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Ketch's 10 Thoughts From The Weekend (The Modern Scholarship Reform Act)

Originally posted by thebigbopper:

I think the NCAA needs to do something, certainly. It would, however, be hilarious if the University Presidents banded together and decided to no longer offer scholarships. If you play, it's voluntary, and it's on your own dime. I wonder how many of these athletes would decide maybe the scholarship is worth something. The value of the scholarship is lost on too many of you guys who say pay players. My son has a scholly, it's worth about $100,000. I ain't complaining, and neither is he.
So, no more scholarship players... no more billions. How do you think that will go for the university presidents?

The entire prism through which you are viewing this is twisted.

The value of a scholarship is not really in question. Improving and changing a system that takes advantage of its work force in just about every way possible is.

Also, you know you and your son's feelings about $100,000 is completely moot in this conversation. Your son doesn't have a skill that contributes to a billion dollar industry. You understand that your own feelings about your own personal situation should have zero impact on this discussion?
 
Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by SnakeEarl:
There is tremendous value proposition here whereby both parties can win.

If they don't figure it out, it's because they are stupid or blinded by their greed.

Here's to the players getting all they deserve. Would seem that scholarship numbers will be dropping to 60 very soon. Then we will see 5 stars walking on with endorsement deals that pay their way. Surely some will be "beauty pageanted" in their early teens, will move from market to market looking for the right deal....the deals that will be struck!

The unintended consequences will be fascinating to watch.

NCAA should just change its name to "pimping our youth".
Give me a break. The money we're talking about is a drop in the pan compared to the revenue coming in.

The value of some smaller schools being unable to keep up is not the responsibility of the athletes. It's not their responsibility to carry everyone as they have.
Wow...so are you suggesting that it's the players that have been carry the system and bringing in the revenue? Wasn't aware that Johnny Football and Vince were the ones making the TV deals, building the stadiums, marketing the University. Guess we should have hired them to take over for Deloss instead of Patterson. Clearly the AD and Administrations are nothing without these star players.


Originally posted by manimalRox:
Originally posted by FrancoBevo
The NCAA need to hold their ground period. These student athletes need to understand that the only reason i pay even a nickel to watch them play is because they are wearing my school's colors. And that is true for every single person that plunks down any cash to support college sports. The schools have paid the 100's of millions to get it to the point where they are getting a return on investment and now the students want to cry foul. I'd call their bluff. Let them go build their own stadiums, hire their own coaches and negotiate their own TV deals and then get a fan base that plunk down the cash to come watch them play. Good luck with that by the way.....

If they continue down this path, they will destroy college sports. There will 25 schools that will be able to afford football which will eliminate scholarship opportunities for 100's of other students that will no longer get them at places like Northern Illinois or other places like that.

People who support this are just incredibly naive idealists who can't get past the misguided concept of "fair" - it's no different than the guy who never quits bitching about his pay, that dude can always go start his own company and pay himself whatever he wants......funny how that person rarely does....
Couldn't have said it better. Sounds a lot like share the wealth gibberish.
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Curious... when you accept a job, is it your impression that the pay/benefits will never change no matter how long you work there based on the original agreement with the company?


Uhh yes it is my impression that the pay/benefits will not change unless you negotiate with your boss. If they say no, you're out of luck because they're your employer. Go find another job. They aren't required to give you better pay or benefits. You signed the original agreement and knew what you were getting into.
 
Ketch,
You said you think 60-80 teams will be able to provide your recommended $10K allowance, but that seems high to me. I see it being more around 25. How would 60-80 teams find the funds for this? Through donations? If so, I don't think you can really accuse a school of not sharing the "profits" if it has to ask for donations to stay afloat.

You also mentioned that student-atheletes shouldn't have to pay for other schools to be able to compete. How do you feel about student-athletes paying for other student-athletes at their school? I think that the football and basketball teams pretty much pay for every other sport. So would you be ok with eliminating all scholarships for the sports that operate at a loss?
 
Originally posted by jspirohorn:
Agree with your reform suggestions but disagree with the endorsement revenue. Instead, force all universities to sell jerseys with #1 on the back. Seconds your $10,000 stipend plus lifetime defined medical benefits (medical benefits are fair) raises the price of poker by at least $2 million per year. Are you ok with only 50 schools opting in to your system? Lastly, how do you propose the schools deal with unionization?
With a little revenue sharing, there's enough money on hand to fund payments to college football players for all 120 schools. The new 12 year college playoff agreement assures that. It's worth an average of $470 million a year to the FBS. Taking a 20% cut of that addresses the issue. The schools don't even have to cut into donations, merchandising revenue, ticket revenue, or regular season TV revenue.

The biggest issue remains the other student athletes in the other sports. How can the system circumvent having to pay those guys? I'm not in favor of a system where the starting RB and women's tennis player are considered one in the same.
 
From USA Today this morning


These legal challenges did not arise suddenly. They grew from years of frustration among athletes subjected to absurdly restrictive contracts. As the NCAA grew wealthier showcasing the talents of its "amateur" athletes, its definition of "amateur" tightened. Under the guise of safeguarding its "student-athletes," it made certain that virtually any financial gain from an athlete's abilities, likeness or name would go to the NCAA.

This dedication to amateurism is supposed to ensure that athletes compete purely for "the love of the game" rather than for profit. Profit, you see, is bad ? except when the NCAA, its member institutions and its coaches enjoy it.

The highest-paid public employee in 40 states is a college football or basketball coach, according to an analysis last year by Deadspin.com. They not only earn salaries that can be in the millions per year, they also can earn even more through endorsement deals. By contrast, the athletes they coach, whose skill and talent form the foundation of the coaches' fortunes, must sign away the right to earn an income.

Supposedly to guard against corruption, athletes are forbidden from taking money from professional sports teams or agents. But the prevention of corruption cannot explain why the NCAA forbids students from profiting independently from their own likenesses or abilities.

Pauper-athletes

The average athletic scholarship at a public school is $15,000 a year for an in-state student and $25,000 for an out-of-state student, according to the NCAA. If a student wanted to earn some extra money to cover living expenses, he could get a job at McDonald's or start a summer landscaping business. But if the "student-athlete" used his own renown to market his own business, he would be stripped of college eligibility.

The NCAA forbids its athletes from trading on their likenesses or names. They can teach at a sports camp, but can't use their likeness to advertise or promote the camp. They can work at a sporting goods store, but cannot let the store advertise that they work there. They can start their own business, but cannot sell their own image (autographed photos, for instance) or even use their own name to promote it.

The Boston Marathon is coming up in April. A runner could pay for all or most of a college degree with the $150,000 first-place prize. But the NCAA forbids track athletes from profiting from participating in road races. They can enter, but not accept a dime if they win.

These rules do not protect students from being exploited; they guarantee that students are exploited ? by the NCAA.

The NCAA has realized for years that these rules are a problem. In 2007, then-NCAA President Myles Brand participated in a panel that recommended relaxing them. Ohio State's athletic director told CBS Sports just before the NLRB ruling that the NCAA could have avoided the legal challenge had it agreed to pay players a stipend. But as the TV and licensing revenue grew (college football and basketball championship games draw more viewers than regular season Major League Baseball games or NASCAR races and most NBA games), the NCAA rejected players' claim to a greater share of the revenues. As a result, the jealously guarded business model is in danger of collapse, brought down by athletes who have hired lawyers ? which, not incidentally, NCAA rules also strongly discourage.
 
Originally posted by quartersmith:
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Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by jwebtx:
Disagree 99% with your NCAA take.

My solution is if you want to be paid, play professionally. All leagues should allow kids to go pro from high school. If they can't make the bigs, they can play in a developmental league or go abroad. If they chose to go to college, they can leave whenever, but they aren't getting paid. they are amateurs.
So, the college student-athlete should see improvements in their deal, but everyone else gets to cash in for free because they play for fun.

They haven't been amateurs for a long time, they just don't get paid.
They are amateurs enjoying a free education and most of what college has to offer. If they want to be paid for playing sports, get a job doing that.

Just because some schools generate a ton of money, doesn't mean the students are entitled to it. They agreed to play for a nonprofit university in exchange for a scholarship. Any money generated should go to improve the university whether that is scholarships, facilities, paying for non revenue sports, etc. If they don't want to be students get the f*&k off campus and go work for a living.
 
Originally posted by mackbrown:

Who are the current D-1 players that are the voice behind this movement to begin paying players? I've only heard a few ex players who were dismal failures in the pros complain and bystanders who would not be impacted at all by this decision.
My understanding is that there were several very high-profile athletes ready to lend their names to the O'Bannon case, but were advised not to for now for a variety of reasons.
 
Originally posted by HerkieWalls:

Great write-up. I clicked on a few of the archived music links at the end to read your top 10s and they don't work. Willie Nelson, Journey, Metallica all go nowhere. Maybe time to re-visit those if its been that long?
Hmmmmmm..... I'll check those and get'em fixed. Yes, might be time to re-visit some of those
 
Originally posted by Ketchum:
From USA Today this morning


These legal challenges did not arise suddenly. They grew from years of frustration among athletes subjected to absurdly restrictive contracts. As the NCAA grew wealthier showcasing the talents of its "amateur" athletes, its definition of "amateur" tightened. Under the guise of safeguarding its "student-athletes," it made certain that virtually any financial gain from an athlete's abilities, likeness or name would go to the NCAA.

This dedication to amateurism is supposed to ensure that athletes compete purely for "the love of the game" rather than for profit. Profit, you see, is bad ? except when the NCAA, its member institutions and its coaches enjoy it.

The highest-paid public employee in 40 states is a college football or basketball coach, according to an analysis last year by Deadspin.com. They not only earn salaries that can be in the millions per year, they also can earn even more through endorsement deals. By contrast, the athletes they coach, whose skill and talent form the foundation of the coaches' fortunes, must sign away the right to earn an income.

Supposedly to guard against corruption, athletes are forbidden from taking money from professional sports teams or agents. But the prevention of corruption cannot explain why the NCAA forbids students from profiting independently from their own likenesses or abilities.

Pauper-athletes

The average athletic scholarship at a public school is $15,000 a year for an in-state student and $25,000 for an out-of-state student, according to the NCAA. If a student wanted to earn some extra money to cover living expenses, he could get a job at McDonald's or start a summer landscaping business. But if the "student-athlete" used his own renown to market his own business, he would be stripped of college eligibility.

The NCAA forbids its athletes from trading on their likenesses or names. They can teach at a sports camp, but can't use their likeness to advertise or promote the camp. They can work at a sporting goods store, but cannot let the store advertise that they work there. They can start their own business, but cannot sell their own image (autographed photos, for instance) or even use their own name to promote it.

The Boston Marathon is coming up in April. A runner could pay for all or most of a college degree with the $150,000 first-place prize. But the NCAA forbids track athletes from profiting from participating in road races. They can enter, but not accept a dime if they win.

These rules do not protect students from being exploited; they guarantee that students are exploited ? by the NCAA.

The NCAA has realized for years that these rules are a problem. In 2007, then-NCAA President Myles Brand participated in a panel that recommended relaxing them. Ohio State's athletic director told CBS Sports just before the NLRB ruling that the NCAA could have avoided the legal challenge had it agreed to pay players a stipend. But as the TV and licensing revenue grew (college football and basketball championship games draw more viewers than regular season Major League Baseball games or NASCAR races and most NBA games), the NCAA rejected players' claim to a greater share of the revenues. As a result, the jealously guarded business model is in danger of collapse, brought down by athletes who have hired lawyers ? which, not incidentally, NCAA rules also strongly discourage.
99% of people are fine with stipends, medical costs, full living allowances, free education, travel expenses and the like.

Whats absurd to me is the notion that the players deserve more. They deserve what they agreed to. If they dont want to play college football, they don't have to. If they want to take their football talents to some semi pro league, arena league, CFL, nobody is stopping them.

NCAA football is not some amazing business model in a for profit setup. TV revenues are about 20 million annually for most teams, and that doesn't even start to cover expenses, if you count infrastructure costs, at most schools.

Its dishonest to count donations as a revenue source if you are talking about sharing a piece of the pie. I would wager that 99% of donors aren't sending money to a university to pay a 18 year old football player and if the university did use funds for that the source of that revenue would dry up.

Also, your notion that you can simply police likeness fees and marketing for these athletes is absurd. You cant tell one athlete in a small market he cant sign a deal while kids from schools with national followings can go ahead and sign large endorsement deals. You think Phil Knight doesn't go ahead and sign every 5 star in the nation for Oregon if this happens? What you suggest will fundamentally destroy college football. When you start bidding for players on an open market, people will stop caring, I guarantee it. When this happens there will be no revenue, because there will be no eyeballs on the sport.

This is simply the modern union mentality. We deserve more, and if it destroys the company and brings everyone down with us, so be it. It all sounds great and fair at first, but at the end of the day there are 100 consequences you never dreamed of that will cause a lot more damage than good.
 
Originally posted by jspirohorn:
Agree with your reform suggestions but disagree with the endorsement revenue. Instead, force all universities to sell jerseys with #1 on the back. Seconds your $10,000 stipend plus lifetime defined medical benefits (medical benefits are fair) raises the price of poker by at least $2 million per year. Are you ok with only 50 schools opting in to your system? Lastly, how do you propose the schools deal with unionization?
You disagree with the idea that a player should be able to profit off of his own likeness/name? Why?

2 whole million dollars?

50 schools Where are you getting that? Why would you believe that the number would be so low? That's just more fear-based rhetoric that has zero factual support.

How do schools deal with unionization? Did you not read the column?
 
Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by jspirohorn:
Agree with your reform suggestions but disagree with the endorsement revenue. Instead, force all universities to sell jerseys with #1 on the back. Seconds your $10,000 stipend plus lifetime defined medical benefits (medical benefits are fair) raises the price of poker by at least $2 million per year. Are you ok with only 50 schools opting in to your system? Lastly, how do you propose the schools deal with unionization?
You disagree with the idea that a player should be able to profit off of his own likeness/name? Why?

2 whole million dollars?

50 schools Where are you getting that? Why would you believe that the number would be so low? That's just more fear-based rhetoric that has zero factual support.

How do schools deal with unionization? Did you not read the column?
Not sure you are big picture thinker Ketch, and that's okay.

Bidding for players through endorsements will kill the golden goose. I have zero doubt of that. This is big business and its complicated. There are 100 consequences for every action and this one most assuredly will hurt everyone involved in the long run.

This post was edited on 3/31 11:52 AM by McHorn
 
The pay for these guys ie. scholarships, changes yearly with the cost of tution.. Guys at schools like Stanford, Northwestern ect. are literally getting scholarships worth a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Please stop acting like these guys are getting raw deals. They are getting money that no other student is getting, and a large portion of them are getting access to educations and institutions that they could never get access to minus their athletic prowess.
 
Originally posted by cagrafft:
Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by SnakeEarl:
There is tremendous value proposition here whereby both parties can win.

If they don't figure it out, it's because they are stupid or blinded by their greed.

Here's to the players getting all they deserve. Would seem that scholarship numbers will be dropping to 60 very soon. Then we will see 5 stars walking on with endorsement deals that pay their way. Surely some will be "beauty pageanted" in their early teens, will move from market to market looking for the right deal....the deals that will be struck!

The unintended consequences will be fascinating to watch.

NCAA should just change its name to "pimping our youth".
Give me a break. The money we're talking about is a drop in the pan compared to the revenue coming in.

The value of some smaller schools being unable to keep up is not the responsibility of the athletes. It's not their responsibility to carry everyone as they have.
Wow...so are you suggesting that it's the players that have been carry the system and bringing in the revenue? Wasn't aware that Johnny Football and Vince were the ones making the TV deals, building the stadiums, marketing the University. Guess we should have hired them to take over for Deloss instead of Patterson. Clearly the AD and Administrations are nothing without these star players.

**********************


Yes, the players have been doing a lot of carrying and revenue-generating. That cannot be open for dispute.

I'm leaning towards the idea that you're trying to troll me.
 
Originally posted by cagrafft:
Uhh yes it is my impression that the pay/benefits will not change unless you negotiate with your boss. If they say no, you're out of luck because they're your employer. Go find another job. They aren't required to give you better pay or benefits. You signed the original agreement and knew what you were getting into.
The athletes are not being allowed to negotiate with their bosses.

I think you're going to find that the court rooms are not going to side often with the NCAA.

Now is the time for a deal... the first deal they've ever really offered after all these years of putting the squeeze on its athletes.
 
Originally posted by djblan:
Ketch,
You said you think 60-80 teams will be able to provide your recommended $10K allowance, but that seems high to me. I see it being more around 25. How would 60-80 teams find the funds for this? Through donations? If so, I don't think you can really accuse a school of not sharing the "profits" if it has to ask for donations to stay afloat.

You also mentioned that student-atheletes shouldn't have to pay for other schools to be able to compete. How do you feel about student-athletes paying for other student-athletes at their school? I think that the football and basketball teams pretty much pay for every other sport. So would you be ok with eliminating all scholarships for the sports that operate at a loss?
25?

You REALLY think all of the schools in the power conferences that are raking in tens of millions in revenues will bow out over a cost of a few million per year?

Hell, just build the cost into the next TV deals and it pays for itself.

It's a ridiculous notion to think that only a few schools can handle this. Legally, that point won't matter if this goes deep into court.
 
I think the reason why there hasn't been that much of a change to the system is that in principle it conforms to an amateur model. These changes are based on 'fairness' which is a undefined and pretty weak basis to create a set of rules. Why 10K, why not 20K or 50K? You have created some magical limit and then determined for yourself that enough schools can afford it. I can use you own arguments it isn't the responsibility of the players to pay for the other players to ask if UT could pay 20K why should they worry about anyone else?

The endorsement/likeness idea is absurd on the face.

I don't really have an issue with some limited changes. Insurance on the surface seems easy but becomes an issue when it related to long term difficult to diagnose ailments or degenerative conditions. I'm not sure any agency is up for leaving itself on the hook for an ever expanding pool of potential claimants.
 
Originally posted by jwebtx:
Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by jwebtx:
Disagree 99% with your NCAA take.

My solution is if you want to be paid, play professionally. All leagues should allow kids to go pro from high school. If they can't make the bigs, they can play in a developmental league or go abroad. If they chose to go to college, they can leave whenever, but they aren't getting paid. they are amateurs.
So, the college student-athlete should see improvements in their deal, but everyone else gets to cash in for free because they play for fun.

They haven't been amateurs for a long time, they just don't get paid.
They are amateurs enjoying a free education and most of what college has to offer. If they want to be paid for playing sports, get a job doing that.
They already have that job, it just doesn't pay them...
 
Originally posted by jwebtx:
Just because some schools generate a ton of money, doesn't mean the students are entitled to it.
Best line of the day. Made with zero respect to how the ton of money is created.

Again, the courtrooms are not going to side with this viewpoint. Time to make a deal, my man... or else.
 
I'm for blowing the system up for the most part, but I think Ketch presented a very reasonable and more practical alternative solution that would work without needing total implosion of the NCAA. The NCAA better do something quickly or the courts are going to do it for them.
 
Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by cagrafft:
Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by SnakeEarl:
There is tremendous value proposition here whereby both parties can win.

If they don't figure it out, it's because they are stupid or blinded by their greed.

Here's to the players getting all they deserve. Would seem that scholarship numbers will be dropping to 60 very soon. Then we will see 5 stars walking on with endorsement deals that pay their way. Surely some will be "beauty pageanted" in their early teens, will move from market to market looking for the right deal....the deals that will be struck!

The unintended consequences will be fascinating to watch.

NCAA should just change its name to "pimping our youth".
Give me a break. The money we're talking about is a drop in the pan compared to the revenue coming in.

The value of some smaller schools being unable to keep up is not the responsibility of the athletes. It's not their responsibility to carry everyone as they have.
Wow...so are you suggesting that it's the players that have been carry the system and bringing in the revenue? Wasn't aware that Johnny Football and Vince were the ones making the TV deals, building the stadiums, marketing the University. Guess we should have hired them to take over for Deloss instead of Patterson. Clearly the AD and Administrations are nothing without these star players.

**********************


Yes, the players have been doing a lot of carrying and revenue-generating. That cannot be open for dispute.

I'm leaning towards the idea that you're trying to troll me.
I'm not trolling...

I'm not arguing that those superstar players don't bring more fans to the stands, and sell more UT merchandise, but where was UT before Deloss came? What was the UT football stadium like as well as the rest of the major UT programs? Baseball, basketball, football are in a BY FAR better position than they were before Deloss was hired.

Guys like Vince, Ricky, Colt, Manziel come every few years (I'm not talking talent, because obviously there aren't VYs showing up every year. I'm talking guys that are like that in terms of exposure and superstar status. There will always be superstars and heisman winners every year that people want to watch) But people and administrators like Deloss are hard to find IMO and are the ones that have to be consistently good in order to make a program great. I think Deloss carries and generates revenue far exceeding anything these student-athletes could.
 
I predict that, after the next inevitable legal setback, they'll see the writing on the wall and will cut a deal. I don't believe they'll risk a draconian legal ruling.

Cut a deal and share 3% of the gross, or let some judge hand out 25% of the gross. They're not stupid.
 
McHorn, some thoughts on your thoughts (which are bolded):


99% of people are fine with stipends, medical costs, full living allowances, free education, travel expenses and the like.

Then why has there been no adjusting of the benefits over the years for student athletes? The answer is because the NCAA has always wanted to control everything and be the only ones profiting from the growth of the games.

Whats absurd to me is the notion that the players deserve more. They deserve what they agreed to. If they dont want to play college football, they don't have to. If they want to take their football talents to some semi pro league, arena league, CFL, nobody is stopping them.

What is absurd to me is that you can't or won't recognize the swindle taking place. The NCA has taken advantage of the players lack of organization and leadership for decades, only with eyes starting to open up because a few people have raised their hands and started asking important questions. You mention that they deserve what they agreed to, but they really haven't had a chance to discuss what's in what they agree to.

This isn't about playing football. This is about sharing the some of the wealth that is created through the revenue of a billion dollar per year industry through which their sweat equity helps generate, despite the fact that their agreements have never been altered to reflect the changing dynamics of the modern college athletics world.

NCAA football is not some amazing business model in a for profit setup. TV revenues are about 20 million annually for most teams, and that doesn't even start to cover expenses, if you count infrastructure costs, at most schools.

So many ways to respond to this section, but I'll simply point out strongly that it is not the responsibility of the players to cover the costs that you labeled at the total expense of themselves, not while everyone one else involved gets paid incredibly well.

FYI, random note: The NCAA Tournament generates nearly 800 million in this single year for the NCAA

Its dishonest to count donations as a revenue source if you are talking about sharing a piece of the pie. I would wager that 99% of donors aren't sending money to a university to pay a 18 year old football player and if the university did use funds for that the source of that revenue would dry up.


I don't really care how the school balances its books to make it happen. Fascinating that you use the word dishonest in this discussion and didn't apply it to the schools and universities involved.

You don't think donors would send money to play players? lulz

Also, your notion that you can simply police likeness fees and marketing for these athletes is absurd.

Not as absurd as not allowing an athlete to make money off his own name.

You cant tell one athlete in a small market he cant sign a deal while kids from schools with national followings can go ahead and sign large endorsement deals. You think Phil Knight doesn't go ahead and sign every 5 star in the nation for Oregon if this happens?What you suggest will fundamentally destroy college football. When you start bidding for players on an open market, people will stop caring, I guarantee it. When this happens there will be no revenue, because there will be no eyeballs on the sport.


Non-sense scare rhetoric.

This is simply the modern union mentality. We deserve more, and if it destroys the company and brings everyone down with us, so be it. It all sounds great and fair at first, but at the end of the day there are 100 consequences you never dreamed of that will cause a lot more damage than good.

What would you call the NCAA's mentality after all these years? Or do they simply get to do whatever they want for the history of time with no respect to the players role in the entire process?
 
Originally posted by Ketchum:


Originally posted by jspirohorn:
Agree with your reform suggestions but disagree with the endorsement revenue. Instead, force all universities to sell jerseys with #1 on the back. Seconds your $10,000 stipend plus lifetime defined medical benefits (medical benefits are fair) raises the price of poker by at least $2 million per year. Are you ok with only 50 schools opting in to your system? Lastly, how do you propose the schools deal with unionization?
You disagree with the idea that a player should be able to profit off of his own likeness/name? Why?

2 whole million dollars?

50 schools Where are you getting that? Why would you believe that the number would be so low? That's just more fear-based rhetoric that has zero factual support.

How do schools deal with unionization? Did you not read the column?
I agree a player should be able to profit off his own likeness. I just think the practice would be impossible to regulate and lead to more players playing for NIKE than State U.

I did some research and you are correct that all of the power conferences can handle $2 million so I'm coming around there. Using $50 million in annual revenue as a cut-off though none of the American Athletic Conference teams except for Louisville generate more than $50 million/year.

The NCAA can head off unionization at that level but if individual teams can organize separately, UT players will get paid better than Texas Tech players, effectively ending the major conferences.
 
I. All student-athletes will have full medical coverage during their time as student athletes and if an injury occurs within their sport that requires treatment beyond their time as student-athletes, they'll continue to receive coverage.

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Ketch - first off I really enjoyed the read and agree for the most part. In regards to medical coverage for NCAA schools this is apart of my professional life. As of now - student-athletes have medical care at no cost to them for athletic related injuries. If the athlete has primary insurance that coverage pays first. Then the school pays co-pay, deductible or coinsurance. If the athlete does not have primary insurance then the school or in some cases the secondary insurance company picks up all of the cost. Under the current NCAA rules - coverage last for two years after athletic eligibility is exhausted. The biggest varying factor at schools is how they choose to handle sickness or care that has nothing to do with athletic injuries. Some don't pay a dime, some buy a standard policy, some choose the student health plan.

I believe for the 30-60 NCAA schools that have the budget to break away from the traditional model that they will look at a Workers Compensation model that will provide extended care well beyond their playing days, just like the system that is in place for professional leagues. The cost will be much more but the benefits will be greater. My 2 cents.
 
Originally posted by McHorn:

Originally posted by Ketchum:

Originally posted by jspirohorn:
Agree with your reform suggestions but disagree with the endorsement revenue. Instead, force all universities to sell jerseys with #1 on the back. Seconds your $10,000 stipend plus lifetime defined medical benefits (medical benefits are fair) raises the price of poker by at least $2 million per year. Are you ok with only 50 schools opting in to your system? Lastly, how do you propose the schools deal with unionization?
You disagree with the idea that a player should be able to profit off of his own likeness/name? Why?

2 whole million dollars?

50 schools Where are you getting that? Why would you believe that the number would be so low? That's just more fear-based rhetoric that has zero factual support.

How do schools deal with unionization? Did you not read the column?
Not sure you are big picture thinker Ketch, and that's okay.

Bidding for players through endorsements will kill the golden goose. I have zero doubt of that. This is big business and its complicated. There are 100 consequences for every action and this one most assuredly will hurt everyone involved in the long run.
Yes, I'm the one struggling with the big picture....

"Whats absurd to me is the notion that the players deserve more."
 
Ketch you are killing the anti athlete crowd by yourself.





This post was edited on 3/31 2:58 PM by Ebeatty3753
 
How many of the current 120+ division 1 athletic programs aren't losing money ?
How many of the 300+ basketball programs aren't losing money ?

The extra funds would need to come from somewhere , most likely by raising tuition on the student body .
 
"I'm not arguing that those superstar players don't bring more fans to the stands, and sell more UT merchandise, but where was UT before Deloss came?"

And Deloss was paid a million a year by the time he left. So as revenues increased, he was paid more. They figured out what he was responsible for and gave him a raise.A?
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