It has been for them.Well then that’s just life isn’t it?
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It has been for them.Well then that’s just life isn’t it?
I think you are probably correct about attendance and then prices falling. Every reply from players I saw on twitter to someone who complained about losing the song was "good riddance".Are you no longer supporting the university or the team over this issue? Are you refusing to show up and support the program if the eyes of texas isn't played anymore? If so, I find that attitude childish.
And it will no longer cost $6400 for club seats if everyone like you decides to walk away for good. Simple supply demand price curve economics. So when I say I'll gladly take your seats, I'll take them at a heavy discount when you and all your BMD buddies decide to boycott the program over this issue.
Why haven't you mentioned, in any of your posts, that The Eyes of Texas holds NO current racist meaning? I wonder, if maybe, furthering the idea that it MAY have, over a hundred years ago promotes a certain political agenda.Why didn't you mention the words minstrel show at any point in your post?
C'mon now, he's laser focused on something, don't confuse him.Because it is a red herring.
Do you realize that almost every song written prior to the mid 20th century was probably sung at a minstrel show? That doesn't make mistrel shows less racist, but it does mitigate the fact that anything performed at a minstrel show is inherently racist.
The fact is debuted in that manner doesn't make it racist.
Is the National Anthem racist?
Is God Bless American racist?
Is Rock a Bye Baby racist?
Is California, Here I Come racist?
All of those songs were sung for decades by Al Jolson, who primarily performed in blackface.
I'm not very pleased by what I've read about his role in this. He should by all means not shy from teaching about the race issues and the history of that, but he seems to have a particular zeal for shining a spotlight on his employer, UT, and I'm dubious as to whether he's teaching these things in an appropriate context.all the evidence points to Dr. Moore as the guilty party. The university needs to investigate his role in all of this.
"this state didn't even vote for" WTF?man, if all UT has to claim is the piggybacking of an elected official that this state didn't even vote for.... hoo-boy.
As expected. Your documentation doesn't promote the agenda.I've provided you documentation that The Eyes of Texas did not originate from a minstrel show performance. It both predated and post-dated that single performance. You know, if you read what I provided you, that the song was not and has never been racist.
I asked you specifically if you read the information I provided you. You didn't answer the question. You provided a vague dodge implication of guilt by proximity.
Oh geeze....what are some other songs FIRST performed at minstrel shows?
I ask because I surely don't know.
I suggest you read this: HISTORY OF STUDENT ACTIVISM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN (1960-1988). See if you can find any mention of the Eye's being racist.
As a student during the late 60s and friend of Ernie Haywood, there was never a mention about the Eye's being racist. Read the history of the fight against racism in the 60s on the UT campus and in the City of Austin. That was where the battle was. Segregation in housing, restaurants, bars, transportation, etc.. We made progress and won.
Now we have some babies crying about a song? Give me a fkn break.
Absolutely. As is their right. It's a tenuous connection to the people who fought to keep slavery (make no mistake, that's what the War of Northern Aggression was truly about; the planters used the 'state's rights' horse hockey to get the dirt farmers to go die for them), but it's not worth fighting over, imo.(Yes, i was part of the last generation raised on the Nobility in Defeat hocum...and, dern it, I'd still run through a brick wall for Gen. Lee! But I'm over the other horseshite) let the SEC schools (who do have REAL connections to the confederacy) burn. If we fight against this, aggie, bama et al will be all over prospects about how 'racist' we are.Band may not play it, but it will be sung by many. Count on it.
I’d feel more sympathy for your plight this weekend if a good number of your responses didn’t seem more trite and pot stirring then any else.
Probably just your delivery.
Texas fight at the end? Hard pass. Seems like a great tune to sing after a loss... Might as well just make the new song Don’t Stop Believing. I predict a ton of empty seats at the end. How many people stayed till the end as an obligation to sing the Eyes?
If you left out "paid thugs" would you be happier with the comparison?This man speaks the truth, Level 1. To compare these naive kids and paid thugs to MLK and the civil rights movement is asinine ignorance. These self-labeled “protesters“ are apparently unaware who is funding all this BS. They are but pawns in a bigger game.
It’s an election year, thus especially important for everyone to follow the money and check “sources”, something I doubt many folks are doing. There will be another so-called crisis soon enough, then an election, then likely 4 more years of whining. SMH
That's a rather shallow take on things.Texas has not won one football game because fans stay after the game to sing. It requires players. The song is going to go. Just get over it.
Because I don't get to define what is racist and what isn't to black people. They are telling us what they feel.Why haven't you mentioned, in any of your posts, that The Eyes of Texas holds NO current racist meaning? I wonder, if maybe, furthering the idea that it MAY have, over a hundred years ago promotes a certain political agenda.
If that is the prevalent thought, then it says a lot about them just wanting a dialogue. That said, they better win.I think you are probably correct about attendance and then prices falling. Every reply from players I saw on twitter to someone who complained about losing the song was "good riddance".
Never said it was going to stay, that ship has sailed. By your logic, Texas has not won a game due to alot of things. like attendance, most cheering, etc.Texas has not won one football game because fans stay after the game to sing. It requires players. The song is going to go. Just get over it.
And we are trying to tell them what we feel. People who have no racist inclinations do not deserve to be told something they value is racist. This is a two way street.Because I don't get to define what is racist and what isn't to black people. They are telling us what they feel.
The people who say they have no racist inclinations often couldn't see the inclinations if it was right in their face.And we are trying to tell them what we feel. People who have no racist inclinations do not deserve to be told something they value is racist. This is a two way street.
I’d rather keep The Eyes and dismiss the entire football team, coaching staff and AD.
The people who say they have no racist inclinations often couldn't see the inclinations if it was right in their face.
Stupid isn't the word I would use.ketch, cmon man. You’re effectively saying many white folks are too stupid to even know they’re racist. That’s a bit over the line.
The simple fact is that the lyrics of the song have nothing to do with race. You can admit that and still support the fact that blacks may feel racial undertones because of the song’s origin in the minstrel show.
Yeah I don't know about all that.The people who say they have no racist inclinations often couldn't see the inclinations if it was right in their face.
You not knowing they had a problem with it is evidence of what? White people not being able to see their own racism?Stupid isn't the word I would use.
But, I literally didn't know that black people had a problem with the song until last week.
Everyone's case is different, but we're not collectively seeing things.
Then so are a lot of deep pocketed fans.Texas has not won one football game because fans stay after the game to sing. It requires players. The song is going to go. Just get over it.
LolYou not knowing they had a problem with it is evidence of what? White people not being able to see their own racism?
Nor has Geoff or any of us. Guess i will search netflix tonightDo you realise that I have never even seen a minstrel show? I was born in 1977.
Again, you are taking the stance, on this issue, that culture and people cannot evolve over time. On other issues, you rightly point out that those things can and do evolve. The meaning of this song has been unrelated to race for something like 8 decades before I was born.
Now you are telling me the song as racial undertones, that the meaning of the song is something other than pride and love for UT. But that's not what the song means to me. It's not what the meaning has been for over 100 years.
What matters more: that the song's current day meaning (for over 100 years) is something pure, and positive, and inclusive. Or that 117 years ago that might not have been the case?
Have they even brought it up before the demand? Maybe a discussion would have been effective but at least as far as I’m aware, a discussion or request never happened.The non-demand approach is currently seen as one that has been highly ineffective.