Donnie, your dickholes comment made my night. Thanks, brother.
Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Talking Buechele, Carrington, Shaka and more...)
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I always love it when non-Medical people claim to be non-Medical but try to use medical anecdotal evidence comparing other injuries. Just say you thought that time frame was short and wonder if it speaks to the injury not some conspiracy.
"Longhorn sophomore QB Shane Buechele will undergo surgery on a torn adductor (hip)/abdominal muscle he sustained in the Texas Bowl. The surgery is scheduled for tomorrow (Thursday, Jan. 18), he will begin treatments and rehabilitation soon after and he is expected to be ready to return in time for spring practice, which begins on Monday, March 5."
Texas Press Release on January 17
I am not a doctor and I sure as hell don't play one on TV.
Or the Internet for that matter.
I'm just a regular human that hopes he can apply common sense to as many situations as I possibly can. When I read this statement in my in-box on Wednesday, the common sense siren in my head started to blare for all of the wrong reasons.
Buechele had surgery on a torn adductor (hip)/abdominal muscle on Thursday and hopes to return to football activities in six weeks?
Why was my BS meter going off?
Well, as I've stated, I'm no expert on the subject, but a six-week timeline simply doesn't meet the timeline of most of the torn adductor (hip)/abdominal muscle surgeries that I've seen in the sports world in recent memory. For instance, UFC fighter Daniel Cormier was out of action for several months last year after undergoing the same surgery. Tim Howard was also sidelined several months last year when he suffered the injury in November of 2016.
Yet, while my memory was correct about similar injuries needing more than six weeks of recovery time, it turns out that my BS meter was wrong because a little homework on the matter revealed that if the press release statement might have leaned towards the most aggressive of recovery times, it isn't at all out of the question.
I came across a story on NOLA.com detailing the a torn adductor (hip) surgery that ex-Longhorn Kenny Vaccaro underwent last month and came across the following info from the Washington Orthopedics & Sports Medicine.
"Surgery for (adductor muscle strains) is rarely necessary.
"Avulsion injuries, in which the tendon is pulled away with its bony attachment, may require operative reattachment. Some cases of complete muscle tendon tears may require surgery. Repair involves an open incision over the site of injury and reattachment of the tendon origin, or suture repair of torn soft tissue. Surgery is also necessary in patients with chronic pain whose symptoms do not respond to conservative treatment.
From the same article, Charles W. Thomas (a General Surgeon with Southern Surgical Specialists in New Orleans) reported that, "Without operative intervention, up to three months of conservative treatment. After a procedure for a true sports hernia, anywhere from 3-6 weeks for recovery time."
After taking all of the information available on the subject, it seems like it's an injury that usually takes between 4-8 weeks to recover from before the rehab process really picks up. It's impossible to predict where Buechele's own recovery time will be, but it's reasonable to think that he will be coming out of the rehab process at the six-week mark and will be somewhat limited at the start of spring drills.
If Buechele is limited, an already very interesting Texas quarterback situation in the spring will become outright fascinating because it would then open the door for true freshmen Cameron Rising and Casey Thompson to receive reps with the second-team offense that they otherwise wouldn't get if Buechele is 100-percent healthy.
A healthy Buechele will likely share first- and second-team reps with Sam Ehlinger, but if he's limited at the start of camp and can't participate without limitations, Ehlinger would likely take all of the first-teams reps while Buechele is limited, while the freshmen would take the rest of the snaps.
For Rising and Thompson, this would be a huge opportunity to make an instant impression on a coaching staff begging for someone to make one. Typically, incoming freshmen are limited to scout team work throughout their first seasons in college and reps at the expense of older players with the first- or second-team offenses are limited.
Given the need for this program to get much better quarterback play, I'd bet on either Rising or Thompson or both getting an extended look, and thus receiving more second-team reps if they can show just a little that it is warranted.
Without making a mountain out of a molehill, I'm merely pointing out that the first week of camp will be headlined by the events at the quarterback position.
Oh, and in the process, most of us learned a little about the adductor surgery rehab process.
No. 2 – The value of Bryan Carrington ...
As the legend of Bryan Carrington has exploded into orbit over the last few weeks, especially since he took to the road this week with much fanfare as the interim 10th assistant coach, two things occurred to me.
a. Most Longhorns fans likely don't have any idea what he does when he's not acting 10th assistant coach.
b. Most Longhorns fans likely don't have any idea what kind of value he brings to the table on a per dollar basis.
Let's start with his current job - assistant director of athletics. As Jason Suchomel outlined earlier this week, Carrington is a do-everything-monster behind the scenes in recruiting. While most non-coaching staff members have a limited impact on the day-in and day-out success in recruiting based on the fact that everything they do is restricted to work from the office, Carrington has proven to be a critical piece of Tom Herman's recruiting puzzle. His ability to relate to the athletes Texas is recruiting allowed him to become a weapon this past week when he was released into the recruiting wild as the temporary 10th assistant coach.
You can make a case that Carrington is one of the five most important people in the entire program. Certainly top 10.
So, guess what I found out when did I little investigative work using the salaries database over at TexasTribune.com?
The median salary of the five assistant directors at Texas is $52,500 per year. Carrington makes a mere $35,805 per year, which ranks fourth among those that are listed with the same job title within the athletic department.
In an athletic department that broke $215 million in revenue last year, but had nearly that much money in expenses, Carrington’s return on investment has to be at the top of a short pile.
The Nick Sabans of the college football world, who are constantly looking to add more nuclear recruiting weapons to their already robust nuclear recruiting weapons artillery, will surely come calling at some point.
Texas needs to take every measure possible to make sure Carrington is a foundation piece for Herman's program.
Translation?
No. 3 – Speaking of numbers I found interesting ...
According to the database on TexasTribune.com, here is what Tom Herman's staff earned in 2017.
* $767,950 (Todd Orlando)
* $511,703 (Tim Beck)
* $350,509 (Craig Naivar)
* $296,933 (Oscar Giles)
* $296,933 (Derek Warehime)
* $294,715 (Stan Drayton)
* $245,984 (Drew Mehringer)
* $220,796 (Corby Meekins)
* $209,376 (Jason Washington)
My biggest takeaway?
As Tom Herman's recruiting coordinator and one of his best position coaches, Jason Washington is vastly underpaid.
No. 4 - A name to file away ...
On paper, this guy definitely feels like an improvement over the returning players. Make a call, Tom.
No. 5 – U-G-L-Y, you ain't got no alibi, you ugly ...
You could see the butt-kicking that Texas took from West Virginia on Saturday coming from a mile away.
The Mountaineers, a legit Final Four-level team, were riding a two-game losing streak and were desperate to save their Big 12 title hopes, while the Longhorns were coming off of one of the best performances of the Shaka Smart era. Anyone with a brain could see that Texas was unlikely to win in Morgantown BEFORE these dynamics were added to the match-up, but once the events from the last week unfolded the way they did, you couldn't help having the sense that Texas was hopeless entering the game.
My expectations for Texas was a double-digit loss.
My expectations for Texas was not one of the worst regular-season losses in the history of the school.
Considering the level of disgust by a large segment of the Texas fan base surrounding the Texas basketball program, and specifically Shaka Smart, it was the wrong time for an old fashioned mollywhopping, but an old fashioned mollywhopping the Longhorns received. Texas fans have every right to be angry today about the result from Saturday. You don't have to shut up when such a result takes place.
Yet, Smart and his team need to shake it off because Monday night's home game against Iowa State is the more important worry. As I wrote a week ago, it is imperative that Texas win two out of three in a three-game stretch that includes Texas Tech, West Virginia and Iowa State. As bad as Saturday afternoon was, the bottom line with this season and this team's needs didn't change. If the Longhorns beat the Cyclones, they will have accomplished what they needed to over an eight-day stretch.
A win on Monday will leave the team with an overall 13-7 record and a 4-4 mark in Big 12 play. While a 13-7 record isn't the goal of the program, it's far from a disaster.
The bottom line for this year's team is that it needs to qualify for the NCAA Tournament. That's the minimum level of success in any season for the Texas program. Once there, it can try to change a few narratives with a couple of wins. Is that likely? Probably not. Is it outside the realm of possibilities? Certainly not.
No. 6 – The elephant in the room ...
In the aftermath of my writing that angry rant about the men's basketball team in the middle of one of its best performances of the season (and just hours after it was announced that Andrew Jones had been diagnosed with leukemia), it seems many of you have struggled to get beyond the two most memorable words from the column to the point that you can't wrap your mind around the actual message that was issued.
Clearly, this is my fault, as a good carpenter never blames his tools.
Therefore, let me circle back and reiterate my bigger picture thoughts in an effort to become as close to 100-percent clear as possible.
Ready?
1. Shaka Smart's overall body of work through two-plus seasons isn't remotely good enough. Period.
2. Last season wasn't poor, it was a disaster.
3. Shaka Smart isn't going to lose his job this year, especially if he gets this team into the Tournament.
4. Even if he makes the Tournament this year, there will be significant and deserved pressure to deliver more in year four.
5. If that doesn't happen and some serious steps forward aren't made, he's not likely going to make it in Austin much longer.
If those thoughts are believed to have been penned from Crazy-town, so be it, but if you're going to label me a citizen of Crazy-town, at least get my Crazy-town thoughts correct, instead of making assertions from Silly-town.
No. 7 – Buy or Sell …
BUY or SELL: The 2018 Texas recruiting class finishes in the top four?
(Buy) Using the Rivals rankings, I'm going to say yes, but it's going to be close.
BUY or SELL: Texas signs a grad transfer QB?
(Sell) I think it's certainly possible, but with four quarterbacks on the roster, including two players with starting experience fighting for the job, I'm going to suggest that the smart money is on Texas not adding a quarterback.
BUY or SELL: Herb Hand is the next Greg Robinson? Among other reasons, he's there if it goes full Manny this season.
(Sell) I feel you, but I really believe Tom Herman is going to direct the offense this season in a way that is different than last season. I doubt he'll be involved in every play called, but I think he will be in control.
BUY or SELL: The Texas 2018 starting offensive line has three starters on it that are not currently on campus?
(Sell) I have the over/under at 1.5 and not 2.5.
BUY or SELL: Derek Warehime is demoted after NSD2 and a new coach is hired in his place?
(Sell) Until I hear something different from sources we trust, I believe that the 2018 coaching staff is in place. Our sources just aren't indicating that a major move is set to take place in the coming weeks or months.
BUY or SELL: The Aggies made a huge mistake thinking a guy named Jimbo and elderly Brewster will be able to successfully recruit against the Herman-machine?
(Sell) I'm going to wait and see how things go in the spring before grabbing the shovel to dig graves for these old-timers. That being said, I know where my shovel is. A good boy scout is always prepared.
BUY or SELL: If we land grad-transfer OL Calvin Anderson, your season win total prediction for next year goes up one game?
(Sell) Connor Williams might have been worth a win, but I think Anderson serves as a piece of a bigger puzzle.
BUY or SELL: After watching yesterday's basketball game vs. West Virginia, your unequivocal support for Shaka Smart is now equivocal?
(Sell) If anyone needs remaining:
unequivocal
[uhn-i-kwiv-uh-kuh l]
adjective
1.
not equivocal; unambiguous; clear; having only one possible meaning or interpretation:
an unequivocal indication of assent; unequivocal proof.
2.
absolute; unqualified; not subject to conditions or exceptions:
The cosigner of a note gives unequivocal assurance that it will be paid when due.
BUY or SELL: Texas makes the NCAA tournament?
(Buy) I'm going to give this team wins at home against Iowa State, Ole Miss, Kansas State, Baylor and Oklahoma State, which gets it to 17 wins. I think this team is capable of beating Oklahoma at home, Texas Tech in Lubbock, TCU if Fort Worth and Kansas State in Manhattan. Don't ask me why because it's nothing more than a hunch, but I think Texas will win one of these games in that group of three, which would get the team to 18 wins and likely get this team in. The wiggle room is slight, though.
No. 8 – Eternal Randomness of the Spotty Sports Mind …
... Go Patriots. Go Tom Brady. The heart and soul of every Dallas Cowboys fan is behind you for the next two weeks.
... Doug Pederson is 100X the coach that Jason Garrett wishes he was. Can you imagine Garrett making it work with Nick Foles? Yeah, me neither.
... For those of you that believe Tom Herman shouldn't call plays because Bill Belichick doesn't call plays, just know that Pederson calls the offensive plays for the Eagles and Mike Zimmer calls the defensive plays for the Vikings.
... I saw Nick Foles play in high school in person at least a half-dozen times. In a million years, I never thought he'd lead a team to a Super Bowl. Never. Props to the guy. He was sensational against the Vikings. Hell, better than sensational.
... My guess is that Rob Gronkowski had to be protected from himself once he was officially diagnosed with a concussion. I'd bet a hundy that if it had been up to him, he'd have gone back into the game.
... James Harrison is going to the Super Bowl as a Patriot.
... I had Danny Amendola as a state top-100 prospect back in 2004, but I think his only power five offer was from Texas Tech, which means that everyone outside of Mike Leach totally whiffed on this Patriots legend.
... I need the NBA to give me a seven-game series between the Warriors and the Rockets. Saturday night was fun.
... If the NBA season ended today, we'd get a LeBron James/Joel Embiid showdown in the first round. Yes, please.
... I'm still trying to process the Roy Halladay autopsy report. Morphine?
... Stipe Miocic is the truth, whether the UFC loves him as its heavyweight champion or not. He's the guy I always thought Cain Velasquez was going to be. Speaking of Velasquez, if he can get healthy, he's basically the only guy in the heavyweight division that Miocic hasn't taken care of. Velasquez just has to prove that he can get there.
... Someone call the Spanish authorities. I'm pretty sure Real Madrid committed a felony thus weekend against Deportivo La Coruña.
... Look, I think Alexis Sanchez is a wonderful player, but I'm not taking Anthony Martial off the pitch. Period.
... I want Sergej Milinković-Savić playing with Liverpool next season, much more so than Lemar. Put me on the record right now.
... Gareth Bale looked like the authentic Gareth Bale this weekend. man, that Real Madrid/PSG showdown in the Champions League is all kinds of fascinating and I have no idea which way it's going to go.
No. 9 – Updated Oscar rankings …
My biggest take away from watching "I, Tonya" over the weekend?
Tonya Harding never had a chance.
I found myself feeling shame for all of my previous thoughts about Harding after absorbing how much physical and mental abuse she had suffered throughout her entire life, while coupled with a severe lack of education or steady support system around her. I'm not excusing all of her behavior by any means, but it's much easier to understand how we got to the places we've been to with her once you understand where she came from.
With the full context of her background, it was hard not to feel sympathy for her throughout the movie. She was an imperfect person from super-imperfect conditions and it's an American success story that she even climbed the ladders that she climbed. Yet, her fall from the top into the depths of despair could be seen from 100 miles away in retrospect.
I found myself leaving the theater hoping that she could just be happy inside her own skin and live a fulfilling life outside of everything she's ever known in the opening chapters of her life.
My updated Oscars rankings.
(Still need to see: All the Money in the World, Call Me By Your Name, The Florida Project, Phantom Thread, The Post and Roman J. Israel, Esq)
Best Picture
1. Lady Bird
2. The Shape of Water
3. Darkest Hour
4. I, Tonya
5. Get Out
6. The Disaster Artist
7. Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri
8. Dunkirk
9. The Big Sick
10. Molly's Game
Best Actor
1. Gary Oldman (Darkest Hour)
2. James Franco (The Disaster Artist)
3. Daniel Kaluuya (Get Out)
4. Adam Driver (The Last Jedi)
5. Jeremy Renner (Wind River)
Best Actress
1. Sally Hawkins (The Shape of Water)
2. Saoirse Ronan (Lady Bird)
3. Frances McDormand (Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri)
4. Margot Robbie (I, Tonya)
5. Jessica Chastain (Molly's Game)
Best Supporting Actor
1. Michael Shannon (The Shape of Water)
2. Sam Rockwell (Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri)
3. Richard Jenkins (The Shape of Water)
4. Jason Mitchell (Mudbound)
5. Rob Morgan (Mudbound)
Best Supporting Actress
1. Laurie Metcalf (Lady Bird)
2. Allison Janney (I,Tonya)
3. Holly Hunter (The Big Sick)
4. Carey Mulligan (Mudbound)
5. Kristin Scott Thomas (Darkest Hour)
Best Director
1. The Shape of Water (Guillermo del Toro)
2. Greta Gerwig (Lady Bird)
3. Jordan Peele (Get Out)
4. Christopher Nolan (Dunkirk)
5. Denis Villeneuve (Blade Runner 2049)
No. 10 – And Finally …
Don't turn away from this story. Educate yourself. Ask questions. Don't be afraid to think answers need to be demanded.
I thought he was a rock star in The Last Jedi. Completely carried the movie at times.
I have liked many of your posts. When you lay off the SJW stuff you write pretty well.
I've expressed myself reasonably well, but when someone disagrees strongly with you, they get mainly arrogance and sarcasm. That makes what you write on a personal basis meaningless. Been that way for awhile. This will likely draw a worthless comment.
In that sense you are the worst Mod of any of the 3 I have tried. You can be quite the bully on rather low key statements. But like I have said, it's worth it here for Dustin and Such alone.
I've been skipping anything that sounds like SJW stuff...just gotten so tiresome. I will try and do better on that end.
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You've been incredibly rude. This is the first time in this thread you've been reasonable. Thank you for getting there.
well, I was rude back, so let he who has sinned stop throwing stones. Or something like that.Disagree, but
Ketch,
i dont think those salaries you posted are correct. those are what were earned in the previous fiscal year, not their yearly salary. based on articles about approved coach salaries they are definitely less for the assistants. glancing through the database at some of the off-field personnel, i doubt that some of them are making less than they made at U of H. Point remains, that Carrington should probably be making more, but those numbers posted are not the full amount.
i dont think those salaries you posted are correct. those are what were earned in the previous fiscal year, not their yearly salary. based on articles about approved coach salaries they are definitely less for the assistants. glancing through the database at some of the off-field personnel, i doubt that some of them are making less than they made at U of H. Point remains, that Carrington should probably be making more, but those numbers posted are not the full amount.
These coaches have only worked at Texas for one fiscal year. I think if you factor in max bonus possibilities, the numbers are higher, but this is what it looks like without those max them.
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they have not worked at Texas for an entire fiscal year which runs September-August. here are what the regents approved http://www.hookem.com/story/texas-regents-approve-school-record-breaking-contract-todd-orlando/
Looks like the cage battle has ended. Seems safe for my thoughts.
- I am not sure how long it will take Buechele to recover, but if he cannot fully participate in spring practice, he may never regain the No. 1 position.
- Carrington is paid lower than Chang. A bump in pay and title is in order.
- Herman should definitely entertain the grad transfer QB market. It has been years since there has been a good veteran QB in that room.
- Joe Wickline (2015), Matt Mattox (2016), Corby Meekins (2017) and now Herb Hand. There needs to be stability in that room.
- Nick Foles was pretty amazing during the 2013 season, but fell off. He might end up being the Super Bowl MVP if Philly wins.
- I am not sure how long it will take Buechele to recover, but if he cannot fully participate in spring practice, he may never regain the No. 1 position.
- Carrington is paid lower than Chang. A bump in pay and title is in order.
- Herman should definitely entertain the grad transfer QB market. It has been years since there has been a good veteran QB in that room.
- Joe Wickline (2015), Matt Mattox (2016), Corby Meekins (2017) and now Herb Hand. There needs to be stability in that room.
- Nick Foles was pretty amazing during the 2013 season, but fell off. He might end up being the Super Bowl MVP if Philly wins.
I'm not sure what the answer is, but those totals aren't from September-December because Orlando didn't make nearly $1.5 million or more last season.
Is it possible those are the take home numbers after taxes?
my guess is that it is a reflection of when they were hired through August. so roughly nine months? not disputing your point that Carrington should be paid more, even if this is only nine months
a. I wonder if Buechele's ship has already sailed.
b. Carrington makes about 10X less than Derek Warehime.
c. Agreed on the grad transfer, I'm just not sure how appealing the depth chart will look to grad transfers. It's not a lay-up for anyone coming in.
d. Foles blows my mind.
It's a parenting issue IMO. That's not to say there aren't other factors that can't come into play. But, 99.9% of people are where they are in life b/c of the skills they have and the skills they lack. You think Joe Poverty is where he is b/c he lacks money? No, he is where he is b/c he lacks monetizable skills. He lacks discipline (often, but not always). He lacks keen decision making. He's foolish with his money. He is poor in critical thinking & problem solving skills. These are all things we absorb from our parents. My parents are both CPAs & investment advisers.........and guess what my sister & I are both amazing at: money management, investing, etc. It's easy to say, "well, you make a good paycheck every year, so money management is easy." But, even when I was married and we made a combined $19k/yr, we still had money & no debt.
Why do kids who have overweight parents overwhelmingly end up overweight themselves? B/c they learned the skills (or lack there of) that made their parents overweight. Why do kids of parents who are bad with money, or bad with relationships, or who abuse alcohol/drugs end up with the same issues? Why are my sister & I entrepreneurs, after being born to parents who are entrepreneurs, both of whose parents (my grandparents) were also entrepreneurs? Why are the children of Nigerian immigrants overwhelmingly successful, while the children of other immigrant groups far less successful? It's not a money issue, b/c Nigerians aren't rolling in dough (princess not withstanding). It's b/c Nigerians overwhelmingly move to the US & UK for educational opportunities. They push academics like crazy, and thus, their kids end up as doctors, engineers, scientists, etc (and I can attest to this, b/c I am entrenched in the Nigerian communities in Houston, DC, and London, as well as Lagos).
Point is, we learn from our parents the skills that made them successful & the skills that made them unsuccessful........in careers, in relationships, with money, with education, etc. As I've aged, I have been amazed at how much of my mom & dad I've absorbed, even when I swore I wouldn't be like them in certain areas. It's unavoidable. Your parents are the single biggest determining factor in where you'll end up socioeconomically. People like to point to poverty & schools, but I grew up in one of the poorest counties in Texas. Less than 10% of my graduating class went to a 4 year college after graduating. The only difference between me and my friends is my parents were (1st generation) college educated, and they expected & demanded excellence in school. Getting good grades was never a discussion. Going to college was never a discussion. As such, I got good grades, with to Texas, and worked by butt off to achieve (even though my country education did not adequately prepare me for McCombs).
With zero exceptions, every single friend who had parents that didn't emphasize education is poor & working blue collar jobs today (or dead or in jail). On the flip side, almost every friend whose parents emphasized education is now successful. My friends that had really awesome parents are overwhelmingly happily married (and never divorced). My friends who had dysfunctional home lives have almost all be divorced multiple times, been arrested for domestic violence, etc. What's the difference? Parenting. If you're blessed with parents who love you, nurture you, set a great example, make you a priority, emphasis education, push you to set hard to reach goals, etc.........you're going to achieve great things in life. If you get parents who are dysfunctional (i.e. marriage issues, drugs, violence, abandonment), set poor examples, don't value education, don't push you to achieve, etc..........no amount of money is going to make you successful in life, b/c success is a function of skills, not money. Money can't buy you a good marriage, it can't make you an amazing parent, it can't make you great with money, it can't make you successful in your career, won't give you class, manners, or decorum. You get that from your parents. And if you're doubly blessed, you'll get some of that from teachers & coaches as well.
I'll end it with this............
If we took every dime in the United States and divided it up evenly amongst adults, in 10 years, the rich would be back to being rich and the poor would be back to being poor. Why? B/c the rich (generally speaking) have a greater skill set for critical thinking & problem solving, better discipline, more ambition, are better able to balance risk vs reward, aren't foolish with their money, are better at managing opportunity costs, etc. Heck, 95% of people have no clue what an opportunity cost even is. There's a reason the vast majority of poor & working class people who win the lottery end up broke in 5-10 years............b/c their issue isn't a lack of money, it's a lack of skills........and the vast majority of those life skills (not to be confused with work skills) are learned from parents.
Good point about the grad transfers. Still can't believe Brandon Harris and Malik Zaire didn't come here. They had to be kicking themselves.
Carrington is arguably doing more recruiting wise than some staff members, which is crazy.
Lake, this is a much more complicated set of issues than assigning one area the majority of the blame. It's systematic and repetitive in a lot of cases from one generation to the next.
Egeisler,
I was okay with your response. And as a general rule, I very try to be non-judgmental and I also know there is always a lot more to the story that what we see/hear. So I agree with your basic philosophy. And yes, there may well be something in his childhood that we can learn to try to reduce how many monster we as a society create. But I did react a little you your statement about not judging him because, in fact, he has been judged in court. And watching all those young girls testify at the punishment phase of his trial is truly heartbreaking. I am totally okay with any judgment any one wants to throw at this guy. Incidentally, I raised two girls who were pretty good in gymnastics themselves.
I think you may have confused my post with others'. I didn't talk about judging Nasser(I don't believe). Society can "judge" him with penalties under our laws since the evidence is overwhelming. Otherwise, only God can judge him. However, I want him to receive the max punishment. He is a monster! My point is we need to analyze why people become these types of monsters so we can somehow limit them in our society. We need to know what makes them do this (childhood abuse, or whatever) and be able to recognize the "symptoms" so that we can identify potential horrible acts before they happen. That being said, the people who turned a blind eye to the reports (MSU or Olympic program or Baylor) need to get the maximum punishment too. I just can't understand how a person can become aware of these his actions and not immediately do whatever they possibly can to stop them. It would be hard for me not to physically destroy that beast if I was in that position. The problem is, that would "end" him but it wouldn't solve the overall problem in our society. People like Nasser are mentally ill (in the broadest term, in my opinion, just like other psychopaths) and we need to stop them at all costs, not just punish them after the fact. I don't feel sympathy for him (even though I might feel some for Harding) I just want to understand why he and others do such heinous acts. As far as those who were in a position to stop him, they should be sued and prosecuted in my opinion. There should be laws that punish people who are in a position of authority and don't report. e.g. Baylor and MSU admin should get the book thrown at them. hope I made my point more clear.
