OT: New Constitutional Convention

[ceo_longhorn]

Local government is the lesser of two evils. I'll take some place local I can go hold my representative's feet to the proverbial fire over washington dc.

 

[swVAHorn]

Local government is the lesser of two evils. I'll take some place local I can go hold my representative's feet to the proverbial fire over washington dc.

It has to be one or the other? How do you know it's the lesser of 2 "evils"?

Are we One Nation under God or not? I think people don't listen too each other anymore. Minds are closed and mouths are open.

I'm so sick of hearing that my Nations Government is out to get us. Like we are some oppressed society. If only the state Had the power everything would be great?

I live in the greatest Nation on Earth. I don't get the hatred for our way of life.

Is everything perfect? No. 300 million people are not going to agree on everything

Anyone who doesn't love this Country can go straight to hell. I'm done with this crap.

 

[littleton tiger]

I can see merits on both sides of this discussion and agree that tis is by far the greatest nation ever formed. That being said I feel that the federal government is broken and needs to be tweaked in some ways. For instance education should be administered on the state and local level not the federal level. planned parenthood should be privately funded and marriage should be defined by the states where they are performed following the will of the majority imho.

 

[swVAHorn]

I can see merits on both sides of this discussion and agree that tis is by far the greatest nation ever formed. That being said I feel that the federal government is broken and needs to be tweaked in some ways. For instance education should be administered on the state and local level not the federal level. planned parenthood should be privately funded and marriage should be defined by the states where they are performed following the will of the majority imho.

So a rich state can educate their children much better than a poor state? I won't go into the other stuff u said. That is more political leanings than real government issues. If u live in state A great education. State B not so much. Sounds completely fair...not really

 

[diadevic]

So a rich state can educate their children much better than a poor state? I won't go into the other stuff u said. That is more political leanings than real government issues. If u live in state A great education. State B not so much. Sounds completely fair...not really

SWVA and Sholz - this isn't personal. But the 10th amendment to the Constitution reserved all rights to the states which weren't specifically delegated to the feds. Why? Because the fed will end up out of control, drunk on its own power, infringing on individual freedoms. Which is what we have today. Sholz raises a good point on slavery, and swVA raises good points on inconsistencies in criminalizing behavior in one state but legitimizing it in another (see pot today). But the constitution is what it is. If you don't like it, amend it - which is what happened in the case of slavery (unfortunately a little late for the African Americans who came to the south prior to the amendment). I have grave concerns about anyone messing with the constitution, including our governor. What we need are judges and congressmen with the balls to enforce the written word. Sadly, that is lacking.

 

[Scholz]

I'm just curious what freedoms have been infringed on much less lost over the past 7 years. Seems to me the anti-federal government talk (including the right wing militias) raises its head mostly when Democrats are in the White House.

 

[swVAHorn]

SWVA and Sholz - this isn't personal. But the 10th amendment to the Constitution reserved all rights to the states which weren't specifically delegated to the feds. Why? Because the fed will end up out of control, drunk on its own power, infringing on individual freedoms. Which is what we have today. Sholz raises a good point on slavery, and swVA raises good points on inconsistencies in criminalizing behavior in one state but legitimizing it in another (see pot today). But the constitution is what it is. If you don't like it, amend it - which is what happened in the case of slavery (unfortunately a little late for the African Americans who came to the south prior to the amendment). I have grave concerns about anyone messing with the constitution, including our governor. What we need are judges and congressmen with the balls to enforce the written word. Sadly, that is lacking.

Couldn't the State have the same problem? If not why not? Why is the state above not getting drunk on power?

I am glad you got my point. You read exactly how I think about it. I respect other people's view on it. If everyone is treated the same no one has their rights taken.

I don't see it as a Constitutional lawyer. Just a dumb ole citizen.

 

[swVAHorn]

I'm just curious what freedoms have been infringed on much less lost over the past 7 years. Seems to me the anti-federal government talk (including the right wing militias) raises its head mostly when Democrats are in the White House.

I know if I agree with you some will label me but I do kind of agree with you on this point.

What is the federal government taking away from us?

 

[Scholz]

And along those lines, how did Obama expanding background checks affect law abiding citizens getting a firearm in the least?

 

[ryan_sublett]

I'm just curious what freedoms have been infringed on much less lost over the past 7 years. Seems to me the anti-federal government talk (including the right wing militias) raises its head mostly when Democrats are in the White House.

I've asked several people that. No one has ever given me a legit, factual, true answer. Many can't even think of an answer and the ones that do it's often not backed up with facts.

If you want to be truthful America lost more freedom under W than you ever have under Obama when you look at things like the wiretapping without warrants or even cause and things like that. America hasn't lost any freedom but there is so much propaganda and conspiracy out there these days it leads to a lot of bs.

 

[ryan_sublett]

And along those lines, how did Obama expanding background checks affect law abiding citizens getting a firearm in the least?

Agree with this to. If you are legally allowed to purchase a gun it honestly shouldn't bother you. Many employers require a background check. It comes from this idea that it will lead to mass confiscation of guns which of course won't happen ever.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Why would they take that route? They have free access to a fleet of private jets, their food is paid for at the capital dining facility, they get their arse kissed by the media, see themselves on TV at useless crap like- questioning major league baseball players about steroids- spending 110 million dollars of OUR money to prosecute Roger Clemens (they lost btw)- they get millions and millions given to them annually by lobbyists and super PACs, and speaking of lobbyists- ever seen some of the castles, I mean literally castles, that these lobbyists have access to? Free tickets to redskins games or Ravens games or whatever games..... and because they are elected officials, they don't sit with us pleebs, they have luxury boxes. Want to go visit the American embassy in Paris? They get to go for free on a private jet paid for by you and me.

Ya.......... Let's give that up for the "private sector".

Here's all you need to know about DC. Someone did an article a few years back that showed when Congress was in session that the number of top flight, high end escorts in DC would go up by over 8000%! Not 2 times as many, not 10 times as many but 80. 80 times as many girls selling their hoo ha for a few grand an hour.

That's all ya need to know about the swine we've elected.

Eh I don't think being an elected official is as glamorous as you make it out to be. I agree for some it is very much how you describe. I wouldn't say all live the life of luxury that you suggest.

 

[swVAHorn]

And along those lines, how did Obama expanding background checks affect law abiding citizens getting a firearm in the least?

I am big on gun rights as some on here know. I don't mind background checks and in fact I like them. I don't want guns in the wrong hands. But if I'm a law abiding citizen don't take my gun rights away (or any others)!! To me this is a reasonable thing to do that should have already been done.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

The South has shown time and again what states rights actually means. If we're being intellectually honest and all. There should be a floor for human decency and education in this country and federalism has proven to be the only way to ensure that over the history of the US.

You are no student of History. Tell the Japanese about our federal governments human decency. That didn't come from states that was our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!! Don't even get me started with Native Americans.

It was the crown of England, the Federal Government at the time, which allowed slavery to be born in America.

Our Federal Government was setup so that all men are created Equal, but they didn't mean it. It took the civil rights movement to ensure it. The Federal Government stepped in and created what amounts to a redundant amendment. The reason is simple, our Federal Government was a miserable failure at enforcing it's own laws.

Beliefs that the Federal government is the bastion of civil rights morality is not only nieve but the biggest load of BS I've ever read.

If our government was so damn concerned about Civil Rights it might want to stop abusing the civil rights of the rest of the damn world. There is a reason we are so damn hated around the world and most of it has to do with what our government has done to those people.

So yea, even civil rights our government is a failure, and I believe I already said above that it is the job of our government to enforce the Constitution.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

And along those lines, how did Obama expanding background checks affect law abiding citizens getting a firearm in the least?

It Congress created the bill and passed it and then the president signed it into law, I have no complaint.

But by doing this without Congress, it is criminal and goes against the constitution he pledged to uphold.

He is a criminal and should be impeached for this.

If a Republican had done this and outlawed abortion by executive order, I'm absolutely there would be attempts on his life and you would see riots in the streets along with calls for impeachment.

I'm tired of the hippocracy of the lift side

 

[2300 Nueces]

And along those lines, how did Obama expanding background checks affect law abiding citizens getting a firearm in the least?

Creating law by dictate is not lawfull.

 

[swVAHorn]

You are no student of History. Tell

My God. It has actually gotten to the point that States rights are republican and federal rights are democrat. I fu€#g hate what political parties has done to our nation. What is it now? Republicans hate the federal government? Democrats hate states rights? I didn't get the team memos stating what we are supposed to say or think.

The bashing of my country pisses me off. The US is not perfect and never has been but people have died for it.

I'm for the USA over any state. And I LOVE Texas and Virginia.

 

[swVAHorn]

And to those of you who think you are the only human being that truly understands the Constitution. Hahahaha right. You just need to explain how everyone else is wrong and it couldn't possibly be you see it wrong?? The Constitution is a road map not a destination.

 

[swVAHorn]

Creating law by dictate is not lawfull.

It's been done by every single President. If its illegal why not lock these lawbreaker Presidents up? How does it go into law if it's now lawful? I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just curious.

 

[2300 Nueces]

It's been done by every single President. If its illegal why not lock these lawbreaker Presidents up? How does it go into law if it's now lawful? I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just curious.

If you can determine the right or wrong, the answer is simple.

Edit: We have the gov we deserve. As we drift from knowing right or wrong, life will become progressively more difficult. Just sayin

 

[ryan_sublett]

I am big on gun rights as some on here know. I don't mind background checks and in fact I like them. I don't want guns in the wrong hands. But if I'm a law abiding citizen don't take my gun rights away (or any others)!! To me this is a reasonable thing to do that should have already been done.

That's the thing no one has ever that I'm aware of talked about, campaigned on, or tried to take gun rights away. So I don't really get the fear. I own guns, my family has owned guns family hunts. I'm not a big hunter. Nothing against it just not my thing. The pro gun folks lose me Thoug when they start talking about having their rights taken away. That has not come close to happening and never will.

Now those that believe that denying them the right to own rocket launchers and mounting machine guns to their trucks is taking away their guns. Yeah they probably feel like their rights are being taken away. I'm talking about resonable folks though this really shouldn't be an issue.

All of the shouting and fear mongering about guns many people don't realize that Obama is fairly gun friendly. Although he expanded background checks earlier in his presidency he made it legal to take guns in to national parks. So if anything president Obama has expanded gun rights for those acting legaly. Not taken away. The supposed need to protect the 2nd amendment is something the NRA has spent a lot of money to convince people of but the threat isn't real.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Why don't you just answer? What is right for 1 person might be wrong by another. Isn't that the real question?

Why don't you just answer? What is right for 1 person might be wrong by another. Isn't that the real question?

There is a simple answer to our problems. Deny one's wants for the needs of our neighbor. This needs to be done on an individual level and of free will, free from the dictate of the state. For ex., I am a 94 grad. and went to the bball game in ft worth last night. I must say that I am a ashamed of the arrogance and opulence of both Texas and TCU fans/students/graduates. A lot of our countrymen are struggling to make ends meet and we care more about a pissing match than giving freely of our time and treasure to make life better for all americans. This being said, charity comes from the heart and not at the end of a state issued rifle or pen. Our society is bankrupt in so many ways, the fix is going to be very painfull.

 

[swVAHorn]

There is a simple answer to our problems. Deny one's wants for the needs of our neighbor. This needs to be done on an individual level and of free will, free from the dictate of the state. For ex., I am a 94 grad. and went to the bball game in ft worth last night. I must say that I am a ashamed of the arrogance and opulence of both Texas and TCU fans/students/graduates. A lot of our countrymen are struggling to make ends meet and we care more about a pissing match than giving freely of our time and treasure to make life better for all americans. This being said, charity comes from the heart and not at the end of a state issued rifle or pen. Our society is bankrupt in so many ways, the fix is going to be very painfull.

Well said and true.

 

[clob94]

I'm just curious what freedoms have been infringed on much less lost over the past 7 years. Seems to me the anti-federal government talk (including the right wing militias) raises its head mostly when Democrats are in the White House.

Scholz, allow me to name a few that have infringed on my rights over the last 15 years:

As I am neither a Republican or democrat, my 4th ammendment has been violated by both. The "metadata" that is collected on all of us without a warrant is highly illegal and a violation of one of our most sacred rights.
Even though I've had insurance my entire life, because of the changes made by Obamacare, the network I used to belong to has changed and thus, I've been forced to find another physician for my GP. I like my GP so I pay out of pocket because I am fortunate enough to afford it. But the federal government forced me to switch doctors after I was told I'd get to "keep my doctor". Also, even though I'm in great shape, exercise daily, have never had a major claim on my insurance, my premiums went up 37% last year and another 21% for 2016. Prior to that I'd see a modest 2-3% increase annually.

I know the list isn't long but those are two pretty important violations: the constitution and my health care choices......

 

[ryan_sublett]

Clob those are concerns(although the premuim increases are not all obamacare) those aren't really freedoms lost. Who's to say your network wouldn't of changed without obamacare. I know people who had to change doctors because of changes way before obamacare it happens. I don't really see thst as a freedom lost. Obamacare is far from perfect, but it does address some key issues.

As far as the data collecting you are right I brought thst up earlier but that's been going on since 9/11. It's not some super secret Obama conspiercy the way some beleive.

 

[Scholz]

It Congress created the bill and passed it and then the president signed it into law, I have no complaint.

But by doing this without Congress, it is criminal and goes against the constitution he pledged to uphold.

He is a criminal and should be impeached for this.

If a Republican had done this and outlawed abortion by executive order, I'm absolutely there would be attempts on his life and you would see riots in the streets along with calls for impeachment.

I'm tired of the hippocracy of the lift side

Hypocrisy you say? Criminal you say?

Executive Orders:
Reagan - 381
W. Bush - 291
Obama - 227

 

[Scholz]

Beliefs that the Federal government is the bastion of civil rights morality is not only nieve but the biggest load of BS I've ever read.

So which level of the US government ended slavery, enacted civil rights, ended Jim Crow, gave minorities the right to vote, allowed for interracial marriage, etc, Mr Student of History?

Never said the US government is without sin.

 

[swVAHorn]

Scholz, allow me to name a few that have infringed on my rights over the last 15 years:

As I am neither a Republican or democrat, my 4th ammendment has been violated by both. The "metadata" that is collected on all of us without a warrant is highly illegal and a violation of one of our most sacred rights.
Even though I've had insurance my entire life, because of the changes made by Obamacare, the network I used to belong to has changed and thus, I've been forced to find another physician for my GP. I like my GP so I pay out of pocket because I am fortunate enough to afford it. But the federal government forced me to switch doctors after I was told I'd get to "keep my doctor". Also, even though I'm in great shape, exercise daily, have never had a major claim on my insurance, my premiums went up 37% last year and another 21% for 2016. Prior to that I'd see a modest 2-3% increase annually.

I know the list isn't long but those are two pretty important violations: the constitution and my health care choices......

The no warrant thing for sure is a violation of our rights (in my opinion). The doctor thing happens all the time. Insurance companies tell us who is going to be our doctors all the time. We get a "list " to choose from and that's normal. Insurance premiums have been crazy for years. If yours was only 2 to 3% then you hit the lottery with that company. My insurance 1 year went up 64%. My son has a pre existing condition that would have made him uninsurable almost because of costs. It helped him. No caps helped a lot of people too. It didn't really take any "rights " away.

I get your point though. It was said you can keep your doctor.