Sam--- be very careful my friend

[clob94]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3100347002


This is an old argument but Sam needs to be careful here. It's one thing to be finished with school and voice your opinion about this, it's another to be making an issue of it when you still have two years of eligibility left.

Tread lightly young man.

 

[LonghornMM]

Not this stuff again. Yes, Ehlinger needs to be careful what he says. College sports has become a business.However, when these kids sign on the dotted line, they know in advance what they're signing up for, which is a pretty sweet deal. Full scholarship (tuition, books, meals, room & board, travel, accolades, prestige, etc.). They pay for nothing. The value that they're getting at Texas is worth approximately $250K or more.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I never understood why a kid couldn't make money off of their likeness and name?

I know exactly what will change that, all it would take is for another league to pop up that picks high school kids and gives them an option outside of college. Once you see top 100 kids picking the paycheck over the education you will see the NCAA change their tune about paying players.

 

[speedstrength]

According to the UT website full cost of attendance (tuition, fees, room, board, books) is 25,440. If football was like baseball there would be high level talent that would make significantly more than that straight out of high school. Most of the guys drafted in the first few rounds of the mlb draft will make significantly more than 25,440 that it cost to go to UT and they will have something written into their contract that the club will pay for their college if they don't make it to the majors. If you go to the later rounds there are plenty of high school kids signing for 125,000 plus their rookie ball 1,300 per month salary which is more than the cost of the 4 years an instate kid would pay at UT. I can see why some of the marquee guys are looking at high school kids or one and done guys in basketball signing for big money while they are working for something that is far less valuable than what they could earn on the open market.

 

[CoachEmUp64]

I never understood why a kid couldn't make money off of their likeness and name?

I know exactly what will change that, all it would take is for another league to pop up that picks high school kids and gives them an option outside of college. Once you see top 100 kids picking the paycheck over the education you will see the NCAA change their tune about paying players.

I'm with you there! If the school is making big bucks off selling jerseys with their likeness and name the kid should get a %. Maybe put it in a money market or bank account and they can get it when they graduate with their degree or when they leave for NFL?

 

[horn4life11]

Not this stuff again. Yes, Ehlinger needs to be careful what he says. College sports has become a business.However, when these kids sign on the dotted line, they know in advance what they're signing up for, which is a pretty sweet deal. Full scholarship (tuition, books, meals, room & board, travel, accolades, prestige, etc.). They pay for nothing. The value that they're getting at Texas is worth approximately $250K or more.

Yes. Although an argument can made for paying college athletes (ad is it only football or all sports) another argument can be made about the value of the free college education these young men are getting. There are a hell of a lot of parents out there who are sacrificing tons to send their kids to college and a lot of college students that are facing an unbelievable amount of student loan debt facing them for the next 30 years or more. Just something to think about.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3100347002


This is an old argument but Sam needs to be careful here. It's one thing to be finished with school and voice your opinion about this, it's another to be making an issue of it when you still have two years of eligibility left.

Tread lightly young man.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I never understood why a kid couldn't make money off of their likeness and name?

I know exactly what will change that, all it would take is for another league to pop up that picks high school kids and gives them an option outside of college. Once you see top 100 kids picking the paycheck over the education you will see the NCAA change their tune about paying players.

But who would watch a ****ing rec league. UT is my school. I hate the nfl. College Football is the only sport I watch. I turn the TV off after cfb ends.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I'm all for them getting a cut off of their likeness. Jersey's, signed pics, video games ect but am completely against any University paying for services a la Pony Express, even though the ability to do so would give us an unfair advantage.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Yes. Although an argument can made for paying college athletes (ad is it only football or all sports) another argument can be made about the value of the free college education these young men are getting. There are a hell of a lot of parents out there who are sacrificing tons to send their kids to college and a lot of college students that are facing an unbelievable amount of student loan debt facing them for the next 30 years or more. Just something to think about.

Yes, a college education is still extremely valuable....but if one is too stupid to value it, then let them suffer in a minor league for 25k a year. LJH is going to find out all too quickly. If I were UT, I would stop paying for the scholly when they stop playing college football.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Yes. Although an argument can made for paying college athletes (ad is it only football or all sports) another argument can be made about the value of the free college education these young men are getting. There are a hell of a lot of parents out there who are sacrificing tons to send their kids to college and a lot of college students that are facing an unbelievable amount of student loan debt facing them for the next 30 years or more. Just something to think about.

Those students aren't worth, what these recruits are to the school. Big difference and nothing to think about.

 

[SavigeHorn]

According to the UT website full cost of attendance (tuition, fees, room, board, books) is 25,440. If football was like baseball there would be high level talent that would make significantly more than that straight out of high school. Most of the guys drafted in the first few rounds of the mlb draft will make significantly more than 25,440 that it cost to go to UT and they will have something written into their contract that the club will pay for their college if they don't make it to the majors. If you go to the later rounds there are plenty of high school kids signing for 125,000 plus their rookie ball 1,300 per month salary which is more than the cost of the 4 years an instate kid would pay at UT. I can see why some of the marquee guys are looking at high school kids or one and done guys in basketball signing for big money while they are working for something that is far less valuable than what they could earn on the open market.

That's the true cost, not these overinflated numbers that keep popping up.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Y'all keep talking about this free education. Free my ass. That's some oversimplified BS. If it's free, why don't you "freebies" have one. It's not free...they go out to those that they think can give MORE back in return, through their play. It's a business, but some fans are only thinking of themselves and all of a sudden hate capitalism. Why can't they make money off their name? Other students on a "free" ride can make money off their name, why the prejudice against athletes being able to do the same. There are no good reasons.

Sam shouldn't hold his tongue. Things are changing for the better, and I love that he is speaking his mind. Tread lightly for what? What are they going to do to him? Keep standing for something Sam.

 

[SavigeHorn]

If I were UT, I would stop paying for the scholly when they stop playing college football.

Yeah do that, and watch the recruits and money they lose. They know who the breadwinners are. They know where the billions come from in college football...and it's not these over paid coaches. Why do you "socialist" hate capitalism?

 

[westx]

Sam shouldn't hold his tongue.

Tread lightly is the right advice. It isn't that easy. I can just imagine the bidding and corruption that could happen. It already happens under the table. I would be okay for something more for their likeness, but, even that can be used to funnel money in a way not intended. It wouldn't be just fans buying shirts, it would be boosters overpaying with no ceiling. It isn't that easy man. Sam is a smart young man, but, young and naive in certain ways.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Tread lightly is the right advice. It isn't that easy. I can just imagine the bidding and corruption that could happen. It already happens under the table. I would be okay for something more for their likeness, but, even that can be used to funnel money in a way not intended. It wouldn't be just fans buying shirts, it would be boosters overpaying with no ceiling. It isn't that easy man. Sam is a smart young man, but, young and naive in certain ways.

It's the right advice for you guys and those that are like minded. It doesn't fit him and his cause, along with many of us that will support them. So for him, I disagree that it's good advise. Why be scared of being a part of change? Bidding and corruption already happen, and it will never stop. I'm over the fake morals, as the crooks continue to pocket the cash. You're making up reasons not to do it. Give me substance, not what might happen. That's a lazy and watered down argument. Making billions off their names, without them being able to make money off their name is corruption. And it is that easy to allow them to make money off their name. It's a very simple thing, and it will eventually happen. You're concerned about your entertainment, and not doing what's right by the kids making the money. If that's not what you're concerned about, then why not complain about other students (non athletes) on a free ride, making money. That's prejudice and selfishness. What's right is right.

Naive he is not. Sam hasn't been brainwashed. Sam hasn't been conditioned to punk out, because big money is involved. America loves capitalism until...

 

[SavigeHorn]

Where did all these capitalism hating "socialist" come from? Fandom is a helluva drug and a selfish hobby. But but but, the purity of the sport. Yeah f!@#$%^ right.

 

[westx]

It's the right advise for you guys and those that are like minded. It doesn't fit him and his cause, along with many of us that will support them. So for him, I disagree that it's good advise. Why be scared of being a part of change? Bidding and corruption already happen, and it will never stop. I'm over the fake morals, as the crooks continue to pocket the cash. You're making up reasons not to do it. Give me substance, not what might happen. That's a lazy and watered down argument. Making billions off their names, without them being able to make money off their name is corruption. And it is that easy to allow them to make money off their name. It's a very simple thing, and it will eventually happen. You're concerned about your entertainment, and not doing what's right by the kids making the money. If that's not what you're concerned about, then why not complain about other students (non athletes) on a free ride, making money. That's prejudice and selfishness. What's right is right.

Naive he is not. Sam hasn't been brainwashed. Sam hasn't been conditioned to punk out, because big money is involved. America loves capitalism until...

Damn, man. If you are looking for someone to fight and put a ton of time and energy into winning an argument, I am NOT that guy. Why so pissed? Most of us on here just log on to "shoot sh*t" for a little while. Keep looking, there is somebody that may take the bait. BTW, you have decent points on reasons for pay for play, but, all I am saying is there are so many red flags and collateral damage that can occur.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Damn, man. If you are looking for someone to fight and put a ton of time and energy into winning an argument, I am NOT that guy. Why so pissed? Most of us on here just log on to "shoot sh*t" for a little while. Keep looking, there is somebody that may take the bait. BTW, you have decent points on reasons for pay for play, but, all I am saying is there are so many red flags and collateral damage that can occur.

Not mad at all, I'm just passionate and say what I mean, based on the information put before me. I don't do any childish baiting...why would that even be necessary?

 

[Longyac]

According to the UT website full cost of attendance (tuition, fees, room, board, books) is 25,440. If football was like baseball there would be high level talent that would make significantly more than that straight out of high school. Most of the guys drafted in the first few rounds of the mlb draft will make significantly more than 25,440 that it cost to go to UT and they will have something written into their contract that the club will pay for their college if they don't make it to the majors. If you go to the later rounds there are plenty of high school kids signing for 125,000 plus their rookie ball 1,300 per month salary which is more than the cost of the 4 years an instate kid would pay at UT. I can see why some of the marquee guys are looking at high school kids or one and done guys in basketball signing for big money while they are working for something that is far less valuable than what they could earn on the open market.

Now add in a private state of the art gym with great personal trainers, massage therapists, hydro therapy, different nutrition than the rest of the students supervised by professional dietitians, intense personal coaching to make you the best you can be, a separate medical staff, academic tutors, $10K stipend, chartered plane travel, hotels, bowl swag, hundred dollar handshakes, set for life in sales jobs, etc. and that value more like $200-250K a year.

 

[Belldozer1]

Not mad at all, I'm just passionate and say what I mean, based on the information put before me. I don't do any childish baiting...why would that even be necessary?

Listen sumbitch, horn on horn carnage never gets old but you need to slow your roll before us mods get aggravated.

 

[speedstrength]

Now add in a private state of the art gym with great personal trainers, massage therapists, hydro therapy, different nutrition than the rest of the students supervised by professional dietitians, intense personal coaching to make you the best you can be, a separate medical staff, academic tutors, $10K stipend, chartered plane travel, hotels, bowl swag, hundred dollar handshakes, set for life in sales jobs, etc. and that value more like $200-250K a year.

Minor league baseball gets all that too and they still get their money.

 

[mm42]

I have no idea why all these high school kids go to all these camps, pay for trainers, etc... and then get all excited when they get offered by their dream school. Just to be disappointed in the end. I have no idea why any 19 year old kid would want to play college football. Sure you get to be big man on campus, go to school for free, have your ass kissed constantly, have old men give you $100 handshakes, and a huge headstart with the ladies.

It is almost as if fans cheer for the name on the front of the Jersey, not the back.

I do believe their should be a place for kids who don't want to go to college. Kind of like the G league in the NBA. Then they could decide to go to college and play for free in games people care about or make a few bucks and play in games nobody watches. They should also be able to sale their likeness, although it probably would have no value if not tied to a high profile team.

 

[Mister Moses]

UT uses the exes will take care of employment for recruiting purposes?
I don’t see anyway this pay idea would work. Everyone on the team should be equal. Corruption would be simple. Pass it around it’s teamwork. Someone will fill their shoes and it might be better Football that way. The one poster has anger issues. That’s why I read the boards. I don’t have cable tv.

 

[Drtxhorn]

Dang, relax dude! We're all capitalists here so there's no need to question our capitalist chops. Many on this board have done EXTREMELY well thanks to free markets. You come across as if you may have some issue with capitalism. The OP and many of us are not advocating nor supporting one side or another. What Sam has to realize is he's the most valuable player on the team right now and when he shoots his mouth off about an issue like this he needs to think about those guys on the team who will never earn a living playing football. I think less than 10% of his teammates will be lucky enough to play in the NFL. He's the undisputed leader of the team and he needs to be careful not to alienate his teammates by speaking selfishly. That's the kind of crap that can start to divide a locker room. We don't need Sam going down that road. This is much bigger than paying players. It's about the team! Next season is very pivotal for the Horns and we need everyone locked in and focused on a title and it all starts with Sam.

I personally agree that college athletes should be able to profit from their likeness but it's not as easy as you think considering that once the NCAA allows any form of direct compensation then they've opened the door for collective bargaining and now we're off to the races. If you think college sports is corrupt now just wait until a million labor lawyers jump into the fray. It's just not an easy fix. Rather than yell and scream about paying players, you need to think with a little more depth and analysis. We're mostly talking about Sam's leadership and not necessarily about pay for play.

 

[clob94]

Ugh.


I just need to write a book and clear all this sh!t up. My father told me years ago I should write one and title it "Hell, I've been there".

 

[DHHorn]

Don't they get some kind of cost of living stipend?

 

[2300 Nueces]

Turning college football into pro ball is not the answer. There needs to be a break here. The players that want to go pro, let them go pro at 18. The student athletes can stay and play. Most of the pro guys will end up without a college education and working at McDonalds by 21. Pay to play will destroy college football. I don't watch NFL. I hate it. It's the most boring ****ing product I have ever seen. I hope it goes bankrupt. Yes, this is headed toward a train wreck so savage go and do your duty and buy all those NFL jerseys..... I am not.

 

[oldhorn2]

wow 2300....I dont get it though....does the NFL still play on Sundays? I havnt watched an NFL game in 18 years.

 

[LonghornMM]

My position on this is not about being selfish and "being a fan". Its about amateur college athletics. The rules are very clear. Every athlete is shown these rules when they sign their scholarship. They are playing a given sport for the school and the school in return gives them a free ride. Its cut and dried.

Paying players would open up Pandora's box. You have the upper echelon of schools, 15 or so, that are profitable. Those at the top of the pyramid would have an unfair advantage over the one's that struggle to turn a profit. Then it comes down to how much does each athlete get paid? In today's Title IX world, it wouldn't be limited to just football players. It would have to be all sports across the board, men and women. In short, it wouldn't work and would be a financial disaster for universities.