Card the freshman, par for the freshman course

[westx]

About every other thread title on the 9.95 boards was a rah rah Card is our savior thread. Now, I have no idea what the Casey apologists responded because I don't have access to read them so, all I have to go off of is the numerous "Card should start" titles. As of tonight, I saw one thread title that read "Card is terrible folks". I don't agree with that either, he is not terrible-he is just not ready. Texas fans can be the biggest dumb f*cks in all of college football. It is so masochistic to put that much on the line on a freshman's shoulders. Nothing against Card, I like the young man and he will be ready for the 23-24 season. What is it that Texas fans see in a freshmen that most every other college football programs don't. Most often, decent college programs, other than some isolated incidents, are not trotting a freshman out to lead a team. Casey is by far a better choice to finish the season. Card has led Texas to ONE effing TD drive against Arkie and ONE effing TD drive against ISU-that is it. One problem I have mentioned with Casey is he has not been vocal enough with his teammates and leading more. It seems he is only playing QB and we need more than just another teammate When he went in against Arkie, he put his body on the line to get Texas on the board-We have not had that lately. He missed his shot for a simple first down by a few inches by not giving that extra effort last night. This is a time for leadership. Texas' defense played really well the 1st half. PK was on the sideline, and I believed that helped. I have ragged on our defense, but for f*cks sake, it doesn't help to have "3 and outs" most of the game. Defense deserves it's own thread because there is so much there, but this is a thread about our QBs and all of the noise that Texas fans and reporters are causing around the program. I suppose all of the Card guys expected a complete turnaround. Really? They expect Card to come in and we will be a different team? Obsurdity in the highest. A few stats:

Card: Team Passing/Rushing
UL 265/170 Currently ranked 24th
ISU 103/102. unranked
Ark 118/138. unranked

Thompson: Team Passing/Rushing
Rice 193/427. unranked
TT 303/336. unranked
TCU 142/272. unranked
ou 388/128. Currently ranked #4
OSU 179/138. Currently ranked #10
Bay 280/108. Currently ranked #18

 

[clob94]

Right now, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Neither kid is going to be able to salvage this season.

 

[Hoookem722]

About every other thread title on the 9.95 boards was a rah rah Card is our savior thread. Now, I have no idea what the Casey apologists responded because I don't have access to read them so, all I have to go off of is the numerous "Card should start" titles. As of tonight, I saw one thread title that read "Card is terrible folks". I don't agree with that either, he is not terrible-he is just not ready. Texas fans can be the biggest dumb f*cks in all of college football. It is so masochistic to put that much on the line on a freshman's shoulders. Nothing against Card, I like the young man and he will be ready for the 23-24 season. What is it that Texas fans see in a freshmen that most every other college football programs don't. Most often, decent college programs, other than some isolated incidents, are not trotting a freshman out to lead a team. Casey is by far a better choice to finish the season. Card has led Texas to ONE effing TD drive against Arkie and ONE effing TD drive against ISU-that is it. One problem I have mentioned with Casey is he has not been vocal enough with his teammates and leading more. It seems he is only playing QB and we need more than just another teammate When he went in against Arkie, he put his body on the line to get Texas on the board-We have not had that lately. He missed his shot for a simple first down by a few inches by not giving that extra effort last night. This is a time for leadership. Texas' defense played really well the 1st half. PK was on the sideline, and I believed that helped. I have ragged on our defense, but for f*cks sake, it doesn't help to have "3 and outs" most of the game. Defense deserves it's own thread because there is so much there, but this is a thread about our QBs and all of the noise that Texas fans and reporters are causing around the program. I suppose all of the Card guys expected a complete turnaround. Really? They expect Card to come in and we will be a different team? Obsurdity in the highest. A few stats:

Card: Team Passing/Rushing
UL 265/170 Currently ranked 24th
ISU 103/102. unranked
Ark 118/138. unranked

Thompson: Team Passing/Rushing
Rice 193/427. unranked
TT 303/336. unranked
TCU 142/272. unranked
ou 388/128. Currently ranked #4
OSU 179/138. Currently ranked #10
Bay 280/108. Currently ranked #18

If Sark starts Casey the rest of the season he is doing the team a disservice for the future. Casey has had every opportunity to right the ship since the 2nd half of that OU game and hasn't done a damn thing. Card may not be the answer for the future either but not giving him an opportunity after the way Casey has performed for 5 weeks now isn't right.

How in the hell can you say he won't be ready until 2023 lol?? This isn't 1980 where it takes 3 years to develop a division 1 QB. It seems you forgot what VY and Colt looked like in their first couple of starts. I think you should go back and watch. Give Card a full week of first team reps and game plan and cut him loose this weekend. You're 4-5 what the hell else is there to lose at this point.

I have seen him play at a very high level in high school and he has the potential to be our QB of the future. I just don't think he was given a fair chance after that Arkansas game.

 

[clob94]

If Sark starts Casey the rest of the season he is doing the team a disservice for the future. Casey has had every opportunity to right the ship since the 2nd half of that OU game and hasn't done a damn thing. Card may not be the answer for the future either but not giving him an opportunity after the way Casey has performed for 5 weeks now isn't right.

How in the hell can you say he won't be ready until 2023 lol?? This isn't 1980 where it takes 3 years to develop a division 1 QB. It seems you forgot what VY and Colt looked like in their first couple of starts. I think you should go back and watch. Give Card a full week of first team reps and game plan and cut him loose this weekend. You're 4-5 what the hell else is there to lose at this point.

I have seen him play at a very high level in high school and he has the potential to be our QB of the future. I just don't think he was given a fair chance after that Arkansas game.

Whoa hoss..... now let's be fair.

Comparing the talent of Vince to either of these kids is, respectfully, waaaaaay off base. It's so far off base, it's in the parking lot 12 blocks away from the stadium where the base resides.

McCoy, at one point, had the most accurate passing season of any QB in college football history. And when I look at both Card and Thompson, I know the word "accurate" is the first thing that comes to mind. (Sarcasm, for those of y'all without a sarcasm meter)

Neither Card or Thompson will EVER have Colt's accuracy or Vince's moxy and pure talent. I don't care if you gave our 2 QBs the 1992 Dallas Cowboys offensive line-- they simply don't have what it takes. I was rooting for both of them, sincerely. But I've seen enough. We haven't had any arm strength on this campus since Colt. Name the last QB that could stand up tall and throw a ROPE to the far sideline and hit the deep out. 12-15 yard deep out, opposite field. Who could do it?

I'll wait.

I can run down a list of kids that came out of Texas high-schools that could do it-- but none of them ended up coming here.

Look-- with the "spread" offense, you've got to make those corners protect the sidelines. You gave to FORCE them to stay wide. Thus, giving you ample space in the middle to hit your inside receivers. When the corners start cheating inside to clog the middle up-- BOOM. You hit that deep out on the sidelines for 15. Then those corners stop clogging the middle.

We don't have that weapon. And we will not be successful with this style of offense until we get a kid that stand on it, and rock and fire with some serious zip.

Card ain't it, and Thompson ain't it.

 

[Hoookem722]

Whoa hoss..... now let's be fair.

Comparing the talent of Vince to either of these kids is, respectfully, waaaaaay off base. It's so far off base, it's in the parking lot 12 blocks away from the stadium where the base resides.

McCoy, at one point, had the most accurate passing season of any QB in college football history. And when I look at both Card and Thompson, I know the word "accurate" is the first thing that comes to mind. (Sarcasm, for those of y'all without a sarcasm meter)

Neither Card or Thompson will EVER have Colt's accuracy or Vince's moxy and pure talent. I don't care if you gave our 2 QBs the 1992 Dallas Cowboys offensive line-- they simply don't have what it takes. I was rooting for both of them, sincerely. But I've seen enough. We haven't had any arm strength on this campus since Colt. Name the last QB that could stand up tall and throw a ROPE to the far sideline and hit the deep out. 12-15 yard deep out, opposite field. Who could do it?

I'll wait.

I can run down a list of kids that came out of Texas high-schools that could do it-- but none of them ended up coming here.

Look-- with the "spread" offense, you've got to make those corners protect the sidelines. You gave to FORCE them to stay wide. Thus, giving you ample space in the middle to hit your inside receivers. When the corners start cheating inside to clog the middle up-- BOOM. You hit that deep out on the sidelines for 15. Then those corners stop clogging the middle.

We don't have that weapon. And we will not be successful with this style of offense until we get a kid that stand on it, and rock and fire with some serious zip.

Card ain't it, and Thompson ain't it.

In no way was I comparing VY or Colt to Card. I'm just simply saying he isn't the one after 8 quarters of football is just completely asinine. I saw Card make that 12-15 yard out throw the other night, you must have missed it. He has more arm talent than Colt did and I say that with confidence. One of Colt's knocks coming into the NFL draft was his arm strength. What he lacked in arm strength though he made up for with his accuracy. Card is really athletic and can throw on the run extremely well. He plays well off schedule. He isn't trusting his running ability yet at this level.

I have seen him in live and in person 4 times in high school against some very high level 6-A competition. Each time he was the best player on the field by a mile except when Garrett Wilson was still at Lake Travis. I just don't see how anybody can say that he isn't the one when he hasn't even played 2 complete games yet?

 

[LonghornMM]

Card is a freshman. He's just not ready to take over as the starting QB at Texas. The only other choice is Thompson, and he's a below average QB. Given these are the only two real options at QB and combined with a subpar OL, it doesn't bode well for success.

For Card, it's a lack of experience and probably somewhat a lack of confidence. Arm strength isn't the issue with him. He's got an above average arm and throws a great ball. The deal with Card going forward is he's got to try to establish himself with Sark and AJ Milwee and try to earn their confidence in him. Card has the tools. Between he and the coaches, they've just got to put it together.

 

[EWNHorn]

An ok to average OL cures a lot of our QB issues........

Hell an ok to average OL helps our D issues............

My point being........we need to focus on OL.........

 

[Hoookem722]

Card is a freshman. He's just not ready to take over as the starting QB at Texas. The only other choice is Thompson, and he's a below average QB. Given these are the only two real options at QB and combined with a subpar OL, it doesn't bode well for success.

For Card, it's a lack of experience and probably somewhat a lack of confidence. Arm strength isn't the issue with him. He's got an above average arm and throws a great ball. The deal with Card going forward is he's got to try to establish himself with Sark and AJ Milwee and try to earn their confidence in him. Card has the tools. Between he and the coaches, they've just got to put it together.

I have seen plays in the Arkansas game and the Iowa State game the other night where he had all kinds of room to run but chose not to. It's like he's not trusting his legs yet. He made a living in high school making plays with his legs. He's got all the tools to be a really good QB but I just hope our offensive line doesn't ruin him.

I thought he looked good in that first game of the year.

 

[westx]

If Sark starts Casey the rest of the season he is doing the team a disservice for the future. Casey has had every opportunity to right the ship since the 2nd half of that OU game and hasn't done a damn thing. Card may not be the answer for the future either but not giving him an opportunity after the way Casey has performed for 5 weeks now isn't right.

How in the hell can you say he won't be ready until 2023 lol?? This isn't 1980 where it takes 3 years to develop a division 1 QB. It seems you forgot what VY and Colt looked like in their first couple of starts. I think you should go back and watch. Give Card a full week of first team reps and game plan and cut him loose this weekend. You're 4-5 what the hell else is there to lose at this point.

I have seen him play at a very high level in high school and he has the potential to be our QB of the future. I just don't think he was given a fair chance after that Arkansas game.

If Sark starts Casey the rest of the season he is doing the team a disservice for the future. Casey has had every opportunity to right the ship since the 2nd half of that OU game and hasn't done a damn thing. Card may not be the answer for the future either but not giving him an opportunity after the way Casey has performed for 5 weeks now isn't right.

How in the hell can you say he won't be ready until 2023 lol?? This isn't 1980 where it takes 3 years to develop a division 1 QB. It seems you forgot what VY and Colt looked like in their first couple of starts. I think you should go back and watch. Give Card a full week of first team reps and game plan and cut him loose this weekend. You're 4-5 what the hell else is there to lose at this point.

I have seen him play at a very high level in high school and he has the potential to be our QB of the future. I just don't think he was given a fair chance after that Arkansas game.

I am not sure how starting Casey is a disservice to the future, nor do I know what's up with your LOL about 2023. In the words of George Allen, "The future is Now". We have been chasing the future for over a decade and the focus must be on "now". Whoever is being more productive should get the start-that is the bottom line. Casey has been more productive against stronger competition than Card has with the weaker competition. Furthermore, 2023 is not a bad target. Unless you think that only Card is going to improve and Casey won't. Sounds like you just want Card because that is your guy you watched in high school. Well, watching Card against Division 1 trumps whatever you saw in high school.

What I see with Casey: Stands tougher in the pocket. He has done a good job under the circumstances.
What I would like to see with Casey: His coaches and his dad should be putting the leadership thing in his ear. If he fails to do so, then that is on him. He is also going to have to tuck and run more due to the piss poor protection. I don't expect him to plow over LBs as did Ehlinger, but he is going to have to nut up and do something close to it. That is simply what is needed.

As far as Card He has a smoother way of moving around and I agree his passing on the run is better than Casey. Leadership-not even close, especially as a freshman. Tucking and running is a must with our OL situation and I have seen nothing.

 

[dkrieger]

If Sark starts Casey the rest of the season he is doing the team a disservice for the future. Casey has had every opportunity to right the ship since the 2nd half of that OU game and hasn't done a damn thing. Card may not be the answer for the future either but not giving him an opportunity after the way Casey has performed for 5 weeks now isn't right.

How in the hell can you say he won't be ready until 2023 lol?? This isn't 1980 where it takes 3 years to develop a division 1 QB. It seems you forgot what VY and Colt looked like in their first couple of starts. I think you should go back and watch. Give Card a full week of first team reps and game plan and cut him loose this weekend. You're 4-5 what the hell else is there to lose at this point.

I have seen him play at a very high level in high school and he has the potential to be our QB of the future. I just don't think he was given a fair chance after that Arkansas game.

And I suppose not at Iowa State either. He stunk just as bad. He may have been good in HS but absolutely sucks at this level. He looks terrified every time he enters the game. If we can see it so does the defense

 

[Okie70]

So would Rattler help the Horns? Sorry, MM couldn't help it. Sooner Scoop debating where Rattler would go in the portal if the didn't try to get drafted. Someone suggested UT as a possible landing sport. Weird given this year and first half of last year's RRS. And Thompson did play better in the first half.

 

[Drtxhorn]

So would Rattler help the Horns? Sorry, MM couldn't help it. Sooner Scoop debating where Rattler would go in the portal if the didn't try to get drafted. Someone suggested UT as a possible landing sport. Weird given this year and first half of last year's RRS. And Thompson did play better in the first half.

I would bet that he would enter the draft instead of transferring

 

[Okie70]

I would bet that he would enter the draft instead of transferring

Likely. Only issue appears to be how far his grade has fallen with the benching. Might he up his grade by playing another year with a good OLine and WR talent? Maybe the NIL will have an effect.

 

[LonghornMM]

Rattler needs to find a landing spot for one more year in college. His draft stock has dropped like a rock. As far as him potentially coming to Texas? Meh. Pass.

 

[clob94]

In no way was I comparing VY or Colt to Card. I'm just simply saying he isn't the one after 8 quarters of football is just completely asinine. I saw Card make that 12-15 yard out throw the other night, you must have missed it. He has more arm talent than Colt did and I say that with confidence. One of Colt's knocks coming into the NFL draft was his arm strength. What he lacked in arm strength though he made up for with his accuracy. Card is really athletic and can throw on the run extremely well. He plays well off schedule. He isn't trusting his running ability yet at this level.

I have seen him in live and in person 4 times in high school against some very high level 6-A competition. Each time he was the best player on the field by a mile except when Garrett Wilson was still at Lake Travis. I just don't see how anybody can say that he isn't the one when he hasn't even played 2 complete games yet?

I need to see this arm you speak of. I've not seen Card throw any balls with a smoke trail.

 

[Hoookem722]

I need to see this arm you speak of. I've not seen Card throw any balls with a smoke trail.

You are not watching hard enough then.

 

[Hoookem722]

I am not sure how starting Casey is a disservice to the future, nor do I know what's up with your LOL about 2023. In the words of George Allen, "The future is Now". We have been chasing the future for over a decade and the focus must be on "now". Whoever is being more productive should get the start-that is the bottom line. Casey has been more productive against stronger competition than Card has with the weaker competition. Furthermore, 2023 is not a bad target. Unless you think that only Card is going to improve and Casey won't. Sounds like you just want Card because that is your guy you watched in high school. Well, watching Card against Division 1 trumps whatever you saw in high school.

What I see with Casey: Stands tougher in the pocket. He has done a good job under the circumstances.
What I would like to see with Casey: His coaches and his dad should be putting the leadership thing in his ear. If he fails to do so, then that is on him. He is also going to have to tuck and run more due to the piss poor protection. I don't expect him to plow over LBs as did Ehlinger, but he is going to have to nut up and do something close to it. That is simply what is needed.

As far as Card He has a smoother way of moving around and I agree his passing on the run is better than Casey. Leadership-not even close, especially as a freshman. Tucking and running is a must with our OL situation and I have seen nothing.

Casey's best games were against weaker competition outside of the OU game. He has looked good in the Tech, Rice, first half of the OU game. Outside of that he has looked really shaky. Maybe his hand is bothering him still but I don't think that's it. I think the poor protection from the offensive line has shook his confidence and that's no good for a QB.

For as bad as Card has looked at times he has yet to turn the ball over. I just think at 4-5 it's time to start evaluating what you have for the future and is a good time to get him some reps. If he stinks it up then put Casey back in. I just think people's judgement is clouded from that great performance he had against Colorado last year. They are still holding onto that one game. Outside of that he has been meh IMO.

 

[DHHorn]

Casey's best games were against weaker competition outside of the OU game. He has looked good in the Tech, Rice, first half of the OU game. Outside of that he has looked really shaky. Maybe his hand is bothering him still but I don't think that's it. I think the poor protection from the offensive line has shook his confidence and that's no good for a QB.

For as bad as Card has looked at times he has yet to turn the ball over. I just think at 4-5 it's time to start evaluating what you have for the future and is a good time to get him some reps. If he stinks it up then put Casey back in. I just think people's judgement is clouded from that great performance he had against Colorado last year. They are still holding onto that one game. Outside of that he has been meh IMO.

His hand is definitely bothering him, don't know if it is more mentall y or physically. You can almost pinpoint the drop in his performance to before and after that injury. Also losing Whittington made a huge impact on the offense. After he went down our offense hasn't been the same.

 

[Hoookem722]

His hand is definitely bothering him, don't know if it is more mentall y or physically. You can almost pinpoint the drop in his performance to before and after that injury. Also losing Whittington made a huge impact on the offense. After he went down our offense hasn't been the same.

I thought he hurt it in the Oklahoma State game? He played poorly in the TCU game and the 2nd half of the OU game.

 

[DHHorn]

He hurt it in the OU game.