Our Oline next year

[2300 Nueces]

Is going to be worse by leaps and bounds. Cuney and McMillon are not coming back. That leaves shackleford and kerstetter. Man, that is going to be a disaster.

Que the excuses........ fire the staff, they have failed. How fast til we hear the words "total rebuild"? I kid you not. It's coming and I urge everyone to reject them immediately.

 

[eda5420]

Yeah this team will regress for sure under this staff. Maybe Orlando can pull out a decent season but there will be a lot of talent leaving so it will be tough. My way to early prediction is 4-8 if Matt Campbell stays at Iowa St. 5-7 if he leaves. With wins over Maryland, Tulsa, Kansas, Baylor and possibly Iowa St.

 

[MiccoMacey]

As far as your OLine is concerned, weren’t you guys riddled with injuries?

I always thought that position group struggled due to multiple injuries at multiple positions, including several would-be starters.

I know it was like that when you guys played us.

 

[Cotton #12]

Do you really want to see this OL group back again? I do not!!

 

[Cotton #12]

Yeah this team will regress for sure under this staff. Maybe Orlando can pull out a decent season but there will be a lot of talent leaving so it will be tough. My way to early prediction is 4-8 if Matt Campbell stays at Iowa St. 5-7 if he leaves. With wins over Maryland, Tulsa, Kansas, Baylor and possibly Iowa St.

Great talent does not produce a 6-6 season.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Great talent does not produce a 6-6 season.

That's the point. Talent getting worse. Next year will be bad.

 

[q1w2e3]

Sounds like a late night, probably drunken, knee jerk OP. Worried about Cuney and McMillon graduating? Seriously? Those guys should have never had to start at Texas.

 

[eda5420]

Great talent does not produce a 6-6 season.

It just did though. Year after year we have a top 10 recruiting class and we end up 5-7 or 6-6. I also said under this staff. Herman and co. Have proven that you most definitely can go 6-6 with great talent. But honestly how great is the talent at Texas right now in positions that are more important like the oline and QB.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Sounds like a late night, probably drunken, knee jerk OP. Worried about Cuney and McMillon graduating? Seriously? Those guys should have never had to start at Texas.

Replacements? New parts equal fresh excuses for the staff.... I'm tired of the excuses. Excuses = Fired in private sector.

 

[q1w2e3]

I don't understand where this narrative that Texas has great talent comes from. Do you guys watch the games, and watch other teams? It's obvious Texas does not have "great talent".

Recruiting rankings do not matter at all once the players are actually in college and playing in actual games. You can just use your eyeballs and watch them. And even if you use internet high school recruiting rankings, the current roster is BY FAR the least "talented" roster Texas has had in the internet recruiting era. The two worst classes Texas has EVER had are both on the roster now including the senior class.

Texas has some good talent on defense and it's reflected in the defenses performance over the season. The offense is littered with average players at many positions, very young and inexperienced players, and injuries forcing numerous 2nd and 3rd stringers playing. Just the fact that Texas has started freshman or sophomore QBs every game for the last three seasons straight is mind blowing.

Another huge problem Texas is facing with "talent" is trying to develop players while going through three head coaches over four seasons. Almost every season is a new OC and/or DC and new system after new system along with literally dozens of postion coaching changes.

 

[eda5420]

I don't understand where this narrative that Texas has great talent comes from. Do you guys watch the games, and watch other teams? It's obvious Texas does not have "great talent".

Recruiting rankings do not matter at all once the players are actually in college and playing in actual games. You can just use your eyeballs and watch them. And even if you use internet high school recruiting rankings, the current roster is BY FAR the least "talented" roster Texas has had in the internet recruiting era. The two worst classes Texas has EVER had are both on the roster now including the senior class.

Texas has some good talent on defense and it's reflected in the defenses performance over the season. The offense is littered with average players at many positions, very young and inexperienced players, and injuries forcing numerous 2nd and 3rd stringers playing. Just the fact that Texas has started freshman or sophomore QBs every game for the last three seasons straight is mind blowing.

Another huge problem Texas is facing with "talent" is trying to develop players while going through three head coaches over four seasons. Almost every season is a new OC and/or DC and new system after new system along with literally dozens of postion coaching changes.

I think Texas HAD great talent. Like when the recruits were... well... recruits. Texas for some reason can’t get a coach that can develops talent.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I don't understand where this narrative that Texas has great talent comes from. Do you guys watch the games, and watch other teams? It's obvious Texas does not have "great talent".

Recruiting rankings do not matter at all once the players are actually in college and playing in actual games. You can just use your eyeballs and watch them. And even if you use internet high school recruiting rankings, the current roster is BY FAR the least "talented" roster Texas has had in the internet recruiting era. The two worst classes Texas has EVER had are both on the roster now including the senior class.

Texas has some good talent on defense and it's reflected in the defenses performance over the season. The offense is littered with average players at many positions, very young and inexperienced players, and injuries forcing numerous 2nd and 3rd stringers playing. Just the fact that Texas has started freshman or sophomore QBs every game for the last three seasons straight is mind blowing.

Another huge problem Texas is facing with "talent" is trying to develop players while going through three head coaches over four seasons. Almost every season is a new OC and/or DC and new system after new system along with literally dozens of postion coaching changes.

It's becoming clear that this staff has a talent for pissing off offensive and defensive linemen. Have you looked at the number of transfers and early graduations out of this program since TIm and Tom arrived. It's pathetic. You go Tom, be an ass that'll teach'em. Wait, you're ****ed now.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Sounds like a late night, probably drunken, knee jerk OP. Worried about Cuney and McMillon graduating? Seriously? Those guys should have never had to start at Texas.

Sober since 1998. Drunk with piss n vinegar, yes.

 

[q1w2e3]

It's becoming clear that this staff has a talent for pissing off offensive and defensive linemen. Have you looked at the number of transfers and early graduations out of this program since TIm and Tom arrived. It's pathetic. You go Tom, be an ass that'll teach'em. Wait, you're ****ed now.

Turnover when a new staff staff comes in is completely normal and expected. Guys like Cuney and McMillan retiring after their graduation from school is also completely normal.

 

[q1w2e3]

Again, if any of you can find a worse Texas depth chart on offense in the last 20 years show me.

Just in conference Texas is in the bottom half of the conference in talent at: QB, RB, TE, OL. Only WR could you make even an argument they are in top half.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Again, if any of you can find a worse Texas depth chart on offense in the last 20 years show me.

Just in conference Texas is in the bottom half of the conference in talent at: QB, RB, TE, OL. Only WR could you make even an argument they are in top half.

So, what's our record next year? 8-4 is the expectation. What happens at 4-8?

 

[eda5420]

So, what's our record next year? 8-4 is the expectation. What happens at 4-8?

4-8 if Matt Campbell stays at Iowa St. no way Texas beats them next season

 

[q1w2e3]

So, what's our record next year? 8-4 is the expectation. What happens at 4-8?

LOL you and eda sound y’all need to take a few deep breaths.

Not sure what my guess on record for next year is yet need to see who’s coming back who’s leaving early. However I do know that the schedule which is one of the most difficult in the country this year does soften up a little bit, as well as getting a reset on the injury button.

4-8 is very unlikely, and even if so I doubt anything would happen. Herman will get his chance to turn the ship around as well.

eda, “No way Texas beats ISU/Campbell next year”.....really? Just no way? Such hyperbole Would you bet on that?

 

[2300 Nueces]

LOL you and eda sound y’all need to take a few deep breaths.

Keep breathing... by the end of next year they'll have you in the tuba section.

 

[eda5420]

LOL you and eda sound y’all need to take a few deep breaths.

Yeah you are right. Still amped up after last nights humiliation. Predictions now don’t make sense anyways because nobody knows who’s coming or not coming back.

 

[UTGrad87]

Is going to be worse by leaps and bounds. Cuney and McMillon are not coming back. That leaves shackleford and kerstetter. Man, that is going to be a disaster.

Que the excuses........ fire the staff, they have failed. How fast til we hear the words "total rebuild"? I kid you not. It's coming and I urge everyone to reject them immediately.

Meh, I'm not sure how the OL could be any worse next year than this year. They were exceptionally bad this year. We'll get Vaje and Hudson back plus some of the redshirt guys should be able to contribute now.

What is confounding is that TH doesn't seem concerned with the OL when it comes to recruiting?? Loves lbs and skill position players but not OL's.

Agree the DL will be much worse though.

 

[ekal48]

If we go 4-8 next year we can look back on this thread and think it is a love fest with the staff.

The thread after 4-8 will be a thread from hell.

 

[q1w2e3]

How does the OL get worse? It can only get better. There are no significant losses (Connor missed most the season didn’t have him anyway) and only current players getting healthy, more experienced, bigger/stronger.

Don’t think the DL gets worse either. Only decent player lost is Poona.

4-8 is not the most likely result that would fall on the outside of the curve.

 

[freeper]

Meh, I'm not sure how the OL could be any worse next year than this year. They were exceptionally bad this year. We'll get Vaje and Hudson back plus some of the redshirt guys should be able to contribute now.

What is confounding is that TH doesn't seem concerned with the OL when it comes to recruiting?? Loves lbs and skill position players but not OL's.

Agree the DL will be much worse though.

^^^THIS.....I just looked over the commit list and I see only two OL....and they are both 3 stars. Alabama building a line we ain't....

 

[LonghornMM]

^^^THIS.....I just looked over the commit list and I see only two OL....and they are both 3 stars. Alabama building a line we ain't....

And any program doesn't want true fish playing OL. Hopefully Texas gets a couple of juco O-linemen.

 

[DrinkToIt]

We have to get a few more OL. One way or another. Its a must or next year wont be any better.

 

[bschroed21]

How does the OL get worse? It can only get better. There are no significant losses (Connor missed most the season didn’t have him anyway) and only current players getting healthy, more experienced, bigger/stronger.

Don’t think the DL gets worse either. Only decent player lost is Poona.

4-8 is not the most likely result that would fall on the outside of the curve.

Agreed. Cuney will not be missed and we didn’t have Connor for most of the year. If surgery recoveries go well, I think we’ll have six guys that could be solid. Rodriguez, Vaje, Schack, Hudson, Kerstetter, Okafor. Not sure about any depth behind those guys. Rodriguez and Hudson would have made a huge difference this season, had they stayed healthy. I’m not ready to bail on Herman. He was a strip fumble, two stupid interceptions and a blown coverage (OU) away from this thread not even existing. Instead, we’d all be talking about how he was able to win with a triage unit of back-up O-linemen. Obviously, that’s not the case. It is eerie how similar this was to Strong’s first season. A few big games that year were near misses and would have changed the narrative, at least temporarily. We will see. We will see.

 

[DHHorn]

Don't forget about TE, will Andrew Beck be back? Also Brewer and Leiteo will have gained weight and strength which should help them be better blockers. Having no TE that can block killed many plays.

 

[TexExSpur]

The OL may have a fighting chance next season. LT (Kerstetter) LG (Vahe) C (Shack) RG (Hudson) RT (Rodriguez) This will be whom I think take the starter roles..


Health will continue to be the main question.

 

[bubba2023]

I guess it depends on the direction this team goes offensively. Some schemes can make better due out of a just an average line. Also some QBs as well. Sam is certainly the better runner, but I don't think either of our guys can be good QBs behind anything less than a solid OL, and I wouldn't call that line solid.

 

[TexExSpur]

I like what I'm seeing out of Kerstetter!

That line would be a Soph LT, Sr LG, Jr C, RS Soph RG and RS Sr RT.

With Oakfor, Cosmi, Urquidez and Imade for rotation plus They'll land 1 to 2 JUCO kids and 3-4 more prospects.

McMillon, would have never played out with healthy Hudson (was looking good)
Nickelson would have never played out with health Rodriguez

Kerstetter still would have played RT or LT when Williams was down.

 

[lupar_horns]

I don't understand where this narrative that Texas has great talent comes from. Do you guys watch the games, and watch other teams? It's obvious Texas does not have "great talent".

Recruiting rankings do not matter at all once the players are actually in college and playing in actual games. You can just use your eyeballs and watch them. And even if you use internet high school recruiting rankings, the current roster is BY FAR the least "talented" roster Texas has had in the internet recruiting era. The two worst classes Texas has EVER had are both on the roster now including the senior class.

Texas has some good talent on defense and it's reflected in the defenses performance over the season. The offense is littered with average players at many positions, very young and inexperienced players, and injuries forcing numerous 2nd and 3rd stringers playing. Just the fact that Texas has started freshman or sophomore QBs every game for the last three seasons straight is mind blowing.

Another huge problem Texas is facing with "talent" is trying to develop players while going through three head coaches over four seasons. Almost every season is a new OC and/or DC and new system after new system along with literally dozens of postion coaching changes.

Again, we lost 3 games because Elinger threw three interceptions at the end of the games (OU/OSU/Tech). Hey Beck, run the ****ing ball..seriously. Texas doesn't have talent that is any worse that TCU's. Patterson seems to do ok year by year with recruiting classes that are well below UT's.

 

[thedawg27]

I like what I'm seeing out of Kerstetter!

That line would be a Soph LT, Sr LG, Jr C, RS Soph RG and RS Sr RT.

With Oakfor, Cosmi, Urquidez and Imade for rotation plus They'll land 1 to 2 JUCO kids and 3-4 more prospects.

McMillon, would have never played out with healthy Hudson (was looking good)
Nickelson would have never played out with health Rodriguez

Kerstetter still would have played RT or LT when Williams was down.

Thank you!!! I like this dude and he’s only a freshman. Lots of playing time and he’s battle tested (I believe he had to go up against Orlando Brown in the OU game). Should be much improved after spring and summer practices

 

[lord_caesar]

The defense will have a drop off next year too assuming all the guys who are expected to turn pro do so.

 

[downstairs48]

And Joe Heironimus.