I don't know if Georgia Tech would want to leave the ACC

[outhereincali]

but the Big XII needs to check it out and find out if they're serious about leaving. If they're still listening than the Big XII needs to make them an offer they can't refuse. The advantages of having GT in the Big XII are obvious. They're a top notch fb team right now, it's a good school, and we would have the city of Atlanta a big city. And it might open some doors for recruiting in Georgia. If you didn't know if before you know it now. There are a lot of good players in the GA high schools. And with WV in the Big XII we should expand to the east.

Here's the link:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/college/pa...llege-football

It's a pipe dream right now but who knows all they can do is say no.

 

[mm42]

Georgia Tech would be a homerun for sure. I would be beyond shocked if they moved, but it would be a homerun for sure. Doubt the money guys would leave the security of the ACC. They might have 6 years ago, but the world of CF has changed a lot since then.

 

[speedstrength]

The ACC is locked down until 35/36. Why would GT join the Big 12 and give their TV revenue to the ACC for the next 19 years.

 

[outhereincali]

Georgia Tech would be a homerun for sure. I would be beyond shocked if they moved, but it would be a homerun for sure. Doubt the money guys would leave the security of the ACC. They might have 6 years ago, but the world of CF has changed a lot since then.

Well, are they angry enough about the scheduling disadvantages they're getting in fb who knows? But I'm a realist I'm not going to hold my breath. But if they are ........

 

[outhereincali]

The ACC is locked down until 35/36. Why would GT join the Big 12 and give their TV revenue to the ACC for the next 19 years.

I wonder if they would have to pay an exit fee.

 

[speedstrength]

They did a grant of rights. The ACC owns GT media rights until 35/36. They can go wherever they want without an exit fee. They just can't take their media rights with them. No one is leaving the ACC for a very long time.

 

[outhereincali]

They did a grant of rights. The ACC owns GT media rights until 35/36. They can go wherever they want without an exit fee. They just can't take their media rights with them. No one is leaving the ACC for a very long time.

I'm sure you're right. Bummer

 

[topdecktiger]

You were right the firs time. It's a pipe dream.

 

[WonderfulWino]

As someone with a Law Degree, I might argue, if I were GA Tech and was seriously interested in leaving the ACC, that the Conference Breached their Contract with GA Tech and/or acted in Bad Faith when they continually treated it as a different "Class" than the other Member Institutes within the ACC, and because of that, the Grant of Right Agreement for GA Tech has been Constructively Voided by the Conference.

The real question would be then, if GA Tech opted to go this route, why would they chose to join the BIG 12 over the BIG (10) Conference? My personal guess is they'd go with the BIG (10) because of less over-all traveling and they are more closely aligned on the Academic side with more Members of that Conference. Finally, and I may be wrong here so feel free to correct me and it won't hurt my feelings, there would be a fairly large financial advantage to joining the BIG (10) over the BIG 12.

 

[topdecktiger]

As someone with a Law Degree, I might argue, if I were GA Tech and was seriously interested in leaving the ACC, that the Conference Breached their Contract with GA Tech and/or acted in Bad Faith when they continually treated it as a different "Class" than the other Member Institutes within the ACC, and because of that, the Grant of Right Agreement for GA Tech has been Constructively Voided by the Conference.

The real question would be then, if GA Tech opted to go this route, why would they chose to join the BIG 12 over the BIG (10) Conference? My personal guess is they'd go with the BIG (10) because of less over-all traveling and they are more closely aligned on the Academic side with more Members of that Conference. Finally, and I may be wrong here so feel free to correct me and it won't hurt my feelings, there would be a fairly large financial advantage to joining the BIG (10) over the BIG 12.

Problem with that is, other schools in the ACC had similar schedules, so the conference would be able to refute that point.

 

[bubba2023]

It's beyond pipe dream

 

[WonderfulWino]

Problem with that is, other schools in the ACC had similar schedules, so the conference would be able to refute that point.

Actually, they can't. You see, since Paul Johnson's first season as GA Tech's Head Football Coach in 2008, only one team has had at least one game every season in which it faced a team coming off a bye, and that team is GA Tech. I'll say this another way: Of the FIFTEEN teams in the ACC over the past NINE Seasons, only ONE of them has had to face at least one team coming off of a bye week (its usually three), and that team is GA Tech.

This clearly demonstrates that the ACC has treated GA Tech differently than EVERY OTHER member in the Conference, and provides grounds for an argument that the ACC has Constructively Breached the Contract with GA Tech through their Bad Faith dealings with them, and this would, in turn, void the Grant of Rights Agreement between GA Tech and the ACC which would allow the Yellow Jackets to pursue another Conference without penalty.

Just a potential argument that might be made, not a fact.

 

[ekal48]

I think the big 12 will eventually die w/o adding anyone.

I'm in the eventual 64 team 4 division major school divisions camp.

When we decided not to expand, that told me that the Big 12 was going to wait it out as they are now.

Also, when we get back to playing like we are supposed to we will be in a pretty good position until that happens.

That's my 2 cents worth.

 

[topdecktiger]

Actually, they can't. You see, since Paul Johnson's first season as GA Tech's Head Football Coach in 2008, only one team has had at least one game every season in which it faced a team coming off a bye, and that team is GA Tech. I'll say this another way: Of the FIFTEEN teams in the ACC over the past NINE Seasons, only ONE of them has had to face at least one team coming off of a bye week (its usually three), and that team is GA Tech.

This clearly demonstrates that the ACC has treated GA Tech differently than EVERY OTHER member in the Conference, and provides grounds for an argument that the ACC has Constructively Breached the Contract with GA Tech through their Bad Faith dealings with them, and this would, in turn, void the Grant of Rights Agreement between GA Tech and the ACC which would allow the Yellow Jackets to pursue another Conference without penalty.

Just a potential argument that might be made, not a fact.

Actually, yeah you can. Right of the bat, I can think if 2012. They were supposed to play North Carolina earlier in the season, but the game had to be moved (because BYU had to make a change in their schedule), which changed the order of their schedule. That would have put them tied with Florida St.

Even without that, it's ridiculous to think that ONE SEASON of scheduling is going to "clearly demonstrate" that Georgia Tech is being singled out. It's ludicrous to think any court in the country is going to deem that the ACC breeched the contract. That's you just pulling something out of your ass.

 

[WonderfulWino]

Actually, yeah you can. Right of the bat, I can think if 2012. They were supposed to play North Carolina earlier in the season, but the game had to be moved (because BYU had to make a change in their schedule), which changed the order of their schedule. That would have put them tied with Florida St.

Even without that, it's ridiculous to think that ONE SEASON of scheduling is going to "clearly demonstrate" that Georgia Tech is being singled out. It's ludicrous to think any court in the country is going to deem that the ACC breeched the contract. That's you just pulling something out of your ass.

RE-READ what I wrote. Only ONE team has had a PRESEASON schedule like I described for the ENTIRE CONFERENCE over a 10 year period (now that the new schedule has been released), and THAT team is GA Tech. I would add that USUALLY, GA Tech is playing against THREE teams which have byes weeks before their contest as well as at least one team that plays against one of the Service Acadamy programs (Navy and now Army) that plays a similar offense as GA Tech the week PRIOR to the contest between the two ACC teams. There's an old saying that goes something like this: If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and has webbed feet like a duck, you don't call it a chicken, you call it a duck.

You're calling what the ACC is doing to GA Tech a chicken when it's really a duck, and GA Tech deserves to be treated equitably (the same) as every other team in the Conference not fowl. (I couldn't resist the pun).

 

[stinger78]

but the Big XII needs to check it out and find out if they're serious about leaving. If they're still listening than the Big XII needs to make them an offer they can't refuse. The advantages of having GT in the Big XII are obvious. They're a top notch fb team right now, it's a good school, and we would have the city of Atlanta a big city. And it might open some doors for recruiting in Georgia. If you didn't know if before you know it now. There are a lot of good players in the GA high schools. And with WV in the Big XII we should expand to the east.

Here's the link:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/college/pa...llege-football

It's a pipe dream right now but who knows all they can do is say no.

Flattered by the respect (understanding much of it is to open up GA recruiting). However, the ACC has been very very good to us over the years, scheduling issues notwithstanding. They do screw us on that, and we've been messed with over bowl assignments in the past - not recently. I do think, though, that the new assignment of rights locks us into the ACC for the foreseeable future. This all happened after Maryland jumped to the B1G.

The bigger issue on scheduling "favors" is that us, FSU and VT have gotten shafted more than anyone, with Clemson and Miami not too far behind. Who's played in the ACCCG more than anyone else since 2005?

VT - 6
FSU - 5
Clemson - 4
GA Tech - 4

One other team has 2, and three have 1.

Go figure. It's just the Tobacco Road Mafia at it again.

 

[outhereincali]

Flattered by the respect (understanding much of it is to open up GA recruiting). However, the ACC has been very very good to us over the years, scheduling issues notwithstanding. They do screw us on that, and we've been messed with over bowl assignments in the past - not recently. I do think, though, that the new assignment of rights locks us into the ACC for the foreseeable future. This all happened after Maryland jumped to the B1G.

The bigger issue on scheduling "favors" is that us, FSU and VT have gotten shafted more than anyone, with Clemson and Miami not too far behind. Who's played in the ACCCG more than anyone else since 2005?

VT - 6
FSU - 5
Clemson - 4
GA Tech - 4

One other team has 2, and three have 1.

Go figure. It's just the Tobacco Road Mafia at it again.

I agree and as I said before I don't have any illusions that GT will leave.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Interesting. This thread is trending on Yahoo for whatever reason.

 

[outhereincali]

Flattered by the respect (understanding much of it is to open up GA recruiting). However, the ACC has been very very good to us over the years, scheduling issues notwithstanding. They do screw us on that, and we've been messed with over bowl assignments in the past - not recently. I do think, though, that the new assignment of rights locks us into the ACC for the foreseeable future. This all happened after Maryland jumped to the B1G.

The bigger issue on scheduling "favors" is that us, FSU and VT have gotten shafted more than anyone, with Clemson and Miami not too far behind. Who's played in the ACCCG more than anyone else since 2005?

VT - 6
FSU - 5
Clemson - 4
GA Tech - 4

One other team has 2, and three have 1.

Go figure. It's just the Tobacco Road Mafia at it again.

Congrats to your school, your conference for your unprecedented success in fb this year. The ACC was the best conference in the country and not just because Clemson beat Alabama. Your conference as a whole did great. And there's no reason to think it won't stay that way. I mean lets face it, for a long time ACC fb sucked, everyone knew it was a basketball conference. But look at all the top notch fb coaches the ACC has hired the last few years. I ain't just your man Paul Johnson and Dabo. On and props to your man Johnson for going 4/0 against the SEC.

 

[ChazzMo]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that teams might ask for an off week before playing GT. GTplays an offense no one else sees (unless they play Navy also), which features cut blocking by GT's OL. Guys have to really know how to play against that offense not only to be effective, but to try to protect their knees and not get a serious injury.

 

[topdecktiger]

RE-READ what I wrote. Only ONE team has had a PRESEASON schedule like I described for the ENTIRE CONFERENCE over a 10 year period (now that the new schedule has been released), and THAT team is GA Tech. I would add that USUALLY, GA Tech is playing against THREE teams which have byes weeks before their contest as well as at least one team that plays against one of the Service Acadamy programs (Navy and now Army) that plays a similar offense as GA Tech the week PRIOR to the contest between the two ACC teams. There's an old saying that goes something like this: If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and has webbed feet like a duck, you don't call it a chicken, you call it a duck.

You're calling what the ACC is doing to GA Tech a chicken when it's really a duck, and GA Tech deserves to be treated equitably (the same) as every other team in the Conference not fowl. (I couldn't resist the pun).

This is a couple of weeks old, but I wanted to reply. Your claim is that Georgia Tech is being treated unfairly because they are the only school in the last 10 years facing at least one opponent who had a bye. My point was, that's not indicative of unfair treatment. Florida St. has faced at least one opponent coming off of a bye in all but one season since 2008 (the timeframe we are discussing.) Along with that, Georgia Tech was originally not going to face a team coming off of a bye in 2012. (This was the PRESEASON schedule. It had to be reshuffled shortly after being released.) Point being, Georgia Tech isn't being singled out, and you can prove this just by pointing to Florida St's schedule. Aside from that, Georgia Tech isn't usually playing three teams coming off byes. Usually it's one. Your argument wouldn't hold up in court.