2018 Texas Longhorns season predictions
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I don't think anyone thinks recruiting rankings are an exact science, far from it. However, when you take a total snapshot of two programs like USC and MissST., there is no way to objectively put those two programs in the same tier. Miss St. as a recent team, or as a program in general, hasn't been on the same planet as USC
By the way, I'm still waiting for you to provide any objective basis for claiming A&M has a tougher schedule than Texas this season.
Well I posted the power rankings of the teams on both schedules, and Clob pretty much told me to stop as it was already agreed upon. So I have at least one believer.
As far as USC and Miss St., I 100% agree USC is by far the better program. I'm only talking about this year.
Would love to see your commentary on why the BIG12 only has 2 top 25 recruiting programs over the last 4 years vs. the SEC's 9. My guess is you will go with bias, just like the NFL draft is bias.
Well, if you want to use ESPN's power rankings then the SOS has already been calculated for you. So using your preferred SOS rankings for the upcoming season Texas has the #4 toughest schedule in the entire country and A&M is way down the list at #29. Any questions?
In fact eight of the ten BIg 12 teams have top 25 ranked SOS, while only ONE single SEC team (LSU) has a top 25 SOS.
As far as your recruiting rankings question, I'm not sure as I have never thought about it. I think you are probably right there is going to be at least some bias in for-profit internet sites catering to fanbases, but I don't know or care.
I do see what happens on the field though, and there is definitely no superiority in actual football games played between SEC and BIg 12, or any other conference.
This is my prediction
I think we'll have an incredible secondary. Everyone knows about Coach Orlando but we also have Craig Naivar and Jason Washington in the secondary. We all saw the dramatic improvement last year. Combine the returning players with the 4 and 5* recruits we have coming in and I will almost feel sorry for the competition. Texas has become dbu again.
I think we'll have an incredible secondary. Everyone knows about Coach Orlando but we also have Craig Naivar and Jason Washington in the secondary. We all saw the dramatic improvement last year. Combine the returning players with the 4 and 5* recruits we have coming in and I will almost feel sorry for the competition. Texas has become dbu again.
So let me get this straight. Players come into the SEC much more highly thought of than those coming into the BIG12. The average class in the SEC ranks just over 20th nationally, whereas the average BIG12 class comes in around 40th.
Then when those players are available to be drafted by the NFL 3 times more get selected from the SEC than the BIG12.
But somehow magically, there is a 4 year window where players not nearly as good coming or going are equal for 4 years. Even with this magical 4 year transformation, the SEC has won 9 of the last 12 national champions, and even if Alabama didn't count - they would still have 100% more championships than any other conference over that period. And even without Alabama, the SEC would have more championships than all other conference combined over that period.
So I am struggling to see why you want to argue schedules. Why not just say you think Texas would likely beat A&M if they played this year, I would agree with you.
Over the last 5 years in head to head match ups:
ACC 28 wins SEC 27 wins
I think this argument is settled.
ACC 28 wins SEC 27 wins
I think this argument is settled.
The disgruntled stuff is blown out of proportion. Elliott is mad that he fell to the sixth round and wants to blame Herman instead of admitting the staff was right and he wasn’t ready.
The players talked about buy in for the bowl game. Hager talked about buy in at media days. But that doesn’t sell like a Twitter blast.
The players talked about buy in for the bowl game. Hager talked about buy in at media days. But that doesn’t sell like a Twitter blast.
Clob94. Due to basic geography the vast majority of those games were SEC East vs. the ACC. So I admit the ACC has been a little better than the SEC East. Since we joined the SEC the West is 63-28 over the SEC East. And the vast majority of our games are vs the much stronger SEC West. So I'm not sure you proved the point you meant to prove.
Is this the UT prediction thread? Just checking.
So you think I'm winning? Just kidding.
It is the off-season and we are just having a friendly debate, no childish name calling or attacks. q1w2e3 and Clob94 are both ok in my book.
Now call me lesser so I'll know you aren't mad.
Scholz..... firing strikes from the bullpen. Easy my man..... the 8th inning is coming.
RB room is so good we brought in a grad transfer! C. Johnson and LJH have the size to be elite but LJH is the only one of the two catching it in traffic. CJ will wow you and follow it up by blowing the routine catch.
The season will depend on improvement of the O line which is once again largely a function of the health of the starters. Quality depth still isn’t there. Will be the difference between reaching 8-ish wins and being a contender.
So let me get this straight. Players come into the SEC much more highly thought of than those coming into the BIG12. The average class in the SEC ranks just over 20 nationally, whereas the average BIG12 class comes in around 40th.
"much more highly thought of" is hyperbole
Then when those players are available to be drafted by the NFL 3 times more get selected from the SEC than the BIG12.
Not sure how you came up with this number, but it's not true.
But somehow magically, there is a 4 year window where players not nearly as good coming or going are equal for 4 years. Even with this magical 4 year transformation, the SEC has won 9 of the last 12 national champions, and even if Alabama didn't count - they would still have 100% more championships than any other conference over that period. And even without Alabama, the SEC would have more championships than all other conference combined over that period.
Not only were your numbers off again, but we need to clarify something. Conferences don't win national championships, a single team does. I know ya'll are in the habit of piggy-backing off of any success other teams in your conference have like it's your own, but a national championship is one team vs. another.
Further, no one is claiming the SEC hasn't been good at the very top (at least in that very convenient for you time frame you picked). Most seasons they have at least one if not two very good teams at the top. And on top of that, seven of those nine championships were won by Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Those two coaches win regardless of conference. However, what we are supposed to be discussing is a conference. The whole conference.
And last, the facts of reality still remain.....during those four years of college football you speak of the SEC, AS A WHOLE, does not dominate or offer any superiority on any consistent basis in actual football games. I could go on an on of examples of that. So why argue about abstract, subjective measures like high school recruiting rankings and not the results on the field?
So I am struggling to see why you want to argue schedules. Why not just say you think Texas would likely beat A&M if they played this year, I would agree with you
I don't want to argue schedules, I'm just providing evidence against the suggestion you started on this very thread, and the endless Aggie claims that their schedule year in year out is just out of this world brutal and the Big 12 is so easy (ironic) and the worst conference and so on.
I don't know how to debate you on who brings in the better players. An average class of 20th seems much better than 40th. But I guess that is debatable.
3X more NFL draft picks. I looked at the last 2 years and the totals were 106 to 34. Maybe those years are an anomaly, so I will change it to well over 2 times as many drafted players.
National Champs last dozen years
2006 Florida (not Bama SEC)
2007 LSU (not Bama SEC)
2008 Florida (not Bama SEC)
2009 Alabama
2010 Auburn (not Bama SEC)
2011 Alabama
2012 Alabama
2013 Florida St (ACC)
2014 Ohio St (BIG10)
2015 Alabama
2016 Clemson (ACC)
2017 Alabama
Pretty sure my numbers were correct the first time.
Bama should not have even been in the playoff last year. The committee basically said had Wisconsin gone undefeated that Bama would have still made it over them. Winning a P5 conference is meaningless according to them. It's completely arbitrary. And yet neither TCU or Baylor got in because the committee said there wasn't a B12 title game.
The playoff committee makes it up as they go along.
The playoff committee makes it up as they go along.
