NCAA yanks title games from North Carolina

[clob94]

Soooooo just so I'm clear- there are 7 ncaa scheduled title games that were to take place within North Carolina this year and the NCAA removed all of them from the state because of a bathroom thing....

I'm not mitigating anything but----- in my opinion rape > pee pee.

Am I crazy, am I wrong, am I an ass for feeling that perhaps, just perhaps, the NCAA should prioritize a little and realize that women are having strange peens forcefully jammed into their orifice and other folks can't pee in the bathroom of their choice??

I mean, can't we at least go "Hey, men are brutalizing innocent women in Waco, maybe we should attend to THAT before we go running to North Carolina and making a statement"?

 

[TX1972]

It's funny, in Europe they don't have any of the disability junk. Walk the stairs, park your car with everyone else, etc. But they are to be emulated.

 

[Scholz]

The NBA pulled their all star game from NC too. Those organizations don't want to be associated with that HB2 law. It's distasteful to them for that state to take away protections from the most vulnerable minority group. It's ugly and mean.

 

[Drtxhorn]

Please elaborate on how the NC bathroom law is "ugly and mean"...

 

[Drtxhorn]

HB2, only acts to overturn an overreaching city ordinance in Charlotte that would have forced private entities to change existing bathroom and locker-room policies to conform to the proponents "gender identity" ideology. Under HB2, such private businesses are allowed the freedom to implement pro-trans policies if they’d like; there is no government force. As for public entities, their traditional standards were simply reaffirmed via the legislation. Plus, trans folks post-op, who change their sex on their birth certificates, may use the corresponding facility to which they "identify," per HB2.

From the plain and ordinary reading of the HB2 law, it certainly doesn't seem unreasonable at all.

 

[Scholz]

Please elaborate on how the NC bathroom law is "ugly and mean"...

It discriminates against the transgender population. It hurts and takes dignity away from a powerless and vulnerable group. That's how. Let people pee how they identify. Doubt any of those NC Bahble thumpers would even recognize a transgender anyway.

 

[Drtxhorn]

It discriminates against the transgender population. It hurts and takes dignity away from a powerless and vulnerable group. That's how. Let people pee how they identify. Doubt any of those NC Bahble thumpers would even recognize a transgender anyway.

So bathrooms must be integrated but sports must remain separate but equal? I'm trying to understand the logic there.

Using that logic, they should disband independent male and female sports, which are by their definition transphobic. After all, if a man wants to play for women’s teams, and a woman wants to play for a men’s team, why must there be separate categories? If gender is entirely a social construct, why reinforce that social construct through separate sex-specific sports?

 

[Scholz]

Different issues. Look, rail against the backlash all you want. I'm just trying to explain how non conservatives view the issue and why there has been significant tax revenue loss from NC due to orgs taking their business elsewhere. It's viewed as religious zealots discriminating against a minority group because those in power don't like how those icky homos were born and live their lives. Its viewed as shaming and taking dignity from powerless people who cause no harm.

 

[Drtxhorn]

I think the biggest problem with this and so many other social issues is that individuals fail to utilize basic rational thought when evaluating an issue. Instead, they rely on emotions and extreme straw men to gin up opposition. The facts here just don't support any argument for discrimination or shaming of anybody. All anyone has to do is actually read the text of the law.

 

[Scholz]

OK I'm sure you're right. Making a person who's lived their entire life as a girl, identifies as a girl, dresses and looks like a girl and who everybody prior to that thought was a girl pee in the boys bathroom doesn't do any harm. And thank goodness that dangerous predator was put in his place. Because Jesus.

 

[Drtxhorn]

The NBA has also done annual "basketball without borders" camps and exhibition games in Africa, Middle East, and Turkey. These are places where gays, lesbians and Transgender people are beheaded, tossed off rooftops, and burned alive solely because of their orientation. These actions are actually supported and written into law by these oppressive and tyrannical governments. The NBA, to my knowledge, has no plans to cancel any of those events. However, the all star game in NC was canceled over HB2, WTF?

 

[Scholz]

Funny you should mention theocracies. Let the religious right in this country have their way... There's a reason the moniker American Taliban sprung up. Let me ask you a question, do you think the hardline Saudis would be for this bill or against it? I would submit religious extremism is the problem no matter what the brand. Thankfully it doesn't go unchecked in this country as in this case.

 

[Drtxhorn]

They would be against it 100% because the law allows private businesses to decide what is right for them instead of being dictated by government force.

 

[Scholz]

Haha. That's funny. This is just another instance of the religious Republicans rebranding their discrimination under the guise of protection. It's their usual politics of fear and hate. It's another solution in search of a problem. Let's protect young girls against supposed bathroom danger (even though there or literally more documented cases of sexual misconduct by Republican lawmakers than total transgender people) because we don't like those people. Let's make everyone get an ID to vote to solve that terrible supposed fraud (even though there's no proof of it still) because that will keep the poors and minorities from voting.

What, we're just protecting young girls and the sanctity of the vote.

 

[obviouslyZRH]

It's funny, in Europe they don't have any of the disability junk. Walk the stairs, park your car with everyone else, etc. But they are to be emulated.

I guess this is some kind of sideways jab at the liberal European policies that people are calling for in the US... Besides having nothing to do with the topic, I'd say Europe has pretty modern disability care and access, with the exception of historic buildings (which admittedly, is much of the European tourism draw).

Back on topic, the whole debate over bathrooms is a non issue that's been built up way beyond what it deserves. This whole NCAA and NC thing reeks of a cheap way to score PC points. Never mind actual issues, just look at how modern we are.

 

[Longyac]

If HB2 had only been about bathrooms it would not have made the waves it did. HB2 was a knee jerk reaction to an issue that didn't really exist.

Unfortunately, it went beyond bathroom use and in parts 2 and 3 stripped the right to sue for being discriminated against for being LGBT in NC courts. Meaning any discrimination cases would have to sue in federal courts which puts up huge road blocks.

 

[crazypatriotguy]

The NBA pulled their all star game from NC too. Those organizations don't want to be associated with that HB2 law. It's distasteful to them for that state to take away protections from the most vulnerable minority group. It's ugly and mean.

I couldn't care less if the NBA wants to pull the all star game out or not, but if they truly cared deeply about this issue, Charlotte wouldn't still have a basketball team.

Moving the all star game and continuing to collect all the money you would have originally, but allowing exhibition games, 41 regular season games and then possibly (but doubtful) playoff games to be played doesn't exactly scream "we care for you."

Cancelling the all star game and actually taking a financial hurt would show this as more than a basic business decision.

 

[oldschoolcat]

I bet the 30 transgender people in North Carolina are super pumped about this.

 

[Scholz]

I bet the 30 transgender people in North Carolina are super pumped about this.

Or 37,000. Either way. But who cares about them.

http://time.com/4325181/north-carolina-bathroom-transgender-population/

 

[oldschoolcat]

Hey....an awesome 0.39% of the population. Let's make sure we go out of our way to take care of those poor souls.

This country is the most accommodating of lifestyles, religions, sexual orientations, races, and cultures of any on the planet. Yet the liberal types keep pushing and pushing to malign good people just minding their own business. Anyone who isn't an advocate for your cause is a bigot.

Even though we may agree with your cause, the in your face scorched earth approach is all wrong. Most good people don't object because of religion....we object because it is just another liberal push to change the American culture.

 

[clob94]

Missing my original point guys----------

RAPE > Bathrooms

I could give two poops about who poops or pees in what bathroom. Really has zero effect on my life either way. As long as you're not peeing on my shoe while I'm peeing I do not care.

BUT------ when the governing body of college sports takes a discriminatory "crime" and places it on a higher priority level than a crime of "brutality" like RAPE-- now I'm pissed off. UNC, Duke, NC STATE, wake forest-- none of these schools actively participated in passing this law. Yet all of them in one way or another are affected by the NCAA's actions. They are being punished because of the state they are located in and not all of them are state schools. But BAYLOR has a violent rape culture and the NCAA doesn't lift a finger thus far.

Scholz, I'm all about inclusion. But for the NCAA to seem to be "pandering" to a small % of the populace instead of taking a stand against people raping women (51% of our population) methinks they need to rethink things a bit. Again, I don't care what bathroom anybody uses. ZERO affect on my life-- but if my daughter were a Baylor rape victim and I read the headlines that the NCAA addressed peeing and pooping BEFORE they investigate a university with a rampant RAPE culture-- I'm kicking somebody's ass in Indianapolis.

 

[bubba2023]

That kind of conclusion comes from the use of logic and rational thinking. The NCAA and our society as a whole don't possess the capacity for either.

 

[mm42]

I don't care what clothes people choose to wear, it's weird to me but who cares. As far as I am concerned women and young children can go into whatever restroom makes them happy. I just don't want a grown ass man I don't know alone in the bathroom with my little girl. He probably is just a tranny and not a child molester, but probably is not good enough. Not a religious thing at all to me, it is a safety thing. I am fine with a man marrying a man, a man marrying a women who thinks she is a man, or a man marrying 3 women & 2 men. Just don't be alone with little girls, especially where you shouldn't be. It is an excellent way for someone to get hurt or worse. Just stupid.

 

[Scholz]

Hey....an awesome 0.39% of the population. Let's make sure we go out of our way to take care of those poor souls.

Way to crawfish from your ignorant 30 people comment.

Yes, I believe it was Jesus who said, "F*ck those people, they're different than us."

 

[mm42]

Yes, I believe it was Jesus who said, "F*ck those people, they're different than us."

Scholz. You are better than that. Practicing Christians are a minority in this country. Why not treat them with the same respect you would treat any other minority.

 

[Scholz]

Let's make sure we go out of our way to take care of those poor souls.

Minding your own business and letting people go to the bathroom where they identify and feel most comfortable is a huge burden and time drain is it?

 

[mm42]

Minding your own business and letting people go to the bathroom where they identify and feel most comfortable is a huge burden and time drain is it?

I get that a man who believes he is a women might feel more comfortable in a women's restroom. I get it. But as a parent of young girls, I am not comfortable with any man in the bathroom with them. Not sure what the answer is, but pretending it is unreasonable for parents to be uncomfortable with a random man alone with their little girls makes no sense to me.

 

[Longyac]

Hey....an awesome 0.39% of the population. Let's make sure we go out of our way to take care of those poor souls.

This country is the most accommodating of lifestyles, religions, sexual orientations, races, and cultures of any on the planet. Yet the liberal types keep pushing and pushing to malign good people just minding their own business. Anyone who isn't an advocate for your cause is a bigot.

Even though we may agree with your cause, the in your face scorched earth approach is all wrong. Most good people don't object because of religion....we object because it is just another liberal push to change the American culture.

This attitude is exactly why our founding fathers set up the Supreme Court system and charged it with the duty of protecting the rights of the minority from the will of the majority.

 

[TXSFRED]

Scholz. You are better than that. Practicing Christians are a minority in this country. Why not treat them with the same respect you would treat any other minority.

Yep . Not only did Sholtz take HIS name in vain but then put a stand-in for a cuss word word he uses in HIS mouth. That, kind of, loses the effect of WWJD he was trying for.

I would put a laughing emoticon in there somewhere, but I might be, unknowingly, be standing near Sholtz during a lightning strike some day.

 

[mm42]

This attitude is exactly why our founding fathers set up the Supreme Court system and charged it with the duty of protecting the rights of the minority from the will of the majority.

Well 50% of the population is female, and many of those are children. Shouldn't their safety be part of the equation. A lot of men are sick: straight, gay, or whatever else. There is not a perfect answer, but I would protect the most vulnerable - which is kids in my opinion.

 

[Longyac]

You're still talking about the bathroom piece and I'm talking about the use of that idea to disenfranchise part of our population from the right to readdress wrongs in their state's court system.

 

[andrew86e]

 

[mm42]

You're still talking about the bathroom piece and I'm talking about the use of that idea to disenfranchise part of our population from the right to readdress wrongs in their state's court system.

Ok. You just got to make sure party X's protection doesn't cause undue harm to party Y. Not always clear cut. But in theory, I think I agree with you.

 

[clob94]

Everybody please look past the pee issue and look at the REAL issue.

The NCAA chose to punish an ENTIRE STATE's university systems for the laws passed by the STATE---- not the SCHOOLS!

Yet-- in Waco, there's not been one NCAA finger raised.

Wtf is wrong with you guys? Don't you see how ridiculous this is????????

Let's punish dozens of universities for policies they had nothing to do with---- but hey, rape all the chicks you want Baylor.........

 

[Belldozer1]

Oh damn...you'

The NBA has also done annual "basketball without borders" camps and exhibition games in Africa, Middle East, and Turkey. These are places where gays, lesbians and Transgender people are beheaded, tossed off rooftops, and burned alive solely because of their orientation. These actions are actually supported and written into law by these oppressive and tyrannical governments. The NBA, to my knowledge, has no plans to cancel any of those events. However, the all star game in NC was canceled over HB2, WTF?

Don't use logic. It's always a double standard issue with those people. Kind of like a political candidate accepting monies from countries that hate gays, abuse and condone abusing your wife, hate Christianity, support terrorism, all the while that certain candidate is claiming they are against it all.