Oklahoma forcing out Boren

[Tired Horn]

First, given that Boren tweeted out his press conference At 8:00am. Everyone knew what was going to be announced. Clob's prediction at 9:47am is a little behind the curve. I happen to be in OK this week and it was not taken with such dramatic overtones. he's 76. Been Gov. And Universitry President. Kevin Durant's tweet was a bigger story.

Big 10 has 14 teams. Do you think they take more than 2? Can't image Ou leaving and not taking OSU. Can't image Big10 not making a run at Texas if OU wants in.

 

[clob94]

First, given that Boren tweeted out his press conference At 8:00am. Everyone knew what was going to be announced. Clob's prediction at 9:47am is a little behind the curve. I happen to be in OK this week and it was not taken with such dramatic overtones. he's 76. Been Gov. And Universitry President. Kevin Durant's tweet was a bigger story.

Big 10 has 14 teams. Do you think they take more than 2? Can't image Ou leaving and not taking OSU. Can't image Big10 not making a run at Texas if OU wants in.

In fairness, I did not see Borens tweet. I had a former player call me the eve before and tell me the following:

Boren was leaving vs being replaced. The cover was his health. In reality, with Bob gone, Boren had no back up. The BOR appreciated Borens service but wanted to move in a different direction. Switching conferences was one of their priorities.

That's it. I asked a few questions and got "we'll see" answers.
However, with that said, if you can't look back and do the math regarding Boren, Stoops and the Big 12 and see that this could be the beginning of the 16 team super conference, and the other conferences going with 16, as well as the beginning of the end of the NCAA power grab-- I just can't help you.

 

[TexExSpur]

This is so wrong, but what should I expect from a bunch on horns?

Boren is 76 years old and his health hasn't been good for the last couple of years. The OU BOR isn't forcing him out, just as no one forced Bob out, but what the heck have your fun.

And, there no rules that require OU to take osu with them if there wanted to go elsewhere.

What kind of high do you all get from doing this stuff? Do you really take yourselves seriously?

Thanks for the laugh.

Will you be happy in the B1G?

 

[HornsRuleU]

The Big Ten used to have academic standards, from top to bottom. Then they added Nebraska, an outlier. So now they're going to add OU and maybe OkSU?

There are 9 better schools in Oklahoma than those two. Nine! And THAT's in Okla-freaking-homa!

 

[2300 Nueces]

In fairness, I did not see Borens tweet. I had a former player call me the eve before and tell me the following:

Boren was leaving vs being replaced. The cover was his health. In reality, with Bob gone, Boren had no back up. The BOR appreciated Borens service but wanted to move in a different direction. Switching conferences was one of their priorities.

That's it. I asked a few questions and got "we'll see" answers.
However, with that said, if you can't look back and do the math regarding Boren, Stoops and the Big 12 and see that this could be the beginning of the 16 team super conference, and the other conferences going with 16, as well as the beginning of the end of the NCAA power grab-- I just can't help you.

This is interesting, the idea of 4 16 team conferences. If you look closely among the PAC, B1G, SEC, ACC, the number of teams in the Big 12, and Notre Dame, you have the numbers needed to fill out 4 power conferences.

I see this:

Texas, TTech, TCU, Baylor to PAC (PAC currently has 12)
OU, OSU to B1G (B1G 14)
KU, KSU to SEC (SEC 14)
WVU and ND to ACC -- (ACC 14)

You could do two 8 team divisions in each conference or do four 4 team pods which would leave us in a pod of the PAC 16 with Tech, TCU, and Baylor.

I admit our pod looks weak; but if our pod can lock down Texas recruiting, then I see Tech, TCU, and Baylor being much stronger. Texas is a given.

 

[owenfieldreams]

In the recent U.S. News and World Report OU was ranked in the top 50 public universities in the U.S. Much of the credit goes to Boren. The campus facilities have been expanded dramatically not to mention the asthetics...it is a gorgeous campus.

 

[TexExSpur]

This is interesting, the idea of 4 16 team conferences. If you look closely, among the PAC, B1G, and SEC the number of teams in the Big 12 (remove W Virginia) and you have the numbers needed to fill out these conferences.

I see this:

Texas, TTech, TCU, Baylor to PAC (PAC currently has 12)
OU, OSU to B1G (B1G 14)
KU, KSU to SEC (SEC 14)
WVU to Acc -- add 1 more here and ACC is @ 16.

You could do two 8 team divisions in each conference or do four 4 team pods which would leave us in a pod of the PAC 16 with Tech, TCU, and Baylor.

I admit this looks like a weak pod in the conference at the moment for football but if we commit to locking out OU and OSU from playing any of us in Texas as well as the SEC teams then I see Tech, TCU, and Baylor being much stronger.

F that West Coast nonsense, even with pods that would likely join Texas and the littles to the Arizona schools.

 

[2300 Nueces]

F that West Coast nonsense, even with pods that would likely join Texas and the littles to the Arizona schools.

I understand but how else does this shake out? We (Texas) need some friends wherever we go. I would like to keep the Big 12 but it looks like OU has other plans. I prefer the Big 12. The reality of a Texas(state not school) conference is unlikely and adding the 4 Texas schools to the PAC makes sense. If we make pods of 4, then we are not tied to AZ. Arizona schools would be tied to CU and Utah.

 

[LonghornMM]

I would love to see all conferences shaken up/realigned and create five new regional/geographic conferences that make sense logistically. Texas going to the Pac 12 or ACC makes no sense logistically.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Looking at the available pieces and the desired goal of 4 16 team conferences to match the cfb playoff, my layout makes sense. With 9 conference games and 4 team pods, we would only have to make 1 west coast trip per year with one west coast team coming here. We would have to play the AZ, ASU, CU, and Utah teams more regularly but what if we kept OU at Dallas and added little bro on Thanksgiving. Not bad, could be worse. I am not for casting off Tech, TCU, and Baylor... too much history and it's not how we treat our fellow Texans. Also, consider the political wranglings it would require to pull off a move without the other 3 schools. We're the hero in this scenario and that's what we should be.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I would love to see all conferences shaken up/realigned and create five new regional/geographic conferences that make sense logistically. Texas going to the Pac 12 or ACC makes no sense logistically.

Only going to be 4 to match CFB playoff.

 

[oldhorn2]

Baylor? They have forfeited any right to be considered. You want to be known as the school that tied itself to Baylor? They are STILL in denial. They dont feel guilty, they feel persecuted.

I hate to see it but if we do change, I think the Big is the best fit, both Scholastically and time zone wise.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Baylor? They have forfeited any right to be considered. You want to be known as the school that tied itself to Baylor? They are STILL in denial. They dont feel guilty, they feel persecuted.

I hate to see it but if we do change, I think the Big is the best fit, both Scholastically and time zone wise.

I understand but it doesn't make sense. The B1G would be WAY overweight. There are times when we are responsible for more than our own selfish interests. Conference re-alignment will be one of those times. We can come out the heroes here. The PAC has a weak TV contract, maybe we keep LHN. TV programming is currently blowing up.... having an intact network ready to roll out programming is an advantage. BTW, which cold environment would you rather travel to, Colorado and Utah or Minnesota and Nebraska?

 

[oldhorn2]

We can play in the winter in Mich and Minnesota easier than they can play early September here.

 

[2300 Nueces]

We can play in the winter in Mich and Minnesota easier than they can play early September here.

Not going to get Mich in our pod/division. In the B1G we get ou, neb, iowa, minn, ill, ind, maybe tosu but probably Northwestern.

I just puked.

 

[bubba2023]

I would love to see all conferences shaken up/realigned and create five new regional/geographic conferences that make sense logistically. Texas going to the Pac 12 or ACC makes no sense logistically.

I would love it to for our sake, but why are all of the conferences going to shake up to accommodate Texas and OU logistics. We are the only ones stuck in no man's land.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I would love it to for our sake, but why are all of the conferences going to shake up to accommodate Texas and OU logistics. We are the only ones stuck in no man's land.

Yes and not only are we stuck geographically but we are also stuck politically within our state(s). My layout is a win for everyone involved. Maybe we can negotiate some perks that help us win more football games.

 

[TX1972]

This is interesting, the idea of 4 16 team conferences. If you look closely, among the PAC, B1G, and SEC the number of teams in the Big 12 (remove W Virginia) and you have the numbers needed to fill out these conferences.

I see this:

Texas, TTech, TCU, Baylor to PAC (PAC currently has 12)
OU, OSU to B1G (B1G 14)
KU, KSU to SEC (SEC 14)
WVU and ND to ACC -- (ACC 14)

You could do two 8 team divisions in each conference or do four 4 team pods which would leave us in a pod of the PAC 16 with Tech, TCU, and Baylor.

I admit this looks like a weak pod in the conference at the moment for football but if we commit to locking out OU and OSU from playing any of us in Texas as well as the SEC teams then I see Tech, TCU, and Baylor being much stronger.

You think anybody will take Baylor?

 

[2300 Nueces]

Yes, if we require it. Remember, we will need friends in a conference that used to revolve around SoCal. Among the 4 Texas schools, that is a lot of TV sets/ internet viewers which will add to our pull.

 

[clob94]

Ruh roh raggy...... Sean eichorst is out as nebraska AD.....

Sooo now make way for trev alberts and scott frost.

 

[bubba2023]

Yes and not only are we stuck geographically but we are also stuck politically within our state(s). My layout is a win for everyone involved. Maybe we can negotiate some perks that help us win more football games.

If we are politically tied to anyone at this point we deserve what we get

 

[2300 Nueces]

If we are politically tied to anyone at this point we deserve what we get

We are not tied to them but state school means state funded and the reps covering Lubbock, Waco, and Ft. Worth will have an axe to grind.

 

[diadevic]

Baylor? They have forfeited any right to be considered. You want to be known as the school that tied itself to Baylor? They are STILL in denial. They dont feel guilty, they feel persecuted.

Denial? How do you come up with that? We fired the President, the AD and the Coach, basically burning the program. Several other long time administrators have been given the boot. In effect we did everything short of giving ourselves the death penalty - not sure what much else there is to do.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Ruh roh raggy...... Sean eichorst is out as nebraska AD.....

Sooo now make way for trev alberts and scott frost.

They are isolated and alone. They have no pipeline to recruit. At least tosu, mich, and penn st. have reasonable recruiting environments within their respective states with little to no competition. Nebraska, not so much. They are basically Wyoming now.

 

[owenfieldreams]

I think U.T. and OU are tied to each other in more ways than one and if and when they make their move it will be together and it will be to a western division of the Big 10.

 

[clob94]

Denial? How do you come up with that? We fired the President, the AD and the Coach, basically burning the program. Several other long time administrators have been given the boot. In effect we did everything short of giving ourselves the death penalty - not sure what much else there is to do.

You're going to keep getting flack for baylor until the general public feels as though you've been handed a blow that is almost impossible to recover from.



That hasn't happened yet. After the Title 9 investigations are over, you'll likely have baylor's head on the chopping block. At that point, public sentiment will be " Ok, ok, you've all but cratered baylor. Give them just enough air to breath and let's move on."

 

[clob94]

They are isolated and alone. They have no pipeline to recruit. At least tosu, mich, and penn st. have reasonable recruiting environments within their respective states with little to no competition. Nebraska, not so much. They are basically Wyoming now.

20 years ago my Nebraska buddy told me this:

With the mega-farmers like conagra etc coming in here and buying all the mom and pop farms up, Nebraska farm kids that are built like tanks will move into the suburbs and end up being like every other kid- lazy. Gone will be out huge walk on program and our ability to always have fresh bodies for practice, and the occasional walk on that becomes all conference."

He was right.

 

[oldhorn2]

the govt and the death tax broke up the family farm. A farm could no longer be passed down(54% death tax all up front) They had to be sold to the conagras and such just to pay the tax on em. It did shut down the "walk on" pipeline that allowed those rich farmers to send their sons to play for Tom and they pay the bill...to give those schollies to Texas kids and such....but I digress...none the less the friend was very correct Clob.

 

[HornsRuleU]

I would love to see all conferences shaken up/realigned and create five new regional/geographic conferences that make sense logistically. Texas going to the Pac 12 or ACC makes no sense logistically.

And I'd like to see gerrymandering go away. But it isn't.

I agree strongly with the sentiment, though, FWIW. Conferences ought to make sense in terms of geography & culture. But this kind of argument lends to Texas staying in the Big 12, which may not survive. If it doesn't, Texas needs to go somewhere.

 

[easttx903]

We can play in the winter in Mich and Minnesota easier than they can play early September here.

are you on dope or dogfood? do you think its going to be any easier for us to go to ann arbor in november and play a night game with the temp at 20 and the wind blowing 20-30mph?

 

[TexExSpur]

The only way the PAC deal would even look somewhat appealing is if Texas, OU, OSU and Tech were the four that formed a pod with the Zona schools.

Baylor and TCU can go hump somebody else's' leg...

 

[2300 Nueces]

The only way the PAC deal would even look somewhat appealing is if Texas, OU, OSU and Tech were the four that formed a pod with the Zona schools.

Baylor and TCU can go hump somebody else's' leg...

So ya, there are a few ways to put the puzzle together and your idea would be fine but I don't think it's the best. Here's why:

1. The first time around the Big 12/Pac 10 union did not work because not all of the universities invited on the Big 12 side wanted to be a part of the PAC 10. I would say that Aggy really, really did not want it because the left coast does not jive with their fake army culture. Secondly, the second university not wanting to be involved with the left coast would have been OU. OU is more of a midwestern state than a southwestern state in terms of culture and I would argue that there are parts of Texas that are more midwestern than southwestern; however, Austin definitely leans southwestern. OU will never join the PAC. They will go SEC b4 PAC.

2. This is the biggest reason imo... recruiting. If OU and OkSU go to the B1G, it's a step down in recruiting exposure. They will have locked themselves out of playing football in Texas. The reason the Oklahoma teams have such great success in recruiting Texas is because they play here regularly so family members can drive to games within Texas and to OK. The greatest example of what the Oklahoma teams will be doing to themselves is Piggie. Need I say more?

3. The B1G western division is going to be the arm pit/black hole of college football. Take a gander at the teams:

Nebraska - Former blue blood but quickly fading into the abyss.
Iowa - Sometimes ok but meh...
Minnesota - What's their mascot again?
Indiana - See Kansas
Illinois - puke
Purdue - puke
Northwestern - puke

Do you ever envision planning a vacation around one of these road trips?

The B1G eastern div will be stellar but they already have their club and we wouldn't be in it... We would be the ones making the western div look better.

4. I stated the puzzle pieces earlier. If Texas, TTech, OkSU, and OU go Pac then where do TCU and Baylor go? They would clearly be prime prizes for any league because of their exposure to Texas recruiting. These schools are private Christian universities and would be an easy fit in the SEC. The SEC would snatch them up in a heartbeat. They would take them over KU and Kstate in a millisecond.

5. We need to button up Texas as much as possible. Keeping Texas, TTech, TCU, and Baylor together would be a home run long term. We keep some in state rivalries and have a pod / division that would be much more manageable. Our potential divisional foes would include AU, ASU, CU, and Utah... these teams are not a great draw for Texas kids so we keep more recruits in-state among the 4 Texas PAC schools. As a group we would get more pub than aggy and aggy would become more irrelevant over time.

****So, keep Texas teams together and push out B1G / SEC while limiting PAC exposure because of distance = a recipe for success. IT's all about recruiting and this will keep more Texas blue chips in state.

 

[thedawg27]

Honestly though, what conference dosnt want us. We bring revenue and ratings. Thats what conferences want. They might even be willing to kick other teams out to allow us in

 

[2300 Nueces]

Honestly though, what conference dosnt want us. We bring revenue and ratings. Thats what conferences want. They might even be willing to kick other teams out to allow us in

We are a prize, yes, but the main goal of these conferences is to get to 16 as quickly as possible with the best 16 schools within geographic reason. I've never seen a school kicked out of a league so that others may join. We did have the combination of some leagues (SWC & Big8) with some schools left out but they were not kicked out of anything. As clob said, "The game is afoot" and the B1G is making the first move. I would bet that the PAC did some bargaining of their own while we had people in LA as well. The key will be, which conference wants to cover the loss of the GOR money for someone to make a move. Texas will sit back and wait. We have the cards.

 

[bubba2023]

No one is bringing us in with the LHN hanging around our necks. Just get the SWC crew back together so we can really flex our muscles about how awesome having your own network is.