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Is it just me?

oldhorn2

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All year we have been put in a position to win by our offense and our defense has been our weakness. I had been happy with Gilberts offense. However, the last 2 weeks we have not gotten much if anything out of our vertical passing game. In fact, our offense has mostly been ...give the ball to Foreman. Seriously, it seems to me if Fred Akers was still in charge the offense would be the same....give it to Foreman and see how far he runs....Besides Burt becoming Mr skillet hands what happened to our passing game downfield? We need some more O linemen that can protect our QB.
 
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All year we have been put in a position to win by our offense and our defense has been our weakness. I had been happy with Gilberts offense. However, the last 2 weeks we have not gotten much if anything out of our vertical passing game. In fact, our offense has mostly been ...give the ball to Foreman. Seriously, it seems to me if Fred Akers was still in charge the offense would be the same....give it to Foreman and see how far he runs....Besides Burt becoming Mr skillet hands what happened to our passing game downfield? We need some more O linemen that can protect our QB.
When The Club can't catch a deep ball, who the hell else are you supposed to throw it to?
 
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It feels like Charlie doesn't want us to be a quick strike offense ever since he took over the defense.

We still have Heard and Duvernay as deep threats. We just haven't stretched the defense like we did earlier in the season.
 
Our playbook consists primarily of (1) Foreman on inside runs (although we did try a toss sweep a couple of times to no great success), (2) quick outs or hitches to WRs and (3) deep sideline throws. There is no jet sweep, no push pass, no reverse, very few slants (none on Saturday), when was the last time we threw a post?, and, God forbid, we throw the ball to Blueitt.
 
Our playbook consists primarily of (1) Foreman on inside runs (although we did try a toss sweep a couple of times to no great success), (2) quick outs or hitches to WRs and (3) deep sideline throws. There is no jet sweep, no push pass, no reverse, very few slants (none on Saturday), when was the last time we threw a post?, and, God forbid, we throw the ball to Blueitt.
I protest, no offensive diversity!
 
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I've tried to be patient, bearing in mind our true FR QB and youth on the OL, but Gilbert does -- or fails to do -- some things that drive me absolutely berserk, and many of which aren't really a function of that youth at key positions.

The offense has been a huge improvement this year over the last two (though that was a very low bar to clear) despite having a true FR QB, but the fact is that it could be so much more effective even with just a few changes that wouldn't place any undue demands on Shane or the OL. As it is, we have an unnecessarily inefficient offense that gobbles up yards but fails to convert those yards into points, and that does more to hurt our own defense with its torrid pace and frequent failures to stay on the field than it does to hurt the opponent's defense.

If this gang's all back next year, then I really hope Sterlin significantly matures as a play caller and play designer -- and I hope he's not so arrogant as to think he doesn't need to.
 
Our offense underperformed this week. We should have scored more than 20 on 500 yards offense.

This team has a knack for defying all the football cliches about statistical odds:
1. We outgain Wva by 150 yards.
2. We outrushed Wva by 100 yards.
3. We won the turnover battle 3-4
4. We had 8 minutes edge in time of possession 34-26.
5. Penalties were even, but we had fewer penalty yards.

... and still lost.
 
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one of the oldest addages in football is that bad teams always find a way to lose. We are firmly in that camp. In the last 3 years we have managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at least 8 times. Not even a talent advantage seems to help us.
 
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We are a very flawed team. That's what happens with those teams the stars need to align. When the offense defense do come up it will be special teams that cost us the game.

We aren't turning TOs into points which pretty much makes the turnover battle useless. That's probably are biggest issue on offense right now.
 
Our offense is going to take a huge step back next year. We will have a better passing game, but without Foreman our running game is going to be marginal at best.
 
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The defense has turned a corner, the offense has under preformed the last several weeks. The defense has made big progress from week 5 moving forward.


The offense is entirely too simple and they're still racking up yardage, problem is...they aren't scoring when it's a must. Too many penalty killing drives as well.
 
yeah....I disagree that the offense will take a step back. In fact, I look forward to Buschele being better....using Colin and Durveney more and the Oline being even better.
 
Our offense is going to take a huge step back next year. We will have a better passing game, but without Foreman our running game is going to be marginal at best.
Baylor has a great running game every year regardless of the back, big, quick or small.
 
Warren should be fine assuming he fully recovers. He's not Foreman but the production lost at RB can be replaced with OL/QB/WR progressing. Not a big fan of the rest of our stable at RBs though, so hopefully Warren stays healthy.
 
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It feels like one hole is plugged and a new leak occurs. Our offensive production point wise has taken a hit. It would help if special team (kick and punt return) contributed a little but it's horrible.
 
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I am writing off Warren. He didn't stay healthy last year and he didn't stay healthy this year. He is undependable at best. IMO he is also out growing the position. he needs to weigh less than 250 lbs at all times. I don't know what the rest of our backs can do because they aren't healthy. Porter isn't bad, but he isn't very good either. He is good for about 10 carries a game as a change of pace back you can't depend on him much more than that.

Our oline should be both deep and very solid. However I have realized our oline isn't that great, they look much better because Foreman makes them look great. I have no doubt our passing game is going to be great. However, that isn't enough for us to be a great offense, we need to bring in a ultra-talented running back to take over when Foreman leaves.
 
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That's fair. Outside of Foreman no one has really shown that they can produce. Warren has been great when healthy, but often injured. If our RB duties are left up to Porter, Johnson, Houston, or whoever we sign this class, I agree that could be a step back.
 
I assume next year you are going to see Hudson in the line up. That will help the O-line. Warren's health is an issue, because there is no proven depth behind him. Porter is not big enough to play in our current scheme. He could be more effective with plays that are designed for a smaller back, but that remains to be seen
 
I assume next year you are going to see Hudson in the line up. That will help the O-line. Warren's health is an issue, because there is no proven depth behind him. Porter is not big enough to play in our current scheme. He could be more effective with plays that are designed for a smaller back, but that remains to be seen

If our scheme needs a 250lb back, then it's going to go downhill pretty fast because those don't grow on trees.
 
This offense does not require 250 lb RBs, that is just Strong's preference. Linwood, Seastrunk are not big guys and neither is the Jefferson kid that sat out this year.
 
Look, runningbacks like Foreman come around about every 20 years of so. He is not the norm, he is the exception. I'll just be happy if we get one of our guys to about 1000 yards on the season next year. Earl Ricky and Foreman are all 20 years apart. Between those guys we had Metcalf, Priest, El Ced, and Charles. Very good but not game changers.

I just want someone we can depend on.
 
Look, runningbacks like Foreman come around about every 20 years of so. He is not the norm, he is the exception. I'll just be happy if we get one of our guys to about 1000 yards on the season next year. Earl Ricky and Foreman are all 20 years apart. Between those guys we had Metcalf, Priest, El Ced, and Charles. Very good but not game changers.

I just want someone we can depend on.
Ced was as consistent as my morning glory. And if you recall, his yards after contact and 3rd and 4th quarter yards were where he made his bones.
 
It's kinda funny that everyone wanted to get rid of Bedford(rightfully so) but Gilbert offense has been stagnant(shouldn't get a pass). I love the improvement on D. Gilbert is a good coach. I think the O will be fine going into next year. Just need to implement more zone reads, passes to the TE and more looks behind the LB's. Next year could be impressive with a SO QB, SR RB (possibly), JR RB and SO RB, solid WR's, deep OL with an all American OT, solid DL, solid LB's and solid DB's. The PROBLEM I see is the kicking game (need a kicker as well a bigger center because it's not working with what they have going on). Just hire a special teams coach.
 
Look, runningbacks like Foreman come around about every 20 years of so. He is not the norm, he is the exception. I'll just be happy if we get one of our guys to about 1000 yards on the season next year. Earl Ricky and Foreman are all 20 years apart. Between those guys we had Metcalf, Priest, El Ced, and Charles. Very good but not game changers.

I just want someone we can depend on.

Don't forget Hodges Mitchell. One of the most productive backs in Texas history...and always forgotten.
 
It hasn't been mentioned yet but for the first time this year Tyrone didn't play. Ive always thought they put him in there to keep Buechele off the field because SB is a true freshman and they wanted to lessen his chances of getting hurt. Maybe we should have had him in there when we were in the red zone. Or maybe he's out of the picture for good. His skills don't match the kind of offense that Gilbert wants to run.
 
Don't forget Hodges Mitchell. One of the most productive backs in Texas history...and always forgotten.

He had the unenviable task of replacing Ricky Williams. He was having a good senior year but in the bowl game he suffered an ACL and his career was over. His injury was so bad he didn't even get an NFL tryout.
 
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