So this story is stupid because I should have seen it coming. It's my fault ultimately for trusting someone in need on OB that I really didn't know aside from meeting one time. In hindsight there were some signals that should have tipped me off he was shady however given the way it all went down I'm posting here as a warning not to trust the guy. I'm going to post a synopsis of my experience but I'm also going to post the texts between us and edit out his name.
So it's not about narratives, here are the actual texts between us.
Edit: Here's a link to the additional texts between us since Ketch got involved. They're pretty hilarious and I posted them later in the thread for anyone who missed. CLICK HERE FOR MORE TEXTS
Edit 2: Here's the messages between myself, @BURNTROSES , and @Ketchum. CLICK HERE FOR GROUP CHAT
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I put this post up on back in July asking the board for advice on a Yukon Denali and said that if anyone had a 2023 for sale that's the year I wanted in particular. @BURNTROSES messaged me - no post in the thread - saying he had a 2022 Denali with some info on it (you can see our conversation) which all seemed fine. I'm used to people on OB helping out, I've bought multiple rings from Lake, won bets against very well known posters and had them pay up, met many of you in person, and have been around for 16 years on here.
So my wife and I meet up with him to check out the car and everything seems pretty much as labeled aside from the fact that the dash seemed weird to me. I specifically wanted a 2023 because in 2022 they had updated the dash and I wanted to give some of the changes a year to hash out any issues. The price he offered seemed fair (mid $60's) for the mileage and package but the dash kinda seemed off. I told him I needed some time to sell my truck and figure out payment/taxes which seemed ok but we didn't agree to anything.
So fast forward like two days and @BURNTROSES messages me that he found his daughter a Mercedes he wants to buy and the lady is asking for a down payment to hold it but he doesn't have enough money and needs $12k. He asks me for the money since we're still working under the assumption that I'll buy his 22 Denali and he agrees to drop the price $3k since I won't get the trade in tax credit. Since I still need to complete my sale at Carmax or somewhere first he asks if I can just send him $1k because the lady selling the Mercedes wants the money today or she's selling to someone else. He asks for venmo (apparently the only time in life he figured out how to use it), zelle, anything. So I send him the $1k and we agree we can deduct it from the sale.
However after I do a little more research I figure out his car is actually a 21 and ask him to confirm it's a 22 not a 21. He confirms this so I ask for the vin and look it up to double check. Sure enough it's a 21 and he essentially says "My bad, my truck is a 21 I confused it with my wife's denali". This is the first "honest mistake" I would say he made.
On July 10th I let him know I'm passing on the purchase because I don't want a 21. I actually call him at this point and tell him to get me the $1000 back the next week and no sweat on doing it before the weekend since he seems stressed about getting the car for his daughter. I received no calls or texts from him until I reached back out July 20th which is when the cycle of, "I'll get the money to you tomorrow!" started. Almost daily since then he's had excuse, after excuse, after excuse. You'll even see in the messages that I'm pretty level headed about it besides one day when I threaten to blast him on OB (about a month ago).
"My venmo doesn't work." "Bank of America won't let me draw the cash." "I sold the Yukon to someone else but they gave me a bad check so the bank won't let me access any of my funds." Excuse, after excuse, after excuse. Which you can read in my link to all the texts between us. Not my side of the story. Not my words. His actual recorded words with no interpretation or nuance.
At some point his story changes to, "Well actually my dad is supposed to be giving me some money to pay you back but he hasn't cleared it yet. Please believe me, I'm not a liar!" I didn't respond to that one and then a few weeks ago I get a message from Ketch saying some version - so far as I can tell - that I gave him the money and backed out on his car and he doesn't have to pay it back. He lied about the car from day 1 and I was naive enough to just assume cause he was an OB guy that he would be trustworthy.
Ketch got in the middle to try and mediate it because the guy started throwing fits saying it would ruin his life if I posted this story but that's just another manipulation tactic.
@BURNTROSES is a pathological liar and he will do this again to someone else. I really doubt I'm the first and I'm assuming he's done it before because the way his story continually changed to try and get some money from me before I bought the Tahoe means he probably needed it for something else. If it was to buy his 16 year old a Mercedes SUV then **** that guy for not paying me back and acting like he has some right to keep that money.
So it's not about narratives, here are the actual texts between us.
Edit: Here's a link to the additional texts between us since Ketch got involved. They're pretty hilarious and I posted them later in the thread for anyone who missed. CLICK HERE FOR MORE TEXTS
Edit 2: Here's the messages between myself, @BURNTROSES , and @Ketchum. CLICK HERE FOR GROUP CHAT
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I put this post up on back in July asking the board for advice on a Yukon Denali and said that if anyone had a 2023 for sale that's the year I wanted in particular. @BURNTROSES messaged me - no post in the thread - saying he had a 2022 Denali with some info on it (you can see our conversation) which all seemed fine. I'm used to people on OB helping out, I've bought multiple rings from Lake, won bets against very well known posters and had them pay up, met many of you in person, and have been around for 16 years on here.
So my wife and I meet up with him to check out the car and everything seems pretty much as labeled aside from the fact that the dash seemed weird to me. I specifically wanted a 2023 because in 2022 they had updated the dash and I wanted to give some of the changes a year to hash out any issues. The price he offered seemed fair (mid $60's) for the mileage and package but the dash kinda seemed off. I told him I needed some time to sell my truck and figure out payment/taxes which seemed ok but we didn't agree to anything.
So fast forward like two days and @BURNTROSES messages me that he found his daughter a Mercedes he wants to buy and the lady is asking for a down payment to hold it but he doesn't have enough money and needs $12k. He asks me for the money since we're still working under the assumption that I'll buy his 22 Denali and he agrees to drop the price $3k since I won't get the trade in tax credit. Since I still need to complete my sale at Carmax or somewhere first he asks if I can just send him $1k because the lady selling the Mercedes wants the money today or she's selling to someone else. He asks for venmo (apparently the only time in life he figured out how to use it), zelle, anything. So I send him the $1k and we agree we can deduct it from the sale.
However after I do a little more research I figure out his car is actually a 21 and ask him to confirm it's a 22 not a 21. He confirms this so I ask for the vin and look it up to double check. Sure enough it's a 21 and he essentially says "My bad, my truck is a 21 I confused it with my wife's denali". This is the first "honest mistake" I would say he made.
On July 10th I let him know I'm passing on the purchase because I don't want a 21. I actually call him at this point and tell him to get me the $1000 back the next week and no sweat on doing it before the weekend since he seems stressed about getting the car for his daughter. I received no calls or texts from him until I reached back out July 20th which is when the cycle of, "I'll get the money to you tomorrow!" started. Almost daily since then he's had excuse, after excuse, after excuse. You'll even see in the messages that I'm pretty level headed about it besides one day when I threaten to blast him on OB (about a month ago).
"My venmo doesn't work." "Bank of America won't let me draw the cash." "I sold the Yukon to someone else but they gave me a bad check so the bank won't let me access any of my funds." Excuse, after excuse, after excuse. Which you can read in my link to all the texts between us. Not my side of the story. Not my words. His actual recorded words with no interpretation or nuance.
At some point his story changes to, "Well actually my dad is supposed to be giving me some money to pay you back but he hasn't cleared it yet. Please believe me, I'm not a liar!" I didn't respond to that one and then a few weeks ago I get a message from Ketch saying some version - so far as I can tell - that I gave him the money and backed out on his car and he doesn't have to pay it back. He lied about the car from day 1 and I was naive enough to just assume cause he was an OB guy that he would be trustworthy.
Ketch got in the middle to try and mediate it because the guy started throwing fits saying it would ruin his life if I posted this story but that's just another manipulation tactic.
@BURNTROSES is a pathological liar and he will do this again to someone else. I really doubt I'm the first and I'm assuming he's done it before because the way his story continually changed to try and get some money from me before I bought the Tahoe means he probably needed it for something else. If it was to buy his 16 year old a Mercedes SUV then **** that guy for not paying me back and acting like he has some right to keep that money.
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