You're showing your ass. This country is still great and as great as it has ever been.
If you are going to start something make sure you can finish it.
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Did the guy really deserve to get knocked out?
UPDATE: A spectator who filmed the punch from several rows up told Colorado Springs TV station KKTV that the Padres fan thought he was being verbally taunted. The spectator said fans were actually yelling at someone else, a teenager who was angry that his father was ejected from the stadium for vaping.
Denver police tweeted Thursday that no arrests were made. They said the Padres fan "was contacted" but the man who was slugged chose not to press charges.
There had to be previous contact,just no way a grown man walks that far to hit a random man for no reason
That guy was not prepared to defend himself and was not aware the right was coming therefore its a cheap shot. The padre got got his shot in first for that reason. He should go to prison for assault.
So since the Padres' guy's wife was not groped in the hot dog line, can we go ahead and say he was in the wrong here? Jeez.
That’s true. You weren’t quoting me, but what I meant is that I tell my son not to start a fight, but if some guy is coming at you, do what you have to.
Shoulda been prepared! you can say what you want to someone yes, but you know when you are saying something that is agitating another person. if your doing this and are not prepared to get punched than thats on you for being a dumbass and not reading the situation. can definitley tell which people have never been in an altercation.
You're pretty much locked in, that's for sure. Very little wiggle room. However, he should've put his hands up in a non-threatening way to de-escalate the situation. And be watching for the guy to throw the punch. With his hands in a ready position he can block the punch. Standing there with your hands by your side expecting that the guy is just going to talk is asking for trouble.
This. I was never the aggressor at first. However, if someone came at me aggressively, I didn't allow him to get the punch in. I became the aggressor. I have lost fights, been jumped on by many and spent nights in the hospital and/or a county cell and I've put a few in the hospital. The worst fight I was involved in was in Kerrville at a bar called Neighbors. This was in the early 90's. I was there with my girlfriend. She went to the bar to get a drink and I saw a guy talking to her. He raised his hand to hit her and I jumped across 3 tables and tackled him. I dragged him outside and beat the crap out of him. I hit him so hard one of his teeth stuck in my knuckle. Next thing I knew I was jumped on and was the worst beating I've ever had. We both ended up in the ER that night. He was arrested for attempted battery of a woman and my charges were dropped for defending her. I've always taught my boys to defend themselves and others that can't. If they can avoid the fight, great, but never let anyone put their hand on you in an aggressive manner.
Well, with multiple videos of the incident, it tells me there was some lead up, and some comments being said. Otherwise people wouldn't have had their cameras out.
Also, those comments went both ways. It's not as if some dude stood up and said, "Padre's suck", and another dude, half a section away, came over and punched him.
They were both talking to shit to each other, most likely.
For a situation like that to escalate to a fight/brawl, is stupid. They're both at fault. Also, if the DA had the inclination, he'd be able to charge the puncher. And that dude is fortunate the punchee isn't pressing charges.
I'm confused on how this devolved into a discussion with all us of telling stories about prior fights and defending someone who can't defend themselves.
These two grown men (by appearances) were at a baseball game. They ended up getting into a fight. That's bullshit.
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yea, that idiot needs to spend some time in prison, that's assault any way you cut it, not to mention, galactically stupid behavior
i know the guy that got knocked out didn't press charges, the DA should prosecute anyway and MLB should ban that piece of shit from ever attending another game ever.
Not going go anywhere, like you said really nowhere to go. I learned that when someone comes at you aggressively you go to them and don't allow him to be the aggressor because he has the advantage if you do. At the same time that guy should have known whatever he was saying was going to trigger a response and should have been ready for the consequences of his actions. Always try and defuse the situation as much possible but obviously that guy had his mind made up to engage with other guy who was jawing at him.
Thank you. I ask myself the same question all the time. It absolutely mystifies me.
Back in the day when I was a freshman at UT, I was walking out of Gregory gym and this dude starting some smack talk with me after we had just beat their team in a pickup bball game. I told him to "F off" and walked away towards Jester. He grabbed me and turned me around and cocked me in the face and stomach. I was pretty much knocked out. Well in the spring semester, I ran into him playing intramural softball on an opposite team. Well this time, I called him out and he came at me again but this time the end result was a bit different. I broke his nose and jaw. Not very proud of that upon retrospect as I got older since I could have killed him and my life perhaps would have turned out way different.
Not really sure what went down between those two fans but the dude that punched him could have killed him.......Since that day my spring semester, I have only practiced self-defense and have never been the aggressor even if taunted.
Not really sure what went down between those two fans but the dude that punched him could have killed him.......Since that day my spring semester, I have only practiced self-defense and have never been the aggressor even if taunted.
I will say that the one time I really got hurt in a fight was when I didn’t follow my own rule and allowed a skinny 5’7 guy to approach me up close and throw the first punch. His first punch broke my nose. Thankfully adrenaline took over @pobo33 and I ended the fight.
I may have won the fight but I woke up the next day with a broken nose that hurt like hell. Lesson learned. Also never underestimate an opponent even if they are smaller than you.
I don’t advocate fighting. I teach my boys to never start a fight but they are allowed to pro actively defend themselves.
You're entitled to your opinion, but the only cause for what he did is if he felt threatened or in immediate danger to himself. He walked over and punched someone in the face who was previously sitting down. Under your logic the guy that was sitting down should have thrown the first punch then when the other guy stepped up to him? One guy followed the law the other didn't. The one that didn't should spend time in jail. He could have seriously injured the guy he sucker punched.
TT- the law seems to be on your side.
"Consent" is a defense to assault under Section 22.06 of the Texas Penal Code; a person cannot be (or at least should not legally be) convicted of assault if the other guy consented to the fight/assault.
And "Consent" is a better defense than "Self Defense", because "Self Defense" cannot be raised/invoked by words alone (in response to verbal provocation). "Consent" CAN BE raised/invoked by words alone, and "Consent" can also be raised/invoked by non-verbal communication.
Additional note- the "Consent" defense does not apply to Class C Disorderly Conduct/Fighting in Public, and the "Consent" defense does not apply to Aggravated Assault (where someone gets maimed or deadly weapons are involved).
There are obviously a lot of people who are not going to like the law on this subject.
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From the side angle, you can see him starting to lift both hands, either to diffuse or push him back. He didn't get time to.
What if they said, "hey, I am gonna fight you now!" does that still make me the douche when I fight him too?
The Oklahoma bathroom fight ended with no charges, for this exact reason. They decided it was mutual combat (dude said, "what you got, bro?" and shoved the other guy. other guy showed him exactly what he had) and let all parties walk.
You risk the chance of ruining the rest of your life if you want to punch someone.
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Yes it was quick, but he puts both hands on the guy's chest to try and stop his momentum which left him completely open to the right hook. He should've had both hands up instead. It's a very non-threatening gesture, but allows you to get your hands up without "showing your dukes." Locking out your arms instead of you leaves you wide open.
The guy who was sitting down and talking should have been aware that the other guy was walking over to him with aggressive intentions. Yet he stayed seated. That's on him for not knowing the situation. And no it was not a sucker punch! He literally saw it comming. He just got hit in the mouth. Absolutely nothi g wrong with that. And yes that is just my opinion. The guy sitting down should have absolutely hit the other guy in the face first. If you are at the talking shit stage then u need to be prepared for the next stage otherwise stay seated and shut up! At no point did either one EVER deserve jail time!!
Agreed, that’s exactly what I was thinking...and he said what he was going to do as he walked towards him.
You literally are free to say almost anything that isn’t a threat and you cannot be physically assaulted.
starting it is limited to throwing the first punch.
It’s crazy how we treat fist fights. People talk trash, and people get hit. They use to duel it out in the street with revolvers.
A family member of mine is a convicted felon for one punch. Guy was talking trash to him at the bar. Words exchanged. Deescalated.
Two am hits. They are all leaving the bar. Guy calls him a puss*. He hits him once. Because it was a damn good shot and broke a face bone, it was a felony.
I’d rather these things not happen. But they do. And if it’s provoked in any way, it shouldnt be a felony unless you stomp them into the ground once they fall.
It happens. Check out De Blasio's New York City and their subway system. I saw a report there were 4 such incidents there today.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/14/three-slashed-one-punched-in-chain-of-attacks-on-nyc-subway/
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