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i listen to several hours of podcasts a week about CFB. A few things that were being said before the game:
There is a perception that every year Texas is going to turn the corner bc of the level of talent on the team.
One big win doesn't mean Texas is back.
Texas beat OU last year but ultimately did not have a good season.
So I was curious to see what the reaction would be after actually having seen Texas on the field.
People were genuinely impressed. Even people who did not want to be. A few things said after.
It's an exciting brand of football.
Foreman is just bashing people.
The athleticism on the defense is obvious.
9-3 is realistic.
Did not quit even though there were multiple times it would have been easy to get down.
Charlie completely confident (went for it twice on 4th with no hesitation) and looked at times like he was just punishing ND.

Bottom line for me is that because of the way the team won, it does not seem like flash in the pan success.
 
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Texas is back! People just haven't figured it out yet!!!!! And them young men will keep on coming back like the last quarter with ND cause they know what it takes now to be Champs, never quit and play with your heart! And they certainly know what it is to Lose.



Hook'em
 
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All summer I was torn about this, why is it we haven't fielded a physical offensive line since 2006? And honestly, this is what doomed Mack Brown at Texas.

Think about it for a moment. In 2007 we had a rebuilt Oline and we pretty much sucked, they go Colt killed. They got better in 2008 and 2009 but only as pass blockers, they sucked at run blocking and it seemed the only real running game we had was Colt running with the ball. Then after the championship loss, Mack wanted a physical running game also. That same year, San Antonio had two high profile 5'star running backs that Mack was recruiting, Malcolm Brown and Aaron Green. Mack made a lot of promises to Brown about having a power running game. And he tried to keep that promise, but he in was the problem. McWhorter didn't recruit linemen for a power running game, he recruited guys for that GDGD finesse passing game. Basically putting a Corvette engine in an 18 Wheeler. It was doomed to failure from the start. Mack never saw the problem because he was too busy cashing checks while on vacation.

So fast forward to now, no I was very skeptical we would have a power running game even though we looked like we had the olinemen to do it. Even right now, I'm still a bit unsure, I feel like we caught Notre Dame sleeping some. However, confidence can do wonders for an offensive line and I think they now believe they can be great. I also think they have a bit more depth, I was pleased with both Brandon Hodges and Alex Anderson, two guys I didn't think we would get any production from. As our freshmen olinemen get a little more experience I think we will get production from them when they are a little more seasoned and know the offense better.

Don't think for a moment we have an SEC oline right now, but they are getting better in both run and pass blocking, and as they progress our offense is also going to get a lot better. I think we are going to see big improvement come from our center and right tackle spots. Hopefully Perkins will get healthy and that will solidify our guard play as well.

We have 3 tough games in front of us still OSU, blOwU, and TCU. But for our oline every game is a tough game, because if they don't come to play, we don't win, and that includes Kansas.
 
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We're still young folks. Just look at how we played from about the 9 minute mark of the 3rd to the 6 minute mark of the 4th. Up 17, you've GOT to close the door. The inability to mud hole them after we went up by 3 scores is, in my opinion, based on the fact that we are young and learning still. It will come-- I just hope it come quickly.
 
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The biggest improvement always comes between game 1 and 2. In any sports season.
 
clob94 said:
We're still young folks. Just look at how we played from about the 9 minute mark of the 3rd to the 6 minute mark of the 4th. Up 17, you've GOT to close the door. The inability to mud hole them after we went up by 3 scores is, in my opinion, based on the fact that we are young and learning still. It will come-- I just hope it come quickly.
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I didn't look at it that way, I saw it more like a heavy weight fight between a young up and coming (Texas) and a savvy vet (ND). We came out didn't know what to expect and they landed that big punch, but more than anything it woke us up and we went to work and wore him down, but they then came back like any champion would do and got the upper-hand.

However, this is where our maturity showed, we also came back and not only went the distance we finally landed that punch that sealed it.

Take nothing away from Notre Dame, they are good and they are warriors, beating them was a feat.

The level of maturity we have will show in the coming weeks when we play Cal and OSU. They are capable of beating us if we are not careful. If more fearful of those two games than I am of Oklahoma, we know we have to be up to defeat them, but in truth we have about 5 trap games on our schedule. Cal, OSU, Tech, WVU, and KSU. The toughest part about being in the Big 12 is we face a bunch of teams that is hard to get up for, but they are still good enough to beat you.

Looking at the rest of our schedule, KU is just bad, ISU we have the revenge factor, BU, well I think by the end of the season they are going to be pretty beaten down. that leaves TCU who I can't tell but they are still TCU so I think we will be ready for them.
 
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Scholz said:
The biggest improvement always comes between game 1 and 2. In any sports season.
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Looking forward to our D taking the ball away, fewer penalties by our boys, and better snaps between the true freshmen, among other things. Also, Sunrise Spurs' / Bevo 15's horns growing a bit. (Less improvement expected there.)
 
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Count me as someone who didn't want to be impressed but I was. Very physical. Foreman is your RB, better and more physical than Warren. Receivers looked fast (especially Burt). OL was better than i expected. Defense was not very good, but seemed good physically. Do you guys still believe in Bedford? Talent is pretty good on D. Slow white Safety was missed (can not remember his name), I don't think he is any good but they played better with him in. Which is weird, probably a coincidence.
Don't think Texas wants any of Alabama, Ohio State, or Florida State - but other than the truly elite teams you guys would have a chance.
Sad to say, anyone not impressed is not honest and/or smart.
 
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oldhorn2 said:
WV is a better team than most think. Disregard them at your own peril.
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They keep losing kids to injury. But, they're always fairly salty. They were my sleeper pick to win the conference until the injury bug hit. Mizzou sucks, so it will be a while until we really know what WV has. They'll destroy this weeks opponent.
 
mm42 said:
Count me as someone who didn't want to be impressed but I was. Very physical. Foreman is your RB, better and more physical than Warren. Receivers looked fast (especially Burt). OL was better than i expected. Defense was not very good, but seemed good physically. Do you guys still believe in Bedford? Talent is pretty good on D. Slow white Safety was missed (can not remember his name), I don't think he is any good but they played better with him in. Which is weird, probably a coincidence.
Don't think Texas wants any of Alabama, Ohio State, or Florida State - but other than the truly elite teams you guys would have a chance.
Sad to say, anyone not impressed is not honest and/or smart.
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ND will have a top 25ish offense this year, Haines (he's going to be a great coach) the Honkey you mentioned missed wide on a safety blitz on Folston long run of 54. He was replaced by Vaccaro whom had a sack, but whiffed on a safety blitz that resulted in a Kizer rushing TD. Safety is a problem at the moment, but sooner or later BJ (TexAg video kid) takes that spot. I was satisfied with DL play against what will arguably be the best OL they face this season and I was fine with LB play. The corners had a few knucklehead moments but played fast to the ball.

It really wasn't all that bad. Got stops when they needed to and fought to the very end. It only goes up from here.

I think they showed that they can compete with everyone on their schedule and they'll be a much different team when it comes to December versus September.
 
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mm42 said:
Count me as someone who didn't want to be impressed but I was. Very physical. Foreman is your RB, better and more physical than Warren. Receivers looked fast (especially Burt). OL was better than i expected. Defense was not very good, but seemed good physically. Do you guys still believe in Bedford? Talent is pretty good on D. Slow white Safety was missed (can not remember his name), I don't think he is any good but they played better with him in. Which is weird, probably a coincidence.
Don't think Texas wants any of Alabama, Ohio State, or Florida State - but other than the truly elite teams you guys would have a chance.
Sad to say, anyone not impressed is not honest and/or smart.
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Dylan Haines gets everyone in the right spot. He got kneed in the head on NDs 2nd TD, concussion. I think he ought to take a week off and be ready for Cal.
 
TexExSpur said:
ND will have a top 25ish offense this year, Haines the Honkey you mentioned missed wide on a safety blitz on Folston long run of 54. He was replaced by Vaccaro whom had a sack, but whiffed on a safety blitz that resulted in a Kizer rushing TD. Safety is a problem at the moment, but sooner or later BJ (TexAg video kid) takes that spot. I was satisfied with DL play against what will arguably be the best OL they face this season and I was fine with LB play. The corners had a few knucklehead moments but played fast to the ball.

It really wasn't all that bad. Got stops when they needed to and fought to the very end. It only goes up from here.

I think they showed that they can compete with everyone on their schedule and they'll be a much different team when it comes to December versus September.
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I didn't realize Haines screwed up on the long run, I have never understood how he starts. Probably the real reason the D looked worse without him is the ND QB. They should have played Kizer every snap, that was probably the difference. Again, you guys looked good to me. Love the Foreman kid.
 
I'm not slamming you. When it comes to race, though, I'd encourage using respectful terms, even of one's own race. Others don't know your race, for one thing. My $0.02, anyway.
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Horn01, sorry to hijack. Back to the conversation...

Texas is back!

I sure hope so, but I've hoped Texas had turned the corner before.

The D needs to shut teams down, and force turnovers. I need to watch the game again, to see if we're tackling poorly or it was just athleticism on ND's part. The D and particularly the secondary was caught out of position several times. I'd like to see the Chris Warren of 2015. Does he have to start the game for that to happen? WAY too many dropped passes, and WAY too many overthrown ones, including the deflection that led to the INT. Better punt coverage / not outpunting the coverage by the Aussie, Michael Dickson. Shackleford played hurt, and the connection to Buechele will naturally improve.

Don't expect the refs to call it that loosely every game, either. Strong's teams need to put it out of reach of the refs, as Okie State and maybe 1 other proved last season.
 
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MY PLAYER OF THE GAME BY POSITION:
QB- Shane, did really well but have to give Swoopes some props as well.
RB- Foreman all day. How many ND players heads are still ringing.
WR- Burt did a good job but had a bad drop. Have to give Jake some props for making 2 crucial catches.
OL- Connor was a beast. I'm impress with Anderson and Brandon. OL will get better.
DL- It was hard for me to give it directly to just one kid but Hughes had a great block on the extra point and made some good tackles.
LB- Jefferson was good. I thought Wheeler did good as well. Those 2 will be scary by the end of the season
DB- I'm going with Hill. He made every tackle I seen. I think the whole group did ok but was surprised by Davis on a couple of plays or should I say, lack of play.
ST- What can you say about the punter. That guy can punt the ball.
If you look at who I looked at as my POTW. It's a very young team (which we all knew). 1 fr, 5 so and 2 jr
 
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cwillfromdatx said:
MY PLAYER OF THE GAME BY POSITION:
QB- Shane, did really well but have to give Swoopes some props as well.
RB- Foreman all day. How many ND players heads are still ringing.
WR- Burt did a good job but had a bad drop. Have to give Jake some props for making 2 crucial catches.
OL- Connor was a beast. I'm impress with Anderson and Brandon. OL will get better.
DL- It was hard for me to give it directly to just one kid but Hughes had a great block on the extra point and made some good tackles.
LB- Jefferson was good. I thought Wheeler did good as well. Those 2 will be scary by the end of the season
DB- I'm going with Hill. He made every tackle I seen. I think the whole group did ok but was surprised by Davis on a couple of plays or should I say, lack of play.
ST- What can you say about the punter. That guy can punt the ball.
If you look at who I looked at as my POTW. It's a very young team (which we all knew). 1 fr, 5 so and 2 jr
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I thought Connor was blocking #90 for ND. If so, I remember thinking he was having trouble. Maybe just a bad series.
 
mm42 said:
I thought Connor was blocking #90 for ND. If so, I remember thinking he was having trouble. Maybe just a bad series.
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He did great from what I've seen. He didn't give up a sack nor had the QB knocked down and the QB was touched only once but this is what I've seen.
 
cwillfromdatx said:
He did great from what I've seen. He didn't give up a sack nor had the QB knocked down and the QB was touched only once but this is what I've seen.
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You are probably right, I'm going off memory - which is not as good as it used to be.
 
TexExSpur said:
ND will have a top 25ish offense this year, Haines (he's going to be a great coach) the Honkey you mentioned missed wide on a safety blitz on Folston long run of 54. He was replaced by Vaccaro whom had a sack, but whiffed on a safety blitz that resulted in a Kizer rushing TD. Safety is a problem at the moment, but sooner or later BJ (TexAg video kid) takes that spot. I was satisfied with DL play against what will arguably be the best OL they face this season and I was fine with LB play. The corners had a few knucklehead moments but played fast to the ball.

It really wasn't all that bad. Got stops when they needed to and fought to the very end. It only goes up from here.

I think they showed that they can compete with everyone on their schedule and they'll be a much different team when it comes to December versus September.
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It looked to me like Haines' primary responsibility on that play was not allowing the QB to keep the ball and run wide.
 
Son of Wasatch said:
All summer I was torn about this, why is it we haven't fielded a physical offensive line since 2006? And honestly, this is what doomed Mack Brown at Texas.

Think about it for a moment. In 2007 we had a rebuilt Oline and we pretty much sucked, they go Colt killed. They got better in 2008 and 2009 but only as pass blockers, they sucked at run blocking and it seemed the only real running game we had was Colt running with the ball. Then after the championship loss, Mack wanted a physical running game also. That same year, San Antonio had two high profile 5'star running backs that Mack was recruiting, Malcolm Brown and Aaron Green. Mack made a lot of promises to Brown about having a power running game. And he tried to keep that promise, but he in was the problem. McWhorter didn't recruit linemen for a power running game, he recruited guys for that GDGD finesse passing game. Basically putting a Corvette engine in an 18 Wheeler. It was doomed to failure from the start. Mack never saw the problem because he was too busy cashing checks while on vacation.

So fast forward to now, no I was very skeptical we would have a power running game even though we looked like we had the olinemen to do it. Even right now, I'm still a bit unsure, I feel like we caught Notre Dame sleeping some. However, confidence can do wonders for an offensive line and I think they now believe they can be great. I also think they have a bit more depth, I was pleased with both Brandon Hodges and Alex Anderson, two guys I didn't think we would get any production from. As our freshmen olinemen get a little more experience I think we will get production from them when they are a little more seasoned and know the offense better.

Don't think for a moment we have an SEC oline right now, but they are getting better in both run and pass blocking, and as they progress our offense is also going to get a lot better. I think we are going to see big improvement come from our center and right tackle spots. Hopefully Perkins will get healthy and that will solidify our guard play as well.

We have 3 tough games in front of us still OSU, blOwU, and TCU. But for our oline every game is a tough game, because if they don't come to play, we don't win, and that includes Kansas.
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SEC o-line? not a big 10 o-line, or a big12 o-line, but an SEC 0-line...errrr..so kentucky, vandy, aggy, olepiss, missST, missouri, SC, arky, tenn, all have o-lines you would rather have. WTF does an SEC o-line mean?
 
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SEC o-line? not a big 10 o-line, or a big12 o-line, but an SEC 0-line...errrr..so kentucky, vandy, aggy, olepiss, missST, missouri, SC, arky, tenn, all have o-lines you would rather have. WTF does an SEC o-line mean?
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When I said SEC I was talking about a brand of physical football where they physically pound you. Much like Alabama did to Texas in 2009. Of course I'd like to point to Bama and LSU, but a better example might be the 2012 Aggsy who had probably the best oline I can remember in a very long time. They were great at run blocking and pass blocking. That is hard for a college oline to do, usually it's one or the other.
 
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When I said SEC I was talking about a brand of physical football where they physically pound you. Much like Alabama did to Texas in 2009. Of course I'd like to point to Bama and LSU, but a better example might be the 2012 Aggsy who had probably the best oline I can remember in a very long time. They were great at run blocking and pass blocking. That is hard for a college oline to do, usually it's one or the other.
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Or how about USC vs. Bama this last weekend? They seemed fairly even until the Trojans started losing players.
 
A team is never as good as they look in victory, and never as bad as they look in defeat. Last year I was saying that after we lost to Notre Dame. So now I'm saying it after beating them. Of course we can lose to anyone on our schedule on any week but I'm curious to see how good we can actually be. I don't know what the ceiling is for this team, I still think we are going to lose at least once to a team we have no business losing to. Like a Tech or a KSU. A team that will absolutely punch us in the mouth and beat us because we weren't mentally prepared to battle.
 
It was good to be Texas again especially in the OL.Darrell Royal had a term for that type of Play,We are going to play "smash mouth" football and its what Texas needs to be in every game.
 
swVAHorn said:
I agree.. Warrick looked very quick when he caught and made a cut.
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Warrick will take a punt to the house at some point. The focus will be on good smart decisions and lots of fair catches but when he has the chance, he will use his wiggle and speed to bust one.
 
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