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Two years ago ESPN cut several hundred behind the scenes jobs to save hundreds of millions of dollars in yearly costs. Since that time ESPN's subscriber losses have accelerated, averaging over three million lost subscribers a year. Now new jobs cuts are coming, only this time you're likely to know some of the casualties -- Outkick has heard from a variety of different sources that ESPN is cutting up to $100 million in on-air salaries.



Yep, on air. This means you're going to know many of the people leaving the network.

The cuts will come via buyouts and expiring contracts that won't be renewed and when those layoffs start becoming apparent many will recognize that what Outkick has been writing for a couple of years now -- ESPN is in a world of trouble and doesn't know how to stem a rapidly collapsing business model.

ESPN's collapse is the biggest story in sports yet most still haven't realized it.

That business collapse at ESPN has caused a panic at the network, a desperate grab for relevance that has led to a pronounced leftward move. ESPN's trying desperately to stay relevant as ratings collapse and subscribers flee. The decision? "We'll be MSESPN, the home for far left wing politics and sports!" Only, it's not working.

Maybe it will take dozens of on-air talent leaving ESPN for cost reasons to bring this lesson home. (And I'm certainly not rooting for these people to lose their jobs. I've lost multiple sports media jobs before. It always sucks to go through that process. But every job I ever lost was rooted in a basic business reality, the company wasn't making the money it needed to make to keep me employed.) ESPN's collapse is a basic business reality, just like when the subprime mortgage crisis bubble popped. ESPN assumed that its subscriber numbers were going to remain fairly stable as it spent billions on sports rights. This wasn't a bad bet since its subscribers had gone up consistently from 1979 to 2011. But in 2011, the number of national cable subscribers peaked. Since that time they've been going down every month.

Over the past several years ESPN has lost over 13 million cable and satellite subscribers. Given that each subscriber pays ESPN in the neighborhood of $7 a month for the network, that's over a billion dollars a year in lost revenue that will never be recouped. And those losses aren't stopping. Indeed, every single day in 2017 ESPN is losing 10,000 subscribers or more.

That's why I projected that ESPN is on pace to start losing money by 2021.

At the same time that ESPN has been hemorrhaging subscribers, the network has also been paying incredible sums of money for live sports rights. In fact, ESPN will pay out $7.3 billion for sports rights in 2017, that's more than any company in America will pay for media content.

Let's be generous and say that ESPN's average per month subscriber price will be $7.50 in 2017. That's higher than it will be, but let's say that's the cost that every single cable and satellite subscriber will be paying for ESPN in 2017. This means ESPN will do roughly $8 billion in revenue in 2017. Add in another two billion in advertising revenue and we're talking about $10 billion in total revenue. We don't know what ESPN's costs are in 2017, but let's presume that they are less than $2.7 billion. That means ESPN will still be profitable in 2017.

But those rights fees continue to rise and ESPN's subscriber revenue continues to decline. This means that at some point in the near future the network will start to lose money. It's as inevitable as Skip Bayless comparing LeBron James to Michael Jordan every day for the next five years.

If we're very conservative and project that ESPN continues to lose 3 million subscribers a year -- below the rate that they are currently losing subscribers -- then ESPN's household subscriber numbers would look like this over the next five years:

2017: 86 million subscribers

2018: 83 million subscribers

2019: 80 million subscribers

2020: 77 million subscribers

2021: 74 million subscribers

At 74 million subscribers -- Outkick's projection for 2021 based on the past five years of subscriber losses -- ESPN, now costing $8 a month, produces $7.1 billion in subscriber revenue. That's less than the yearly rights fees cost in 2017. And that's being generous about the number of subscribers, it may well be much less than 74 million.

It's fair to say that by 2021 ESPN's rights fees will cost at least $8 billion a year, and probably much more than that.

So within five years ESPN will be bringing in less subscriber revenue than they've committed for sports rights. Advertising dollars will still help, but when you factor in the costs of doing business ESPN will be losing money by 2021, potentially sooner.

Which is why ESPN's cutting employees so aggressively. They see the math coming, it's inevitable now. The problem is that ESPN can't cut costs fast enough to make up for the changing business reality.

Now I've written a ton about this story because I think it's the biggest in sports. Inevitably people don't read the article and they always Tweet, "You're just biased! What about FS1!" (Seriously, check my mentions and see how many people will do this. Feel free to brand them idiots.). First, I'm not on FS1 daily so I don't know why you think I'm biased in favor of FS1. I own 100% of Outkick, the website you're reading right now, and the vast majority of my income doesn't come from Fox. In fact, Fox pays me about 25% of what I'll make this year, virtually none of that from television. So the idea that I'm biased in favor of FS1 is laughable.

As I've written before, the reason I'm focused on ESPN is because ESPN has the most to lose in all of media. In fact, ESPN by itself stands to lose as much money as over a hundred cable channels do combined. ESPN stands to lose three times as much from the collapse of cable than Fox, CBS, and NBC do combined. That's because ESPN's business model is more predicated on subscriber fees than any company in America.

Yes, the decline in cable and satellite subscribers will hurt all channels, but the loss of millions of subscribers to CNN matters much less because CNN makes much less in subscriber revenue than ESPN. What's more, CNN doesn't have the fixed costs on content that ESPN does. If CNN makes less money on subscriber revenue, they can spend less on news gathering. If AMC makes less money in subscriber fees, they'll pay for fewer TV shows, but ESPN's entire business is predicated on the billions they owe for sports rights every year into the foreseeable future. ESPN made a bet that exclusive live sports rights would be the moat that protected Cinderella's castle from all attackers. The problem is this, that moat flooded Cinderella's castle instead.

Moreover, the sports businesses of Fox, NBC, and CBS are more protected because the vast majority of their best games are all on network TV, which may well return to primacy when it comes to sports. Look at the roster of games that Fox, NBC, and CBS have -- virtually all of the top draws air on the main broadcast networks. The NFL's AFC and NFC packages, the World Series, the Super Bowl, the SEC game of the week, the best college football games in other conferences, Sunday Night Football, the big Olympic events, the U.S. Open, the British Open, and the Masters, all air on "free" TV. ESPN -- and Turner -- are the only two networks that put their biggest sporting events on cable. (The college football playoff, Monday Night Football, and most of the NBA's Eastern Conference playoffs air on ESPN, which is how ESPN justifies its massive cable and satellite subscription fees. Turner carries the majority of the NCAA Tournament games on cable as well.)

Unlike CBS, NBC, and Fox, ESPN can't fall back on advertising revenue because ad revenue only represents around 25% of ESPN's revenue. The vast majority of ESPN's income comes from subscriber revenue. And that revenue isn't going to be there in the future. ESPN can't go over-the-top due to its existing contracts with cable and satellite companies and it can't get out of the existing contracts it signed for sports rights either. What's more, these lower cost Internet sign ups like Sling and the new YouTube offering allow month by month sign-ups. So even if millions of people end up signing up for these channels over the Internet, most will only sign up on a seasonal basis. (This is the biggest challenge to leagues going over-the-top too. Why would you pay for ESPN all year around when you might just be, say, a football fan? A football fan could pay for ESPN for September-December and save the money for the other eight months of the year.)

Looking at the NFL's TV revenue in 2016 tells this story. Here is what each network airing NFL games made off of advertising in 2016:

Fox: $1.44 billion

NBC: $909 million

CBS: $867 million

ESPN/ABC: $285 million

ESPN paid the NFL $2 billion to make $285 million in ad revenue.

Why is ESPN's revenue so much lower? Because it has many fewer games and many fewer people watch ESPN than watch games on Fox, NBC and CBS. The NFL's major network partners are roughly breakeven, ESPN loses $1.7 billion airing NFL games and the highlight packages surrounding those games.

Gulp.

Come 2021, that expense won't be tenable for ESPN unless Disney is prepared to lose billions on the network.

From 1979 to 2011 ESPN had the best business model in the history of sports. (The cable and satellite bundle is the greatest money making venture in the history of media.) But starting in 2011 the business began to change. In a hurry. Most didn't recognize it, but I wrote my first article about ESPN's challenges in 2011. Right at the absolute peak of the cable market, I wrote this piece, "Why ESPN has already lost the future." I didn't get everything right -- far from it -- but my basic thesis was correct -- ESPN was a glorified middleman that most didn't need. ESPN realized this and overpaid for sports rights to ensure its continuing relevancy.

The worst TV contract in the history of sports was the result -- ESPN's rights deal with the NBA. A deal so lucrative for the NBA that every cable and satellite subscriber in the country, the vast majority of whom will never watch an NBA game, is paying over $30 a year for the NBA. That's how Mike Conley can make over $30 million a year.

Mike Conley!

But the bubble has since popped.

Now it's just a question of how quickly ESPN can cut costs. And of how many people are going to be left unemployed as a result.


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the era of cable is rapidly coming to an end. I dont know what comes next, but in the end, th sports stars might not make 20 Million/year....It wont matter to me because I will be long gone before the sports empire crashes, but I might live long enough to see where the "live gate' might once again be the main revenue in sports.
 
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Yes, the colapse of the sports edifice as we know it will be coming soon. It only accelerates from here. NBA teams will be the first to file for bankruptcy followed by baseball then football. Nba collapses in less than 2 years. Ha ha mark cuban.
 
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A parallel I am interested in that relates to this topic is the music industry. Is anybody knowledgeable about that dynamic? I have no clue, but, there may be some common issues. At this point, I think it is a normal change or adaptation to the current consumer. ESPN may even be ahead of the game and making changes ahead of everybody else. I do know that everybody wants to see their team play and we have been spoiled in getting to see so much of what we love. ESPN has a very broad infrastructure that has the ability to deliver the consumer what it wants. Thus, I think they will be in good shape. I won't pretend to have any industry knowledge about this interesting topic, but, just my general thoughts.
 
As far as people who are leaving I read after the SB that ESPN is going to limit Chris Berman's time on tv. It's time. As far as Gameday and college fb go I imagine that because of his age, 80+, Lee Corso will be cut loose. Does anybody besides his mother even like Paul Finebaum? I really don't who will be going, could be people in low interest sports.

Let me also add this. As far as college fb and Gameday is concerned is there anybody that is really interesting? As far as I'm concerned keep Joe Tessitore, Todd Blackledge, Holly Rowe, Tom Luginbill, and Dave Pasch and do what they will with everyone else.

Of course everyone has opinions on personnel as to who they want to stay.

Not just Gameday but are any of those shows worth watching? Steven A Smith ranting and raving is just not worth the time to listen to him. When it comes to personnel what will they do with the SEC, and Big X networks? Where does the LHN stand with ESPN?
 
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A parallel I do know that everybody wants to see their team play and we have been spoiled in getting to see so much of what we love.
Growing up, Texas was only on TV twice a season + a bowl game. My second year of marriage I noticed that, with cable, they'd be on FIVE times that season! I told my wife we had to get cable but that we'd only keep it for three months. That was 30 years ago. I still have cable. I still have my wife.
 
Live sports is the number one thing that was keeping adult males from cord cutting/shaving and ESPN bet they could get an even bigger premium as they were what was keeping that demographic subscribing to cable/satellite. They lost.
 
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the era of cable is rapidly coming to an end. I dont know what comes next, but in the end, th sports stars might not make 20 Million/year....It wont matter to me because I will be long gone before the sports empire crashes, but I might live long enough to see where the "live gate' might once again be the main revenue in sports.

I don't think sports is going to crash. The consumers are still there, they are all just behind the curve in reaching them, and ESPN in particular just doubled down with so many horrible contracts.
 
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Well...its starts with that garbage of SC6. That show is crap. SHOW SPORTS!!!

ESPN's programming has been terrible for a long time, imo. But that's not really the issue here. I am guessing their ratings are probably fine. The problem is cord cutters and ESPN's sport content contracts. They are losing too much revenue from cable providers because of cord cutting. People aren't cutting the cord because ESPN's programming sucks, they are doing it because they are tired of the entire cable model.

If you aren't really a sports fan and have access to decent internet there is almost no reason that you should have cable.
 
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Maybe ESPN can replace on-air ex-jocks with H1-Bs to save $$, like parent company Disney.
 
ESPN will be fine. They will need to adjust with the times, but sports isn't going anywhere. If they do not adjust then some other entity will pick up the slack. FauxSportz denigrating their rival is not a surprise either. I followed the story up until it brought up politics, then I was done.
 
ESPN will be fine. They will need to adjust with the times, but sports isn't going anywhere. If they do not adjust then some other entity will pick up the slack. FauxSportz denigrating their rival is not a surprise either. I followed the story up until it brought up politics, then I was done.

I mean sports aren't going away but ESPN doesn't have to survive just because sports will still exists. There are plenty of avenues of consuming sports. Professional sports all have their own networks now.
 
Ima break it down for you:
Espn spent ridiculous amounts of money on conference affiliations. Hell, they gave us hundreds of millions alone!
Then let's look at the broadcasting rights. Unheard of amounts of money. Then all of the sudden, the "broadcasting arm" of espn (abc) starts taking marching orders from Mickey Mouse. Walt and Mickey want more "human interest" stories because here at Disney, we celebrate that it's a small, small world and we are all unique in that world.
Fast forward a couple of years and EVERY espn show has a common (or common themes):
Diversity-------

We are all different, but we are all alike. There was a memo that went out to all espn employees that were on air personalities explaining to them the new narrative that they wanted to pursue. Of course that memo will never see the light of day-- but it's rumored that espn wanted to start politicizing sports because in their mind it works like this:

Sports sells!
Politics sells!
Put the two together and BAM! Everybody will watch!

Well---- it didn't work. And it's been nose diving ever since.

Don't believe me? Check this out....

I remember the ESPY's being an awesomely fun night to watch. Every year I tuned in to see "play of the year" or "team of the year" or whatever. It was always on ESPN in prime time.
THEN one year, it was broadcast live on ABC for the first time. Remember that? A few years back? And what happened that night? There was a portion where ABC broadcast for over 30 minutes uninterrupted by commercials. That was unheard of in award show broadcasts. They ALWAYS break for commercials in ANY awards show (Oscars, emmys, etc). On this night there was a "courage award" given to a person that was a male that had decided he wanted to dress and look like a female---- Bruce Jenner.

I recorded it (as I usually do) and watched it when I came home. According to my DVR, when the segment started, they ran for over 30 minutes without breaks. He was given unfettered access to live, prime time television and gave a VERY long speech telling us about his virtues and what lead him to become a woman-----

Fast forward to now. If you look at when espn's true nose dive began, when viewers started to tune out espn, it was that moment.

Instead of espn realizing that right or wrong, people were turned off by that moment, instead of backing away from politicizing sports, Disney doubled down.

Every Saturday I religiously watch college game day. Every Saturday it becomes less about football and more about race, religion, social justice issues, politics and the like. I watch sports to get AWAY from politics, not to be inundated by it. It culminated (for me at least) with Kirk Herbstreet basically calling Austin a sh!t hole and the University of Texas being filled with racist white people that wanted to lynch Charlie Strong. Disney has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in our program and they allowed Kirk to choose to focus on politics and sling racist accusations, instead of protecting their investment.

Disney has CHOSEN social justice over a profit. They want to preach to you about equality instead of debating the 4/3 defense. They would rather talk about racism instead of the zone read.

I understand that when you have a huge microphone like Disney has, you can control the narrative. But it doesn't mean people want to hear it---- and therein lies the problem. Right or wrong, people don't want to be lectured about social justice while watching sports. They just want to watch SPORTS! Sports are entertainment. Sports are our way of zoning out and forgetting about the bullsh!t going on in the world for a few hours. When backup quarterbacks won't stand for the anthem (big deal) and it becomes from page news on espn, when every sports debate show leads with this for months, people get sick of it.

The only way for Disney to right this ship is to go back to 2006 and watch some of their programming and try to recreate that atmosphere. But they won't, and we all know it. That genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back in. Which is why espn will continue to lose viewership. It will never fully "die", because Disney is too big to fail, but it also will never be that monster it used to be.
 
I mean sports aren't going away but ESPN doesn't have to survive just because sports will still exists. There are plenty of avenues of consuming sports. Professional sports all have their own networks now.

/agree...but if ESPN goes under I don't think I will lose any sleep.
 
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Ima break it down for you:
Espn spent ridiculous amounts of money on conference affiliations. Hell, they gave us hundreds of millions alone!
Then let's look at the broadcasting rights. Unheard of amounts of money. Then all of the sudden, the "broadcasting arm" of espn (abc) starts taking marching orders from Mickey Mouse. Walt and Mickey want more "human interest" stories because here at Disney, we celebrate that it's a small, small world and we are all unique in that world.
Fast forward a couple of years and EVERY espn show has a common (or common themes):
Diversity-------

We are all different, but we are all alike. There was a memo that went out to all espn employees that were on air personalities explaining to them the new narrative that they wanted to pursue. Of course that memo will never see the light of day-- but it's rumored that espn wanted to start politicizing sports because in their mind it works like this:

Sports sells!
Politics sells!
Put the two together and BAM! Everybody will watch!

Well---- it didn't work. And it's been nose diving ever since.

Don't believe me? Check this out....

I remember the ESPY's being an awesomely fun night to watch. Every year I tuned in to see "play of the year" or "team of the year" or whatever. It was always on ESPN in prime time.
THEN one year, it was broadcast live on ABC for the first time. Remember that? A few years back? And what happened that night? There was a portion where ABC broadcast for over 30 minutes uninterrupted by commercials. That was unheard of in award show broadcasts. They ALWAYS break for commercials in ANY awards show (Oscars, emmys, etc). On this night there was a "courage award" given to a person that was a male that had decided he wanted to dress and look like a female---- Bruce Jenner.

I recorded it (as I usually do) and watched it when I came home. According to my DVR, when the segment started, they ran for over 30 minutes without breaks. He was given unfettered access to live, prime time television and gave a VERY long speech telling us about his virtues and what lead him to become a woman-----

Fast forward to now. If you look at when espn's true nose dive began, when viewers started to tune out espn, it was that moment.

Instead of espn realizing that right or wrong, people were turned off by that moment, instead of backing away from politicizing sports, Disney doubled down.

Every Saturday I religiously watch college game day. Every Saturday it becomes less about football and more about race, religion, social justice issues, politics and the like. I watch sports to get AWAY from politics, not to be inundated by it. It culminated (for me at least) with Kirk Herbstreet basically calling Austin a sh!t hole and the University of Texas being filled with racist white people that wanted to lynch Charlie Strong. Disney has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in our program and they allowed Kirk to choose to focus on politics and sling racist accusations, instead of protecting their investment.

Disney has CHOSEN social justice over a profit. They want to preach to you about equality instead of debating the 4/3 defense. They would rather talk about racism instead of the zone read.

I understand that when you have a huge microphone like Disney has, you can control the narrative. But it doesn't mean people want to hear it---- and therein lies the problem. Right or wrong, people don't want to be lectured about social justice while watching sports. They just want to watch SPORTS! Sports are entertainment. Sports are our way of zoning out and forgetting about the bullsh!t going on in the world for a few hours. When backup quarterbacks won't stand for the anthem (big deal) and it becomes from page news on espn, when every sports debate show leads with this for months, people get sick of it.

The only way for Disney to right this ship is to go back to 2006 and watch some of their programming and try to recreate that atmosphere. But they won't, and we all know it. That genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back in. Which is why espn will continue to lose viewership. It will never fully "die", because Disney is too big to fail, but it also will never be that monster it used to be.

This may be accurate, but I didn't see it. The only thing I ever watch on ESPN is games. When the talking heads start blabbing I tune out, or go to the fridge for another beer. I can't even listen to sports radio anymore because they don't actually talk sports. I'll have several games on at once, and once the sports broadcasters start flapping their lips, I hit the 'ol 'last channel' button and viola, babbling noise gone.
 
I don't like ESPN's content outside of live sports, but their programming direction is not the reason they are in trouble right now. I mean it is somewhat because the stupidly locked themselves up to pay ridiculous amounts for sports rights, but not because they've got too political. I don't know what ESPN's ratings are but I would guess they are within a realm of a normal range. What they weren't counting on when they made these contracts is millions of people detaching from cable. It doesn't matter if you never watched ESPN in your life, if you have cable you are giving them a major revenue stream.

There are plenty of people that want to consume sports and detached from the cable model, which is for sure dying. Will ESPN create a product that reaches enough of those people to cover their insane rights contracts?

Right now if you were a heavy sports consumer via the cable model you were getting a big discount because everyone was paying in a little regardless of use. Now people don't want that they want to pay for what they use. Maybe sports is all you watched and you still come out ahead because you won't be paying for the other crap, or maybe you were just a casual fan and realize that $25/month sub to ESPN isn't worth it.
 
Right or wrong, people don't want to be lectured about social justice while watching sports. They just want to watch SPORTS! Sports are entertainment. Sports are our way of zoning out and forgetting about the bullsh!t going on in the world for a few hours. When backup quarterbacks won't stand for the anthem (big deal) and it becomes from page news on espn, when every sports debate show leads with this for months, people get sick of it.
This x 100. Without getting into whether liberals or conservatives are correct - I don't want to hear about it when watching a game. I just want to watch Lee Corso put on the mascot head. I now finding myself rooting for/against teams because of political views (example - Cal legislature won't allow Cal to play Kansas because Kansas's statutes against LGBTQ are not friendly - WTH?) ESPN used to have just the Sports Reporters show that got into political issues. Now it permeates every broadcast.
 
Ima break it down for you:
Espn spent ridiculous amounts of money on conference affiliations. Hell, they gave us hundreds of millions alone!
Then let's look at the broadcasting rights. Unheard of amounts of money. Then all of the sudden, the "broadcasting arm" of espn (abc) starts taking marching orders from Mickey Mouse. Walt and Mickey want more "human interest" stories because here at Disney, we celebrate that it's a small, small world and we are all unique in that world.
Fast forward a couple of years and EVERY espn show has a common (or common themes):
Diversity-------

We are all different, but we are all alike. There was a memo that went out to all espn employees that were on air personalities explaining to them the new narrative that they wanted to pursue. Of course that memo will never see the light of day-- but it's rumored that espn wanted to start politicizing sports because in their mind it works like this:

Sports sells!
Politics sells!
Put the two together and BAM! Everybody will watch!

Well---- it didn't work. And it's been nose diving ever since.

Don't believe me? Check this out....

I remember the ESPY's being an awesomely fun night to watch. Every year I tuned in to see "play of the year" or "team of the year" or whatever. It was always on ESPN in prime time.
THEN one year, it was broadcast live on ABC for the first time. Remember that? A few years back? And what happened that night? There was a portion where ABC broadcast for over 30 minutes uninterrupted by commercials. That was unheard of in award show broadcasts. They ALWAYS break for commercials in ANY awards show (Oscars, emmys, etc). On this night there was a "courage award" given to a person that was a male that had decided he wanted to dress and look like a female---- Bruce Jenner.

I recorded it (as I usually do) and watched it when I came home. According to my DVR, when the segment started, they ran for over 30 minutes without breaks. He was given unfettered access to live, prime time television and gave a VERY long speech telling us about his virtues and what lead him to become a woman-----

Fast forward to now. If you look at when espn's true nose dive began, when viewers started to tune out espn, it was that moment.

Instead of espn realizing that right or wrong, people were turned off by that moment, instead of backing away from politicizing sports, Disney doubled down.

Every Saturday I religiously watch college game day. Every Saturday it becomes less about football and more about race, religion, social justice issues, politics and the like. I watch sports to get AWAY from politics, not to be inundated by it. It culminated (for me at least) with Kirk Herbstreet basically calling Austin a sh!t hole and the University of Texas being filled with racist white people that wanted to lynch Charlie Strong. Disney has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in our program and they allowed Kirk to choose to focus on politics and sling racist accusations, instead of protecting their investment.

Disney has CHOSEN social justice over a profit. They want to preach to you about equality instead of debating the 4/3 defense. They would rather talk about racism instead of the zone read.

I understand that when you have a huge microphone like Disney has, you can control the narrative. But it doesn't mean people want to hear it---- and therein lies the problem. Right or wrong, people don't want to be lectured about social justice while watching sports. They just want to watch SPORTS! Sports are entertainment. Sports are our way of zoning out and forgetting about the bullsh!t going on in the world for a few hours. When backup quarterbacks won't stand for the anthem (big deal) and it becomes from page news on espn, when every sports debate show leads with this for months, people get sick of it.

The only way for Disney to right this ship is to go back to 2006 and watch some of their programming and try to recreate that atmosphere. But they won't, and we all know it. That genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back in. Which is why espn will continue to lose viewership. It will never fully "die", because Disney is too big to fail, but it also will never be that monster it used to be.
The great thing about sports is equal opportunity, not equal results.
 
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The only thing that's worth watching/listening to on ESPN, outside of live sports broacasts, is Mike & Mike.

Meh, they're ok. I listen to a lot of sports talk radio when I'm driving, but what really grates on my nerves about ESPN radio is the non-stop commercial plugs during their shows and the amount of commercials that they have. It is literally just about 50-50 content vs commercials. Every time they go to a commercial I either change the channel or turn down the volume on the radio until they come back from all of the annoying commercials. I do the same thing when watching TV. The mute button is the best feature of the remote.
 
Meh, they're ok. I listen to a lot of sports talk radio when I'm driving, but what really grates on my nerves about ESPN radio is the non-stop commercial plugs during their shows and the amount of commercials that they have. It is literally just about 50-50 content vs commercials. Every time they go to a commercial I either change the channel or turn down the volume on the radio until they come back from all of the annoying commercials. I do the same thing when watching TV. The mute button is the best feature of the remote.
I've learned to begin watching games about 30 minutes after they start - fast forward DVR makes the event a lot more enjoyable.
 
I've learned to begin watching games about 30 minutes after they start - fast forward DVR makes the event a lot more enjoyable.

With the exception of live sporting events, I record everything I watch and fast forward through the commercials. Can't stand 'em and won't watch them. When I'm watching a live event on TV I hit the mute button as soon as a commercial starts.
 
I think the death of cable and sports is largely overstated. Things may look different over the next decade, but the demand is still there. As long as the demand is there money will be made.
 
Soccer has no commercials...

It will continue to grow because you don't have to change the channel. I know many of you say it is "boring" or whatever excuse as to not watch it, but you can't argue that it is growing in popularity and TV ratings are (slowly) on the ascension. What is more "boring?" Watching a commercial every 5-8 minutes during and NFL game of which there is approximately 6-8 minutes of actual play, or when a soccer team tries to posses and plays the ball back to their keeper to reset their attack? What is worse? Watching a soccer player flop and roll over 10 times, watch a DL fake an injury to slow down a hurry up offense, or LeBron get carried off the court again because he sweat too much from his vag?

It is all a matter of perspective, obviously. NFL has too many commercials and criminals...people are getting tired of it. Baseball will soon have a $400M contract and people will get tired of it. NBA is flash and dash, dunk or hit a 3...and people are getting tired of it. Of course those sports won't ever "go away" and they will figure out how to make money, but people are looking for something else to watch.

Just my $.02
 
Ima break it down for you:
Espn spent ridiculous amounts of money on conference affiliations. Hell, they gave us hundreds of millions alone!
Then let's look at the broadcasting rights. Unheard of amounts of money. Then all of the sudden, the "broadcasting arm" of espn (abc) starts taking marching orders from Mickey Mouse. Walt and Mickey want more "human interest" stories because here at Disney, we celebrate that it's a small, small world and we are all unique in that world.
Fast forward a couple of years and EVERY espn show has a common (or common themes):
Diversity-------

We are all different, but we are all alike. There was a memo that went out to all espn employees that were on air personalities explaining to them the new narrative that they wanted to pursue. Of course that memo will never see the light of day-- but it's rumored that espn wanted to start politicizing sports because in their mind it works like this:

Sports sells!
Politics sells!
Put the two together and BAM! Everybody will watch!

Well---- it didn't work. And it's been nose diving ever since.

Don't believe me? Check this out....

I remember the ESPY's being an awesomely fun night to watch. Every year I tuned in to see "play of the year" or "team of the year" or whatever. It was always on ESPN in prime time.
THEN one year, it was broadcast live on ABC for the first time. Remember that? A few years back? And what happened that night? There was a portion where ABC broadcast for over 30 minutes uninterrupted by commercials. That was unheard of in award show broadcasts. They ALWAYS break for commercials in ANY awards show (Oscars, emmys, etc). On this night there was a "courage award" given to a person that was a male that had decided he wanted to dress and look like a female---- Bruce Jenner.

I recorded it (as I usually do) and watched it when I came home. According to my DVR, when the segment started, they ran for over 30 minutes without breaks. He was given unfettered access to live, prime time television and gave a VERY long speech telling us about his virtues and what lead him to become a woman-----

Fast forward to now. If you look at when espn's true nose dive began, when viewers started to tune out espn, it was that moment.

Instead of espn realizing that right or wrong, people were turned off by that moment, instead of backing away from politicizing sports, Disney doubled down.

Every Saturday I religiously watch college game day. Every Saturday it becomes less about football and more about race, religion, social justice issues, politics and the like. I watch sports to get AWAY from politics, not to be inundated by it. It culminated (for me at least) with Kirk Herbstreet basically calling Austin a sh!t hole and the University of Texas being filled with racist white people that wanted to lynch Charlie Strong. Disney has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in our program and they allowed Kirk to choose to focus on politics and sling racist accusations, instead of protecting their investment.

Disney has CHOSEN social justice over a profit. They want to preach to you about equality instead of debating the 4/3 defense. They would rather talk about racism instead of the zone read.

I understand that when you have a huge microphone like Disney has, you can control the narrative. But it doesn't mean people want to hear it---- and therein lies the problem. Right or wrong, people don't want to be lectured about social justice while watching sports. They just want to watch SPORTS! Sports are entertainment. Sports are our way of zoning out and forgetting about the bullsh!t going on in the world for a few hours. When backup quarterbacks won't stand for the anthem (big deal) and it becomes from page news on espn, when every sports debate show leads with this for months, people get sick of it.

The only way for Disney to right this ship is to go back to 2006 and watch some of their programming and try to recreate that atmosphere. But they won't, and we all know it. That genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back in. Which is why espn will continue to lose viewership. It will never fully "die", because Disney is too big to fail, but it also will never be that monster it used to be.


I've reread this article. Do you think that ESPN is just not capable of running with the big dogs like NBC, ABC, and CBS, when it comes to sports coverage? reading this article tells me that the NBA played ESPN for the fools when they signed their contract. You have any thoughts on this?
 
ESPN has made some missteps. The longhorn network was probably a mistep. Which by the way I really do think they'd let us out of it if we really wanted to move to the big 10/Sec wherever. They've probably paid to much for rights in some ways but the rights are what brings viewers so that's not as big an issue.

To me they're biggest missteps are talent. Why do you need 50 NFL analyst? Why does Gruden need to make 8 million a year to work 3 days a week? They got so caught up in keeping all the talent they started handing money out like crazy
 
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ESPN has made some missteps. The longhorn network was probably a mistep. Which by the way I really do think they'd let us out of it if we really wanted to move to the big 10/Sec wherever. They've probably paid to much for rights in some ways but the rights are what brings viewers so that's not as big an issue.

To me they're biggest missteps are talent. Why do you need 50 NFL analyst? Why does Gruden need to make 8 million a year to work 3 days a week? They got so caught up in keeping all the talent they started handing money out like crazy

True that. I mean how many pre and post game shows do you need? How many studio shows do you need? I mean how many talking head shows do you need?

And after awhile you notice that they're basically saying the same thing. Is there anyone who offers a fresh take on ESPN? That's why I quit watching.
 
ESPN's programming has been terrible for a long time, imo. But that's not really the issue here. I am guessing their ratings are probably fine. The problem is cord cutters and ESPN's sport content contracts. They are losing too much revenue from cable providers because of cord cutting. People aren't cutting the cord because ESPN's programming sucks, they are doing it because they are tired of the entire cable model.

If you aren't really a sports fan and have access to decent internet there is almost no reason that you should have cable.

Can you please elaborate.
 
Soccer has no commercials...

It will continue to grow because you don't have to change the channel. I know many of you say it is "boring" or whatever excuse as to not watch it, but you can't argue that it is growing in popularity and TV ratings are (slowly) on the ascension. What is more "boring?" Watching a commercial every 5-8 minutes during and NFL game of which there is approximately 6-8 minutes of actual play, or when a soccer team tries to posses and plays the ball back to their keeper to reset their attack? What is worse? Watching a soccer player flop and roll over 10 times, watch a DL fake an injury to slow down a hurry up offense, or LeBron get carried off the court again because he sweat too much from his vag?

It is all a matter of perspective, obviously. NFL has too many commercials and criminals...people are getting tired of it. Baseball will soon have a $400M contract and people will get tired of it. NBA is flash and dash, dunk or hit a 3...and people are getting tired of it. Of course those sports won't ever "go away" and they will figure out how to make money, but people are looking for something else to watch.

Just my $.02

Yes, kick ball is waaay more boring than just about any sport, regardless of the commercials. I'd rather watch CFB or the NFL with all of the mundane commercials than watch a boring 1-0 kick ball match. Yawn.
 
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