Ketch's 10 Thoughts From the Weekend (Tom Herman's big 2018)
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Of the three; that's the stupidest... I can get on board with that. But I also think it's the most explicable. Like you said, fans are gonna be fans and mob mentality is a strong force.
But you're a journalist, can you imagine going through every tweet that some WR coach for A&M posted for the last 7 years searching for something derogatory he said way back then? That isn't news, it isn't relevant, and it's not a helping anyone, anywhere.
I have a journalism degree and I hate the knee-jerk response to blame "the media" for every little thing. But is the journalist who drudged this up worth a damn? I don't think so.
To the contrary from your opinion, I was impressed that San Antonio got DeMar DeRozan (23/5/4), Jakob Poeltl (a big I have never heard of) and a protected 2019 first-round pick in exchange for an extremely talented and hardworking malcontent and a sometimes erratic shooter but good defender in the twilight of his career. Evaluating a draft pick before the pick is announced is certainly hard to evaluate but does have value. Sending Kwahi to the Eastern conference for a very good scorer is about as good as could be hoped for under the circumstances. DeRozen obviously isn't Leorand but he's not terrible either. There were many other scenarios possible where the Spurs would have ended up with MUCH less.
Love the stories. I want to believe in Herman and agree w everything you said regarding the CEO part, just need to see it on the field now.
I also want to see how manages the games, there were some questionable 3rd and 4th down calls last year. I think he was just trying to build confidence but sometimes you just gotta take your medicine.
I also want to see how manages the games, there were some questionable 3rd and 4th down calls last year. I think he was just trying to build confidence but sometimes you just gotta take your medicine.
Everyday. Self-criticality is what drives me to be who I am today. I still ponder the mistakes I made when I was that kids age. Yes I used the N-word, as have you if you were able to be totally honest with yourself. Am I proud of it? No of course not, and neither are you, nor the kid that walked out on the field to an ovation. For anyone to act all sanctimonious over this kid is disingenuous at best, and pure chicken schitt at worst.
Most years you think we are going to be good we suck. Well at least for the last 10
If the context is that it happened years ago and absent a profound mea culpa and the immeadiate unanimous support of abused female associates attesting to the authenticity of the reform of that individual it would be a disgrace.
Ketch I get the feeling you lived a sheltered life with your mother. When you're around other kids who are looking to beat you up, or take something from you - as kid, your only response is to fight back and get as hard as your environment.
Spending time there, isn't the same as living there. Did your house have bars on the windows and bars that fenced in the front porch? I moved to the east side as impressionable, soft white kid from Odessa. I left the east side highly suspicious of people, and as one of three white kids in my neighborhood, disliking black people.
clearly, we are not wired the same or have the same experience.
I get that you don't like the that crowd cheered for the guy. I interpreted their reaction as supporting and cheering his owning of his teenage comments. In the wide angle, he owned, they don't represent him now. His teammates like him and have no issues with him...so neither should you.
Fair enogh. I moved to Wisconsin in 1996. Two things I noticed. The first is that the areas that I lived in, mostly rural/suburban at first, we're over 90% White. This was not a segregation that I was used to. The second thing was that the level of sensitivity to racism was something I never experienced growing up in Texas. The people here set a higher bar that made me examine many of my own biases/prejudices.
Wanting to understand this juxtaposition of extreme segregation yet racial sensitivity I've spent a great deal of time observing and researching this area's political racial history. What confounds me is the Persistence of racial segregation in Milwaukee and Milwaukee County yet the total domination of this area by Democrats sympathetic to racial parody. Since 1908 Milwaukee has had all democratic and three socialist mayors. It's current County Board are 14 Democrats one moderate independent and one conservative Republican. All police chiefs are appointed by democratic mayors and affirmed by democratic city councils. School boards, administrator and judges are dominated by Democrats.
In the south, we had a blessing though it did not seem like it at the time to many (and I lived through it), in that we had court mandated desegregation. I was in Austin when this occurred. Would have gone to McCallum. Go Blue Crew. Because of this i grew up in mixed race neigjborhoods and schools. That has never happened up here. Yet, the powers that be, who happen to be elected by and benevolent to the minorities who support them never address the racial segregation issue... at all. I have my ideas but I could be wrong. Still,
So, I now mimister in a purple area. Just had a phone conversation with the democratic state senator from my district today.
Here is my take in a nutshell of 22 years emersed in the culture of Wisconsin. How does an city, county,area that is overwhelming blue/Democrat and sensitive to the racial concerns of the people that elected, support them suddenly turn and become racial bigots overnight? I have observed that Wisconites HIGHLY value respect for minority races. Due to a segregation that persists not of their own making, they are very inexperienced in racial/cultural interaction. Sometimes this causes poorly thought out actions/reactions that are poorly chosen. But, on the vast majority they value, teach, espouse and desire equality more than anyplace I have lived. And it has been a number of places across the Southwest. There is a gentleness of spirit here that is reserved but deeply held. When the Packers and Favre blew the 1997 Super Bowl I was amazed at the, ' hey dehr, I guess it wasn't our year don't cha' know' attitude. Cowboy fans would have been exploding!
I am convinced, and I had parishioners in attendance and ones who have frustratingly spoken up that they were not applauding the pitcher because he was a victim. That is not a Wisconites style, they are honest straight forward and not in your face people. They were proud of the way he owned his mistakes and how how he and his team mates embraced each other
At least, that is what I have been told and it fits with my 22 years of observations.
Thank you for asking for my perspective and I am happy to hear your side.
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C'mon Ketch. Don't make this more complicated than it has to be. The guy said some terrible things when he was in high school and probably thought, like thousands of kids nationwide over the last ten to twenty years, that stupid stuff they said on social media would never come to light. A naive and dangerous opinion, even for teenagers, in this day and age.
The Milwaukee fans saw him savaged, unexpectedly, in what otherwise should have been a highlight of his young career. He was contrite before his teammates, who all vouched for his present character. Milwaukee wasn't applauding him for what he did; they were applauding him to say we have your back, to say we know a lot of people, including many of us, who have done really outrageous things when we were young, but we are people and a nation that are forgiving, give people second chances, and love redemption stories. We are willing to forgive and forget if you make it right. You’ve tried to make it right. So forgive and forget. If you slip up again, that's a whole different story.
It's the Prodigal Son, come home.
The Milwaukee fans saw him savaged, unexpectedly, in what otherwise should have been a highlight of his young career. He was contrite before his teammates, who all vouched for his present character. Milwaukee wasn't applauding him for what he did; they were applauding him to say we have your back, to say we know a lot of people, including many of us, who have done really outrageous things when we were young, but we are people and a nation that are forgiving, give people second chances, and love redemption stories. We are willing to forgive and forget if you make it right. You’ve tried to make it right. So forgive and forget. If you slip up again, that's a whole different story.
It's the Prodigal Son, come home.
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I've really said nothing about Hader. Nothing. Haven't called for a suspension. Haven't called for added apologies. It's curious to see how some have framed my comments.
Statue of limitations is a pretty standard expression, not exactly specific to just a court of law.
I'm also seeing a lot of examples (such as the Michael Scott one) that are comparing apples to oranges. This guy's rhetoric was as ugly as it gets. In the name of revolting against the media (it seems for some), that is being largely ignored, as is the fact that no high bar has been set in order for him to receive overwhelming support.
El patio needed to be on the list.
No. I thought they were being supportive of someone under attack by basically paid literary assassins. Totally different optics than if this was something he said recently.
The need for some to die on this hill going the other direction is more the charts.
This isn't rocket science.
I don't even know how to respond to this. You're supporting the support of a guy who said incredibly hateful things because you view that as less of an issue than the reporting of it.
How do you think a black person or gay person might have viewed it, or do you not care?
They wouldn't have seen it but for the journalist dragging the whole story up out of ancient history. You also do blacks and gays a disservice by assuming that they wouldn't say "wait a minute, this was years and years ago when he was a high schooler? Why is this coming up now?"
Yeah, I'm the one doing blacks and gays the disservice. Nailed it. lol
I'm done. Have a nice night.
The guy searching for dirt on baseball players from years ago is who did them a disservice.
you're focused on the wrong thing, but I realize you couldn't see it that way if we had this discussion 1,000 times.
I get more of my money's worth from this website than I get from the Dallas Morning News.
It now takes about two minutes to read the sports section of the DMN, and on many days there is not a single word about the Longhorns.
And the DMN is now about forty bucks a month, and more than $400 a year.
I guess the older I get, the more I care about specific examples where the nuances are. It's much easier to judge situations as it pertains to groups of people, and my empathies are always with individuals because it's their lives who are affected, not groups, in the specific situations.
In this specific situation, a guy (who has had teammates step up as character witnesses) is living his life then gets blasted out of nowhere for statements he made 8 years ago as a child (yes, 17 is close to an adult, but still a child). He owns up to them and apologizes, and his hometown team's crowd cheers for him.
I listened to espn radio on my way home, after I posted my initial thoughts in this thread and some points were made that made me raise an eyebrow. I do have empathy for the groups that he said such hateful things about. But no one in that group has been injured, and he's an individual who now suffers from what seems to be a permanent mark on his character. 1. I don't find that fair at all. 2. I have become ambivalent about the cheers from his home crowd. But ultimately, 3 they are his home crowd.
It's much easier these days to demonize people in a moment in time, and I am not a fan of that, regardless of which side of the political landscape they fall under. Had his twitter statements been made last year, I wouldn't find much empathy for him and would fall on your side of the eeked out aisle as it relates to the crowd's reaction. But they didn't. 8 years ago. I understand the crowd's reaction. I also understand your reaction to them.
That's why they call it Social Judgement Watchdog. Dig up something from 20 years ago and use it to drive societal division and hate, with no knowledge of the current situation. If this is proof of an unsolved murder or unsolved heinous crime, I'm
That is ok, if they take us to 9+ wins this year, and support 11 wins in 2019. Natty in 2020 is fine by me.
His teammates standing up for him means nothing for me.
It's a sports team. They view life through the prism of the team, first and foremost.
I don't have an expiration date on hate and vile ugliness, but that's just me. Perhaps I prioritize things differently than some.
For what it is worth, I attempted to delete this before it was posted. Didnt complete the post. Not sure how it got posted.
The point I was trying to make is that people make stupid mistakes when they are young. Your beliefs at 40 or 50 are usualy much different than teen or pre-teen.
Your SJW mindset is to ignore any substance or fact from the time after the offense. Even if has been 20 or 30 years. Unless the offensive person is now supporting your political agenda.
We are a country ruled by law. Not political facism. Looks like that is changing. Too bad.
You're literally inventing shit that doesn't exist and thoughts that haven't been expressed, all in the name of the political ideology that has you blinded from open and real talk.
We are a country ruled by law. Not simple-minded, empty thinking. Looks like that is changing. Too bad.
What does that look like? I must miss it every time one of these issues is brought up here. You do mention it quite a bit, though.
One of the best things about Inside Texas is that I have no clue as to the political or social views of Clendon Ross.
This site would be improved if that were true here as well as to the political and social views of top management.
This site would be improved if that were true here as well as to the political and social views of top management.
