I was still back home in Texas. It was around 8:45 somebody said a plane crashed in to the WTC. I thought no way that's crazy. I called my dad then I called my wife. The rest of the day was like eerie silence. It took 10 years but we finally killed that sob Bin Laden.
22 years ago today where we're you
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I was on the USS Enterprise and we where the 1st to u-turn in the Arabian Gulf and open up a Hanger Bay full of Whoop Ass in name of Operation Enduring Freedom.
And yes gents, we smack talked between OU, USC fans the entire time lol
Aside from my children the biggest thing I've ever been apart of.
And yes gents, we smack talked between OU, USC fans the entire time lol
Aside from my children the biggest thing I've ever been apart of.
Standing infront of my TV thinking "that's a pretty good sized hole for a private airplane to make. I wonder how he just happened to not see this massive building on a perfectly clear day. And why is that dude in another airplane flying so close to the tower when he surely knows that another plane just ...HOLY FVCKING FVCK!"
I had a 9:25am. I wasn't going to go, but then I was like man I want to see other humans. Even that early I still didn't quite realize what had transpired. I was glued to the TV from about 11:15am until the next day. Crazy shit.
I was teaching a classroom full of freshman. We turned it on when a kid came in saying a "big building got hit by a plane". We watched as I talked to them about what we were seeing.....
When they said "a plane has hit the pentagon".....I told the class that was a phrase I never thought I'd hear and thought "this is f'd up and really happening". First time I'd ever really got concerned over the safety of my family.........
When they said "a plane has hit the pentagon".....I told the class that was a phrase I never thought I'd hear and thought "this is f'd up and really happening". First time I'd ever really got concerned over the safety of my family.........
Have we determined who was responsible for this? Surely it wasn't just 20 guys from SA that decided to wreck shop. Someone or some organization had to plan and fund this..... Funny, I've never heard anything about finding the actual culprit and bringing them to justice. Osama Bin Laden was a patsy. He didn't do it. He didn't have the money.... we killed him in Pakistan (supposedly) while living in a cinder block hut. Surely, the CIA and FIB would have been onto this.... Start from now and work backward to the date of the tragedy. Put together puzzle pieces. Are we still in the sandbox, and why? Who would want us there 22 years later? Somebody wanted us in the ME.
No, I'm serious. Something this magnitude comes from the highest levels somewhere. Average dudes in a foreign country can't pull this off without some serious planning and backing. In my tinfoil hat opinion, this was done on purpose. I'm not saying that the Bush Admin was in on it etc, but these things don't just happen and aren't planned on Sunday at the local Mosque. There have been no clear answers and SA was not made to pay so something smells, IMO.
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1st year of biz school at UT, finishing IT class and waiting for Econ to start. Quite surreal. It is also my birthday so quite weird that mom didn't call til about 10:30 that night cause of all the craziness of the day
Check it out--
Years ago there was this young dude.... really smart kid. Pakistani born in Kuwait. His name was Abdul Basit Mahmoud Abdul Karim. Very smart kid. So smart, his parents sent him to Wales to college to become an electrical engineer. Pretty good school and this kid breazed through it. So well infact, he was allowed into Oxford for post graduate work. Oxford......
This kid then returns to Pakistan where his uncle introduces him to some nefarious ppl. The kid-- seeing how well westerners live, grows bitter because his homelands are being pillaged by western companies and armies.
So his uncle's nefarious friends take this really smart kid and teach him a trade craft-- how to build bombs.
He's REALLY good at it, because he's an electrical engineer and in return, he shows these bomb makers how to crank up their ordinance with chemical compounds that will increase the explosive yield of their devices.
So this 23 year old kid and his uncle decide they are going to strike a blow for their ppl. The kid travels to the US and meets with recruits that support his cause. They rent a Uhaul truck, he builds a bomb and they park it in the parking garage under the world trade center.
It's 1993. The kid is 24 years old.
Boom. Now he's a legend in the jihad community.
He comes home to Pakistan and lays low for a couple of months and then accepts a contract to kill the Pres. of Pakistan (Bhutto)
He builds a bombs that pops off early and almost gets nabbed by police but his escape was epic so his legend status grows.
There's too much heat on him in Pakistan so he flees to Manilla to hide with some other jihad brothers and they hatch a plot to test run a bomb on a Philippines 747 headed to Tokyo. He places the bomb in the sh!tter but angles it the wrong way-- instead of at the bulkhead, he points it toward the row of passengers in front of the bathroom. He sets the timer and gets off the plane at the next layover. Some poor Japanese businessman gets blown to bits and 10 others are seriously wounded. The plane doesn't explode but the bomb worked-- so his status and legend grows again.
He then builds a bomb that goes off in a Mosque in Iran. Big fvcking bomb. 10 pounds of TNT. 25 dead with 200 injured.
Now, since he hit the Shia's AND the Americans, he's a God to the Sunni Muslims. His uncle's status also grows because his uncle got financing for this bomb from a wealthy Saudi Trust Fund baby known as Usama Bin Laden......
In 1995 he's in Thialnd and he's built 2 suitcase bombs. He's got a diplomat with credentials from Qatar convinced to take these two suitcase bombs and put them on a United Airlines flight-- being a diplomat, he won't get checked. But the dude chickens out, the attack never happens.
Back to Pakistan the dude goes and at this point, the Pakistania aren't really sure they want him around. They can't arrest him because the local Sunni Muslims love the guy, but they know it would be a BAD look if the US find out he's hiding in their country.
There's now a 2 million dollar bounty on his head the FBI has put in place and some "random" Pakistani citizen named Istaique Parker sends proof to the FBI of this kids location. Pakistani SF and American DSS agents raid the apartment in Islamabad and arrest the guy.
What do they find? Bombs. Fvck loads of them. Built into children's toys and dolls. "Teddybear go boom" kind of sh!t. Homeboy also had acid burns on his fingertips so his finger prints were unrecognizable.
Know what else they found?
A detailed blueprint of something called "Operation Bojinka".
The plan, hatched between him and his uncle, was 3 phases, all to take place at the same time on the same day.
I. The assassination of Pope John Paul while in Europe (using a fvcking massive bomb in an apartment during the Pope's ride through Brussels).
II. Hijacking 11 planes coming from Asia bound for the US and use the kids toys to blow holes in the plane's bulkhead causing them to crash.
III. Hijack a plane coming from Europe and crash it into the CIA headquarters in Langley.
All of this would happen simultaneously.
All of this was planned by this kid and his uncle.
The kids nom de guerre (war name) was Ramzi Yousef. His uncle's name was Khalid Sheikh Mohammad. His uncle's financier was named Usama Bin Laden.
Ramzi Yousef was brought back here and tried and sent to live in solitary confinement at the Rock of the Rockies Supermax ADX in Colorado.
His uncle' KSM was apprehended in March of 2003 by JSOC and the Special Activities Division, the CIAs Tier 1 pipe hitters that mostly get recruited out of Delta and SEAL team 6 (allegedly this was done by DEVGRU gold or blue squad.... you'll have to ask @GuaranteedFresh! for the details but I think Delta was in rotation during that period) and KSM was sent to the "Salt Pit" for a little while to be "questioned" (enhanced). Then they sent him off to a place in Poland that isn't on any map. Then they sent him to either Romania or Greece (nobody will tell you either way). Then he ended up at Guantanamo where he currently resides.
But before he was nabbed, he got Bin Laden to finance the 19 Saudis to be sent to the US on student visas and take flight training. He realized the Bojinka plot had too many moving parts so he chopped it down to 4 aircraft, 4 targets and 19 men.
This help?
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Great story. I seriously have no idea how you have time for this. But awesome stuff.
This still doesn't answer a couple of things.
Why did the US government punish SA more for the killing of a SA journalist (Kashogi) than for the killing of thousands of Americans and billions in property damage?
Who stands to profit from our continued presence in the ME? Why are we still there? Osama and Al Queda were defeated long ago.
Pretty effin accurate breakdown by @clob94 . The thing that rubs me is that trashbin laden and his training camps were well known long before 911.
WTC, Khobar Towers, USS Cole, 3 US embassies in Africa ect....
He openly declared war on us due to our presence in Saudi and Somalia but good ole America kept shrugging him off because we're here and they are way over there.
Thankfully we served him some American lead poisoning and introduced him to his 72 raisins (original translation, not virgins).
Now, as far as to who actually poked holes in his turbin.....count me out of that discussion. Everyone has seen the interviews, anyone who's interested knows about the tale all book. Let's just say there's a whole lot that doesn't add up and a couple of tall tales that have been allowed to grow roots.
The result remains, our boys got his ass. F-him
WTC, Khobar Towers, USS Cole, 3 US embassies in Africa ect....
He openly declared war on us due to our presence in Saudi and Somalia but good ole America kept shrugging him off because we're here and they are way over there.
Thankfully we served him some American lead poisoning and introduced him to his 72 raisins (original translation, not virgins).
Now, as far as to who actually poked holes in his turbin.....count me out of that discussion. Everyone has seen the interviews, anyone who's interested knows about the tale all book. Let's just say there's a whole lot that doesn't add up and a couple of tall tales that have been allowed to grow roots.
The result remains, our boys got his ass. F-him
You were still downrange in '03. Unless that was during one of your hospital stints.
That was the year they bagged KSM.
I forget the rotation that McChrystal had going- Team Green in Iraq, Team Blue in Stan-- then swap. But you augmented both.
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My text messages are dictated, not typed. Or do you mean how I have time to know all this sh!t...?
Ok.
Saudi Arabia's upper echelon of government wanted Kashogi dealt with. The government didn't like him and could have stopped his killing. And let's be honest- if you're stupid enough to allow a Saudi hit squad to box you in and chop you up into bits-- well....... Let's just say the Saudis (historically) don't have a reputation for being as sneaky or crafty as the Jews, or as brutal as the Russians. They aren't known for getting their own hands dirty. They think they're too good for that.
The 9/11 attackers weren't part of the Saudi government. In fact, there was 1 or 2 third cousin's twice removed from King Fahed- that MAY have financially helped some of the 19 terrorists at some point.
As for our presence-- here goes.
After the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan in the late 80s, Bin Laden took a victory lap around the Muslim world. He had helped to fund and fight with the Mujahideen in their battles. So he's a hero.
A couple of years later, Saddam Hussain marches into Kuwait from Iraq because-- he believed that Kuwait was rightfully the property of Iraq and never should gave been split from Iraq by the British decades ago. Plus, Kuwait was RICH b!tch. Like, sooooooper rich.
And Saddam wanted it.
So the Saudis realize that Saddam has such a big army that once he rolls through Kuwait, there was NOTHING to stop him from doing the same to their kingdom. The Saudis would be fvcked. And why would Saddam stop?
So Bin Laden goes to Saudi King Fahd and ge says
"Look--- I got this bad ass bunch of bushwackers in Afghanistan that LITERALLY just beat the pants off of the Soviets. They're battle hardened and they will fold Saddams army in half, turn it sideways, and shove it right up his ass."
Plus-- Bin Laden is a Saudi by birth-- so protecting HIS homeland and being seen as a hero by HIS people would be a big deal for HIS ego.
Unfortunately for him, King Fahd was REALLY close with this cat named George Herbert Walker Bush. And Bush had an army with cool toys and invisible sh!t. And the US was just itching to break out the new toys and ass-fvck someone real good so we could show off how smart our defense contractors were and how cool our toys were. Enter Saddam.
So Bin Laden gets jilted by his own people and issues a fatwah (religious war decree) against the US because he's butthurt. (Literally this is why..... I'm not kidding one bit)
And because the Saudis are rich (we made them rich by buying their oil) and because we know having a footprint of bases in the Middle East makes it easier for us to fvck you up if you get out of line in that region--(we don't have to fly around the world to bomb you, we can fly from a base nearby and save fuel) we have maintained our presence there.
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I'd love to see the footage of a plane hitting the pentagon, the only footage I've seen resembles a missile type object and btw we need a few more Norman Schwarzkopf's in the military today
Yes, I understand the narrative. I don't trust narratives. Like a good detective, I stand back and look into the future and determine 'who stands to benefit from the crime'. In this case, we have the benefit of 22 years so no extrapolation needed. Who benefits?
1. The stock owners of defense contractors. Find the majority owners and you'll find the perp..
2. Israel, they want big brother in the sandbox to kick the bullies tails. Mission accomplished, but why are we still there? When does little brother stand on his own?
So, undo all the fancy narratives and look at who stands to benefit.
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