remotely mainly due to that 9 day stretch of games. My guess is you probably didn't either until you starting looking up records. I remembered that team for the epic wins against the Heels and Sparty. I remember that team for the epic win at the Phog. I remember that team for smashing aggy. I remember that team, unfortunately, for getting hosed in the 2nd round. You wish to pick nits to justify making a statement that is not based on any objective data. So again, if you wish to be wrong then go ahead. I got actual facts on my side.
Apparently you failed to read the definition when used as adjective. LOL.
When it comes to arm talent, he is a god.I am biased, bc I played with foles and had to listen to all the highland park kids rave about stafford like he was god.
An 8 is not an insult. Just as an FYI.@Ketchum i am not going to debate where you have Ewers ranked because you have probably watched more film of the other guys and it’s your rankings but your rating of Ewers as an 8 confuses me. I was like you the first time I watched Ewers where I didn’t think anything stood out, you made a comment about lack of arm strength and people roasted you. I went back and watched him again and realized those throws were 40, 50 60+ yards and he makes them look so effortlessly you don’t even notice. As a sophomore in HS he can already throw father than some pros. And this is his “weak point”? To me accuracy is the most important thing in a QB and even you say he is elite. I have not watched near as much film as you over the years but have watched recruiting since around 1988 with I think it was pigskin preview and I do not recall a QB ever making these throws so effortlessly. Gilbert (which you and I missed on) would be a comparison prior to his shoulder issues. Oddly the video of Malik (who I like a lot, trust Sark and everyone’s eyes who has seen him live) is on a rope but the WR catches the ball at his knees and has to go to the ground to finish the catch. Malik reminds me a bit of Ryan Mallet in HS. Has a gun and loads of potential. Malik might be more accurate.
So, the team climbs to No.3 in the country and has an 11-0 conference start, only to blow the whole thing with three losses in its final five games to the team it beat on the road earlier in the season, and then loses in the second round of the Tournament, but you don't remember that?
Especially since end of the season collapses became a very big theme of the program right about this time.
Ok.
In a world where the collateral damage created by events don't matter, you're probably right.
I believe I live in a world where the collateral damage always matters.