potential replacements (if...)

[collegebaseball10]

Obviously IF strong is fired (which I think the majority agrees will happen this year), who do we target? I think it'll obviously have to be a splash hire since UT demands quick results. The team is young and setup for some long-term success with the current young team, so it wouldn't be a bad job. I think the horns really need to get someone that handles the media well this time around, Mack was the master and Charlie really lacks what the Longhorn Network needs. That being said...

1) ART BRILES: Hard to say if the Horns would take this risk with everything surrounding Baylor, but we went after him once. In a pure football sense, he's a home run hire. He turned Baylor from a door mat to a powerhouse, he can recruit in Texas with the best, and he is an offensive coach all-star. If you pair him up with a talented defensive coordinator, it could be a great hire. He would be great on Longhorn Network too.

2) TOM HERMAN: I know everyone is quick to crown Herman, but I think we need to pump the breaks a bit. He's only in his second year and while he's an offensive guru and would be great on longhorn network and his players love him, he's had the services of an elite QB both years. So did Strong at Louisville, and we've seen first hand the difference in coaching and coaching with an elitr-level NFL quarterback, and it's a different ballgame.

3) BOBBY PETRINO: Good recruiter, great offensive coach, has done great things at Louisville. Troubled past. Pair with a great DC.

4) GARY PATTERSON: Looking for a new challenge from TCU?

5) BILL O'BRIEN: Would he come back to college? Interesting to think about, and would be great with the media. He did good things with walk-on players at Penn State.

It wouldn't happen because it wouldn't be a splash hire, but Scott Satterfield at Applachian State is an up-and-comer.

A list candidates to will likely be fired and available (I would avoid all): helfrich at oregon, kelly at notre dame, helton at usc

Thoughts?

 

[ryan_sublett]

I don't think Texas(or any major program) is going to mess with Briles and Petrino. Just to much baggage there. Patterson probably wouldn't come either. Bill O'Brien is an interesting guy I thought of today as well.

I think the real and practical list is something like this.

Jim McElven-Florida
Gus Malzahn-Aubrun
Tom Herman Houston
Brian Harsin- Bosie

I'd bet a decent amount of money one of those 4 guys will be on the sideline in 2017

Guys like John Harbaugh and Bill O'Brien are long shot sleepers right now

 

[rrwalls]

Dana Holgorsen is better than all them. Texas, you guys should be dominating like Alabama . Texas is a superpower, or should be ,great School, strong Academics, first rate facilities, recruiting advantage. Go after Jimbo Fisher

 

[DC3.0ppg]

you call urban just to see. he won't be interested. but you call him.

then david shaw.

if still no interest, chris peterson.

there's the list. start acting like the jonses, for crying out loud.

 

[ryan_sublett]

If Shaw ever leaves Stanford I think it's for the NFL

 

[clob94]

Art--- criminal and stank
Herman-- flavor of the month no experience
Petrino--- Bike ride anybody?
Patterson-- Oil deals with boosters that net him 2-3 times what his contract pay is
O'Brian--- How's it working out in Houston??
Jim McElvan--- what has he done?
Gus--- four weeks ago he was getting fired
Harsin---- uh--- didn't he used to coach here?

 

[ryan_sublett]

Art--- criminal and stank
Herman-- flavor of the month no experience
Petrino--- Bike ride anybody?
Patterson-- Oil deals with boosters that net him 2-3 times what his contract pay is
O'Brian--- How's it working out in Houston??
Jim McElvan--- what has he done?
Gus--- four weeks ago he was getting fired
Harsin---- uh--- didn't he used to coach here?

I'm curious Clob. Who do you want? You have cramped on nearly every suggestion. I will say yeah most thought coming in to the season Malzahn was done but that's mainly because Aubrun loves running off coaches.

 

[clob94]

I'm curious Clob. Who do you want? You have cramped on nearly every suggestion. I will say yeah most thought coming in to the season Malzahn was done but that's mainly because Aubrun loves running off coaches.

Sent an email off today with suggestions. I'll get back to you if they bother getting back to me (doubt it).

Look, there's some bruised egos in Belmont right now. The last coaching search was a flaming sh!t show where multiple billionaires got their ego stepped on. Now, I'm not saying they did or didn't have it coming-- BUT when you've got billionaires that have given 10's or hundreds of millions to your school, you should at least hear what they have to say. At least listen.....
So Belmont will probably go into full "ghost mode, stealth, lock down" after the last sh!t show. It wouldn't surprise me if chip and ketch even get the silent treatment. We simply can't have the circus atmosphere we had last time. Get this one wrong, and we're staring down the barrel of a loaded gun for quite some time.

 

[dtrain87]

A David Shaw clone would have been perfect three years back. Pro style offense, great QB guru, plays hard nosed ball, plays tough defense and has played defense against spread teams... He is also an attention to details guy, high character, and wins conference multiple times, BUT love bay area and is a Stanford alum and former player...

 

[clob94]

Jesus H christ---- it's like ketch read my email....

Anybody seen his list yet? I just got bombarded with emails about it....

 

[ryan_sublett]

I think your right there was to much stuff going on even the year before Mack was fired. Although I'm expecting this to be a shit show because Mike Perrin is basically a booster running the Department and his baseball search last spring was uh less than organized. Not expecting much different. I think the smartest move the boosters and admin could make right now is to go get Oliver luck or another supremely qualified person and stick them in the AD chair effective immedetly. That's what you do if you want a tight search.

They need to target a reasonable guy and go get him. You aren't luring urban Meyer here. So figure out through back channels who you can get and make it happen. There is to much screwing around with guys who are pipe dreams or the wrong choices.

 

[RainyTX81]

The odds of Texas luring a top coach away from a big program are slim to none. Tomlin and Harbaugh are a pipe dream, not gonna happen. Petrino isn't leaving Louisville and I remember everyone wanting Harsin gone when he was OC. I haven't heard Chad Morris' name mentioned. I for one want Chip Kelly if/when he's done at SF which looks to be sooner than later.

 

[ryan_sublett]

The odds of Texas luring a top coach away from a big program are slim to none. Tomlin and Harbaugh are a pipe dream, not gonna happen. Petrino isn't leaving Louisville and I remember everyone wanting Harsin gone when he was OC. I haven't heard Chad Morris' name mentioned. I for one want Chip Kelly if/when he's done at SF which looks to be sooner than later.

I agree with Tomlin being a pipe dream. Harbaugh may not be. With his dad being a college coach, brother at Michigan and brother in law being the head basketball coach at Indiana I could see there being an appeal for college. Plus the Ravens talent level is depleting. I think he's a long shot but not as long as Harsin.

As far as Harsin. David Ash and Case McCoy would get anyone fired. He's on his way to his 2nd double digit win season in 4 years as a head coach. He's on his way to his 4th bowl game in 4 years and is 2-0 in bowl games(didn't coach the bowl game with ark state). I'd say the guy can clearly coach. If Harsin was at Houston instead of Bosie he'd be the hot name.

 

[clob94]

Tomlin is a bit of a stretch but the juice is worth the squeeze.

John Harbaugh is ripe for the picking.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

The odds of Texas luring a top coach away from a big program are slim to none. Tomlin and Harbaugh are a pipe dream, not gonna happen. Petrino isn't leaving Louisville and I remember everyone wanting Harsin gone when he was OC. I haven't heard Chad Morris' name mentioned. I for one want Chip Kelly if/when he's done at SF which looks to be sooner than later.

If Texas goes into it thinking "We are Texas" and expects guys to kiss their asses, then yes, you are correct, we won't get any of the top guys.

However, if we go into this search ready to put on the full court press to bring in our target, then there is no reason we won't get him.

Here is what we need to make it happen.

1. We need a committee of our leadership and a few choice boosters to sit down and hammer out a list of guys.

2. No one needs to know, that means everyone on that committee is silent.

No one is brought in, everyone is interviewed over video.

Top guy is given a package appropriate for his experience.

Last time it was a total shit show, that doesn't need to happen again. Too many hunters will scare off the big game.

There are guys out there in the NFL that would kill to coach at Texas.

The college game offers much more stability than the pro game.
You are elevated to god status if you win, especially at Texas
In the pros, you have to earn your paycheck, in college there are people lining up to give you money. Saban was a total failure in the Pros and he is the best on this level. NFL coaches sees this, and all of them are thinking, Imagine what I could do on the college level especially at a school like Texas.

With that said, hell yea, we go after the best and we come in with a can't miss package and a list of why he needs to be at Texas. We show him we are going to be united around him. If after all that he says no, then we call our contacts in the IRS and have him audited because he is making some Illegal dollars somewhere.

 

[DHHorn]

I don't think college is that attractive to most NFL coaches. I personally would hate to have to travel around and kiss a bunch of highschoolers butts every week only to have them leave you waiting on signing day. I bet recruiting is a major turn off to a bunch of them.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Jesus H christ---- it's like ketch read my email....

Anybody seen his list yet? I just got bombarded with emails about it....

I haven't seen his list yet is it out yet?
I do like the Harbaugh comment

 

[oldhorn2]

what is a turn off to them is too damned many rules....too much that controls their career that has nothing to do with coaching.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I don't think college is that attractive to most NFL coaches. I personally would hate to have to travel around and kiss a bunch of highschoolers butts every week only to have them leave you waiting on signing day. I bet recruiting is a major turn off to a bunch of them.

No different than free agency. For a guy like Harbaugh, he sees his brother and the fun he is having. In the pros, you can never have too many skins on the wall. Look at Tom Laundry and the way he was canned. It took a child molestation to get Joe Paterno fired at Penn State. It took several rapes to get Art Briles out at Baylor.

College plays about 8 fewer games than the pros, that also helps.

I will go back to John Harbough who is one of my top picks. He is in a tough situation at Baltimore, He has a decent QB with a bloated contract, he has a good team but he isn't challenging for a superbowl anytime soon. He sees his brother at Michigan that is a OSU win away from the playoffs. His brother is making recruiting look easy, not to mention, in this state, all he has to do is walk in wearing his superbowl ring and recruiting becomes really easy especially in Texas. Every Texas high school coach respects him.

John Harbaugh at Texas is like releasing the Kracken on the rest of college football. Now imagine if he brought in Ray Lewis as our DC Talk about impressing a kid. I had Ray Lewis in my house for dinner.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

what is a turn off to them is too damned many rules....too much that controls their career that has nothing to do with coaching.

I'd take the rules over the egos of the NFL, not to mention all the BS that is turning the NFL into the no fun league.

 

[clob94]

I don't think college is that attractive to most NFL coaches. I personally would hate to have to travel around and kiss a bunch of highschoolers butts every week only to have them leave you waiting on signing day. I bet recruiting is a major turn off to a bunch of them.

Jim Harbaugh announces prom queens......

Seems to be working for him.

 

[RainyTX81]

No different than free agency. For a guy like Harbaugh, he sees his brother and the fun he is having. In the pros, you can never have too many skins on the wall. Look at Tom Laundry and the way he was canned. It took a child molestation to get Joe Paterno fired at Penn State. It took several rapes to get Art Briles out at Baylor.

College plays about 8 fewer games than the pros, that also helps.

I will go back to John Harbough who is one of my top picks. He is in a tough situation at Baltimore, He has a decent QB with a bloated contract, he has a good team but he isn't challenging for a superbowl anytime soon. He sees his brother at Michigan that is a OSU win away from the playoffs. His brother is making recruiting look easy, not to mention, in this state, all he has to do is walk in wearing his superbowl ring and recruiting becomes really easy especially in Texas. Every Texas high school coach respects him.

John Harbaugh at Texas is like releasing the Kracken on the rest of college football. Now imagine if he brought in Ray Lewis as our DC Talk about impressing a kid. I had Ray Lewis in my house for dinner.

It's a good point you make about Harbaugh. Could you imagine him coaching and Ray Lewis coaching on the defense!!?? The though gives me chills. One thing is certain, the kids would be ready to get down every Saturday.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I imagine John Harbaugh would surround himself with ace recruiting types. The head coaches go in and seal the deal. The assistants do a lot of the leg work in recruiting

 

[RainyTX81]

John Harbaugh HC, Ray Lewis coaching LB's and Ed Reed coaching DB's. Imagine how easy it would be to lure recruits in with the opportunity of playing for theses guys. A guy can dream right?

 

[ryan_sublett]

John Harbaugh HC, Ray Lewis coaching LB's and Ed Reed coaching DB's. Imagine how easy it would be to lure recruits in with the opportunity of playing for theses guys. A guy can dream right?

Sounds nice. Don't think Ray has much interest in coaching right now. Ed reed does from what I've read.

 

[LonghornMM]

Jesus H christ---- it's like ketch read my email....

Anybody seen his list yet? I just got bombarded with emails about it....

I haven't seen Ketch's list, but it would be interesting to see. Who all do you think are realistic candidates?

 

[Son of Wasatch]

The thing to avoid is the freak show we had 3 years ago. It's a true statement that too many hunters will scare off the big game. We need to avoid any information until we have a deal in place. It's going to still be a side show, but hopefully we keep it down to one or two guys before we get our man.

My Opinion, I'm just not seeing a single college guy that makes me think he is a 100% sure thing at Texas. All the guys I like are in the NFL.

 

[westx]

I would also love John Harbaugh as a HC. I just wonder the family fighting competition at the Harbaugh household if John were to go to college and whip up on little brother again. I bet there has been some peace with one at college and one in the pros.

 

[LonghornMM]

A few thoughts, in my opinion, of guys who have been mentioned:

David Shaw - isn't going to leave Stanford, and if he does, it would be to the NFL
Art Briles - Texas isn't going to consider him due to his issues at Baylor
Mike Leach - Texas isn't going to consider him
Chris Peterson - can't see him leaving Washington. He was supposed to be the heir apparent to Mack Brown, but I understand he was turned off towards Texas the way Harsin was treated
Urban Meyer- isn't going to leave OSU
Gary Patterson - isn't going to leave TCU
Mike Tomlin - isn't going to leave Pittsburgh
Jim Harbaugh - isn't going to leave Michigan
Jimbo Fisher - don't think he will leave FSU. The only job he might leave for is LSU
Bobby Petrino - same situation as Briles
Dabo Swinney - isn't going to leave Clemson
Dana Holgorson - Texas isn't going to consider him
Sean Payton - isn't going to leave New Orleans
Bill O'Brien - Texas isn't going to consider him

So, if that is the case, as mentioned above, then who are realistic candidates?

Brian Harsin
John Harbaugh
Hugh Freeze
Larry Fedora
Gus Malzahn
Kyle Willingham
Tom Herman
Mike Gundy
Chip Kelly

We have to be realistic. Texas isn't going to go out and hire just anyone who they want. I think we learned that the last go-round. There could be some candidates that I didn't list, but that is probably a pretty good, realistic list. Feel free to add more names or comments.

Hook'em!

 

[CAHorn47]

If Shaw ever leaves Stanford I think it's for the NFL

Given what's happening on The Farm, not sure we want Shaw.

 

[CAHorn47]

The odds of Texas luring a top coach away from a big program are slim to none. Tomlin and Harbaugh are a pipe dream, not gonna happen. Petrino isn't leaving Louisville and I remember everyone wanting Harsin gone when he was OC. I haven't heard Chad Morris' name mentioned. I for one want Chip Kelly if/when he's done at SF which looks to be sooner than later.

Larry Fedora, anyone? Last time we poached from UNC it turned out pretty well (until it didint').

 

[ryan_sublett]

The thing to avoid is the freak show we had 3 years ago. It's a true statement that too many hunters will scare off the big game. We need to avoid any information until we have a deal in place. It's going to still be a side show, but hopefully we keep it down to one or two guys before we get our man.

My Opinion, I'm just not seeing a single college guy that makes me think he is a 100% sure thing at Texas. All the guys I like are in the NFL.

I don't think there are many 100% guys out there. I really do think Gus Malzahn is a near 100% guy though. A guy like Harsin would be more of a risk but I think he's the real deal

 

[ryan_sublett]

Given what's happening on The Farm, not sure we want Shaw.

Eh. At a place like Stanford your going to have down years from time to time. It's not a place where your going to be 9-12 wins every year. I kind of view Aubrun the same way. I know Aubrun fans would disagree but I think they are capable of a 2-3 year run of being in the title picture but it's hard to be sustained. That's why I think Malzahn would be a HR hire

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

If ya wanna win ya need Leach with a good def Coordinator, with the QB's we have now and are getting, they would be slinging the hell outa the FB



Hook'em

 

[Son of Wasatch]

So it is looking like Tom Herman is the guy. I have no solid information except Charlie Strong has a closed door meeting with Perrin, and then many of our players start following Tom Herman on Twitter.

Might mean nothing, or it might mean we have our man.