Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (Is this the GOAT UT hoops team?)

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He's a three-time first-team All-Pro corner and was the third highest graded CB in the game last year behind Sauce Gardner and Pat Surtain.

It doesn't get much better.

He had his cookies taken by the 49ers Every. Single. Time. Dude is the definition of overrated. All talk.

That umpire needs to be fired yesterday. That's the most Bs call i've ever seen
 

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He had his cookies taken by the 49ers Every. Single. Time. Dude is the definition of overrated. All talk.

Except he's not. Struggling with Deebo doesn't mean that 9 out of 10 times, he's going to win his battle strongly.
 
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How are we defining success?

Tournament success? Kansas State. if we're going back 15 years.

What if we go back to 1996?

It has gone to the Tournament 10 times in 27 years. Texas has gone 23 times.

15 years covers 3 different prior HCs for KSU. You made a big deal about Tang performing some sort of miracle in Manhattan when appreciable recent history shows a pretty solid good level of success. 2 Elite 8s. 2 more Sweet Sixteens. 3 other first round wins. Basically a push with Texas. Building a good program at KSU is not some miraculous task
 

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15 years covers 3 different prior HCs for KSU. You made a big deal about Tang performing some sort of miracle in Manhattan when appreciable recent history shows a pretty solid good level of success. 2 Elite 8s. 2 more Sweet Sixteens. 3 other first round wins. Basically a push with Texas. Building a good program at KSU is not some miraculous task

Tang's No.3 seed is the second highest in program history to go along with the 2010 team that was a No.2 seed and went to the Elite 8.

In year one.

Following a 4-year absence from the Tournament.

I'm not telling you he did a great job. History is.
 

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Tang's No.3 seed is the second highest in program history to go along with the 2010 team that was a No.2 seed and went to the Elite 8.

In year one.

Following a 4-year absence from the Tournament.

I'm not telling you he did a great job. History is.

It was a 3 season absence. Technically 2 but the point stays the same. Have I EVER said he didn’t do a great job? So history isn’t really telling me anything.
 

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It was a 3 season absence. Technically 2 but the point stays the same. Have I EVER said he didn’t do a great job? So history isn’t really telling me anything.

It is. It's telling you that he created the second-best regular season in program history based on seeding.

And it's telling you that while you argue that Kansas State has been at least UT's equal as a program in the last 15 years.

On another note, you're right three seasons.

Bruce Weber, a man that has taken three different tams to the Tournament, two teams to the Sweet 16 and one to the Elite 8, went the following in his last three seasons:

11-21
9-20
14-17

Tang went 23-9 on the fly.

So, yeah, maybe a miracle job.
 

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I've heard about it. ;)
The Wacker team was coached by Abe, undefeated and ranked #1 in the country until he sustained a devasting knee injury in mid-season from which he never fully recovered. Wacker was a stud and I believe that they beat UH during the Olajuwon era before Wacker was injured. Wacker was a native Texan and I believe that he was from San Marcos and played BB there under his dad.

Although the 2002-2004 teams may not have been laced with the NBA-level talent of some later Barnes' teams, they went to the elite 8 twice and final four. Both TJ Ford and Royal Ivy, I believe were members of those teams were members of those teams. Ford ended up a first-round draft choice by the Bucks and would have had a great NBA career but for his injury. Ivy was also a good, but not great, NBA player. I don't recall that any UT team since then has made the elite 8, although there may have been one. But until a team achieves the level of excellence that the 2002-2004 teams did, they are not the greatest IMO.
 

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The Wacker team was coached by Abe, undefeated and ranked #1 in the country until he sustained a devasting knee injury in mid-season from which he never fully recovered. Wacker was a stud and I believe that they beat UH during the Olajuwon era before Wacker was injured. Wacker was a native Texan and I believe that he was from San Marcos and played BB there under his dad.

Although the 2002-2004 teams may not have been laced with the NBA-level talent of some later Barnes' teams, they went to the elite 8 twice and final four. Both TJ Ford and Royal Ivy, I believe were members of those teams were members of those teams. Ford ended up a first-round draft choice by the Bucks and would have had a great NBA career but for his injury. Ivy was also a good, but not great, NBA player. I don't recall that any UT team since then has made the elite 8, although there may have been one. But until a team achieves the level of excellence that the 2002-2004 teams did, they are not the greatest IMO.
The Wacker injury occurred in Waco if I'm not mistaken. I've never seen video of it.
 

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The Wacker injury occurred in Waco if I'm not mistaken. I've never seen video of it.
It may have. I simply don't recall. I only remember listening to the radio broadcast and how severely the commentators described his injury. I also remember that team was never the same after Wacker's injury. They were undefeated at the time and finished the season 16-11. They only won three other games after Wacker's injury.
 
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The Wacker injury occurred in Waco if I'm not mistaken. I've never seen video of it.
Ketch, you are correct. I looked up the 1981-1982 team, which also featured LaSalle Thompson. UT was 13-0 and ranked in the top-five when they played the Bears in the old Heart of Texas Coliseum. I was also correct that the team beat UH (95-83) earlier in the season at Hofeinz Pavilion when the Cougars had Olajuwon, Drexler, Young, Micheaux, Gettys and a few other very good players.
 
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Ketch, you are correct. I looked up the 1981-1982 team, which also featured LaSalle Thompson. UT was 13-0 and ranked in the top-five when they played the Bears in the old Heart of Texas Coliseum. I was also correct that the team beat UH (95-83) earlier in the season at Hofeinz Pavilion when the Cougars had Olajuwon, Drexler, Young, Micheaux, Gettys and a few other very good players.
The Heart of Texas Coliseum was a dump of all dumps.
 

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The Wacker team was coached by Abe, undefeated and ranked #1 in the country until he sustained a devasting knee injury in mid-season from which he never fully recovered. Wacker was a stud and I believe that they beat UH during the Olajuwon era before Wacker was injured. Wacker was a native Texan and I believe that he was from San Marcos and played BB there under his dad.

Although the 2002-2004 teams may not have been laced with the NBA-level talent of some later Barnes' teams, they went to the elite 8 twice and final four. Both TJ Ford and Royal Ivy, I believe were members of those teams were members of those teams. Ford ended up a first-round draft choice by the Bucks and would have had a great NBA career but for his injury. Ivy was also a good, but not great, NBA player. I don't recall that any UT team since then has made the elite 8, although there may have been one. But until a team achieves the level of excellence that the 2002-2004 teams did, they are not the greatest IMO.

That ‘81-‘82 team got as high as #5 that season. Mike Wacker didn’t play for his Dad. His dad was Head FB Coach at SWT. Which is why Mike played at SM HS. The ‘02’-04 teams went to the Sweet 16 twice, not the Elite 8, along with the FF.
Texas made two Elite 8s since. ‘06 with LA, PJ & D-Gib. ‘08 with DJ & James.
 

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OK so I finally went and saw Creed III last night and have some thoughts. First of all, despite the nits I am about to pick, I enjoyed the movie and will definitely watch it again. That being said, there were some major flaws that had me laughing throughout the movie.

1. Let's start with how jacked up the timeline continues to be in this series and how it continually shifts. So we flash back to 2002 when we are supposed to assume Adonis is a young teenager. Apollo died in 1985 which would make him 17 at the youngest. A minor nitpick until we then jump 15 years to 2017 where Creed has then had a full career and retires before Creed II is even made.

We then jump to present day where his daughter is 5-6 years old yet they say he has been retired from boxing for 3 years. It's just a jumbled mess.

2. I know they are moving on from Rocky, but not even a passing mention of him the entire film? Despite all that Creed goes through in the movie, we are supposed to believe that Rocky has just completely vanished from his life? They couldn't even throw in some lame excuse to address why he is suddenly non-existent?

3. They couldn't come up with a better "Heavyweight" champ than Jose Benavidez? We are supposed to believe that a guy that weighs 160 pounds soaking wet is the Heavyweight Champ? And they said his record was like 15-1? How the hell did he become champ?

4. The premise of Dame getting a shot at the title for his 1st professional bout is comical. I know they have to make a movie, but they couldn't get this guy at least a couple of fights to make it remotely plausible for him to get a title shot? "Hey I know this guy hasn't had a single fight at any level for 20 years, but let's give him a shot at the title!"

5. During the title fight with Chavez, he basically fouls the entire fight and gets away with it. He would never be allowed to do what he did in that fight. Oh and his ridiculously long, looping punches were awful. Any decent pro would easily dispatch a guy who throws punches like that.

6. So Dame is now champ with one fight under his belt and suddenly Creed is an underdog. During the ring walk, the announcers say due to Creed's ring rust from 3 years off, Dame could end it quickly. The guy has fought like 2 rounds in 20 years and we are worried about Creed's ring rust?

7. I know they said Dame had "some priors", but he gets 18 years for pointing a gun at someone? Ok

The whole movie is patently absurd, and I will definitely watch it again.
 
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OK so I finally went and saw Creed III last night and have some thoughts. First of all, despite the nits I am about to pick, I enjoyed the movie and will definitely watch it again. That being said, there were some major flaws that had me laughing throughout the movie.

1. Let's start with how jacked up the timeline continues to be in this series and how it continually shifts. So we flash back to 2002 when we are supposed to assume Adonis is a young teenager. Apollo died in 1985 which would make him 17 at the youngest. A minor nitpick until we then jump 15 years to 2017 where Creed has then had a full career and retires before Creed II is even made.

We then jump to present day where his daughter is 5-6 years old yet they say he has been retired from boxing for 3 years. It's just a jumbled mess.

2. I know they are moving on from Rocky, but not even a passing mention of him the entire film? Despite all that Creed goes through in the movie, we are supposed to believe that Rocky has just completely vanished from his life? They couldn't even throw in some lame excuse to address why he is suddenly non-existent?

3. They couldn't come up with a better "Heavyweight" champ than Jose Benavidez? We are supposed to believe that a guy that weighs 160 pounds soaking wet is the Heavyweight Champ? And they said his record was like 15-1? How the hell did he become champ?

4. The premise of Dame getting a shot at the title for his 1st professional bout is comical. I know they have to make a movie, but they couldn't get this guy at least a couple of fights to make it remotely plausible for him to get a title shot? "Hey I know this guy hasn't had a single fight at any level for 20 years, but let's give him a shot at the title!"

5. During the title fight with Chavez, he basically fouls the entire fight and gets away with it. He would never be allowed to do what he did in that fight. Oh and his ridiculously long, looping punches were awful. Any decent pro would easily dispatch a guy who throws punches like that.

6. So Dame is now champ with one fight under his belt and suddenly Creed is an underdog. During the ring walk, the announcers say due to Creed's ring rust from 3 years off, Dame could end it quickly. The guy has fought like 2 rounds in 20 years and we are worried about Creed's ring rust?

7. I know they said Dame had "some priors", but he gets 18 years for pointing a gun at someone? Ok

The whole movie is patently absurd, and I will definitely watch it again.
Try to just enjoy the movie. Geez Louise.
 

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OK so I finally went and saw Creed III last night and have some thoughts. First of all, despite the nits I am about to pick, I enjoyed the movie and will definitely watch it again. That being said, there were some major flaws that had me laughing throughout the movie.

1. Let's start with how jacked up the timeline continues to be in this series and how it continually shifts. So we flash back to 2002 when we are supposed to assume Adonis is a young teenager. Apollo died in 1985 which would make him 17 at the youngest. A minor nitpick until we then jump 15 years to 2017 where Creed has then had a full career and retires before Creed II is even made.

We then jump to present day where his daughter is 5-6 years old yet they say he has been retired from boxing for 3 years. It's just a jumbled mess.

2. I know they are moving on from Rocky, but not even a passing mention of him the entire film? Despite all that Creed goes through in the movie, we are supposed to believe that Rocky has just completely vanished from his life? They couldn't even throw in some lame excuse to address why he is suddenly non-existent?

3. They couldn't come up with a better "Heavyweight" champ than Jose Benavidez? We are supposed to believe that a guy that weighs 160 pounds soaking wet is the Heavyweight Champ? And they said his record was like 15-1? How the hell did he become champ?

4. The premise of Dame getting a shot at the title for his 1st professional bout is comical. I know they have to make a movie, but they couldn't get this guy at least a couple of fights to make it remotely plausible for him to get a title shot? "Hey I know this guy hasn't had a single fight at any level for 20 years, but let's give him a shot at the title!"

5. During the title fight with Chavez, he basically fouls the entire fight and gets away with it. He would never be allowed to do what he did in that fight. Oh and his ridiculously long, looping punches were awful. Any decent pro would easily dispatch a guy who throws punches like that.

6. So Dame is now champ with one fight under his belt and suddenly Creed is an underdog. During the ring walk, the announcers say due to Creed's ring rust from 3 years off, Dame could end it quickly. The guy has fought like 2 rounds in 20 years and we are worried about Creed's ring rust?

7. I know they said Dame had "some priors", but he gets 18 years for pointing a gun at someone? Ok

The whole movie is patently absurd, and I will definitely watch it again.
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It's getting right up there for sure