OT: Egypt Air Crash

[clob94]

Watched the flight tracker and I'm trying to figure out what happened before the reports are released.

So at 37,000 feet, the plane banks hard left at 90 degrees. Then banks hard right shortly after. Then makes a rapid decent down to 20,000 while it's making a 360 degree spiral turn.

So we've got a couple of possibilities-- anybody in here a licensed pilot?
1st- aileron or tail rudder failure. Possibly, especially because Airbus uses a computer system that likes to "over correct" a problem automatically after it happens. This would explain a hard turn followed by the plane's computer forcing it into a complete circle turn.
2nd-- stupid pilot. Unlikely, but you can never rule out pilot error or just being a dumb terrorist. But this guy had over 6000 flight hours and over 2000 in this aircraft type. The co-pilot had over 4000 hours so I doubt they are stupid.
3rd-- somebody went derka derka jihad. A small explosion in the rear of the aircraft could cause a hard turn like this. I just flew home out of France as many of you know, and I can tell you first hand that the French don't play when it comes to security. Hell they flagged me for having a can of Copenhagen. I had to take it out and open it up and put a dip in before they let me go.
This leaves me with a logical question: Where did this flight travel to in the previous 24 hours? That bomb, if it was a bomb, could have been loaded on that plane in Egypt, Libya, saudi, anywhere.

Need to pray for those poor people.

 

[Blackcat00]

Terrible, I couldn't imagine the horror as this was going down.
Will never understand the mindset of wanting people to die for religion/political reasons if this was indeed a terrorist attack.

 

[Top Gum]

Terrible, I couldn't imagine the horror as this was going down.
Will never understand the mindset of wanting people to die for religion/political reasons if this was indeed a terrorist attack.

The plane

Watched the flight tracker and I'm trying to figure out what happened before the reports are released.

So at 37,000 feet, the plane banks hard left at 90 degrees. Then banks hard right shortly after. Then makes a rapid decent down to 20,000 while it's making a 360 degree spiral turn.

So we've got a couple of possibilities-- anybody in here a licensed pilot?
1st- aileron or tail rudder failure. Possibly, especially because Airbus uses a computer system that likes to "over correct" a problem automatically after it happens. This would explain a hard turn followed by the plane's computer forcing it into a complete circle turn.
2nd-- stupid pilot. Unlikely, but you can never rule out pilot error or just being a dumb terrorist. But this guy had over 6000 flight hours and over 2000 in this aircraft type. The co-pilot had over 4000 hours so I doubt they are stupid.
3rd-- somebody went derka derka jihad. A small explosion in the rear of the aircraft could cause a hard turn like this. I just flew home out of France as many of you know, and I can tell you first hand that the French don't play when it comes to security. Hell they flagged me for having a can of Copenhagen. I had to take it out and open it up and put a dip in before they let me go.
This leaves me with a logical question: Where did this flight travel to in the previous 24 hours? That bomb, if it was a bomb, could have been loaded on that plane in Egypt, Libya, saudi, anywhere.

Need to pray for those poor people.

The debris of the plane may have mimicked hard turns as it fell, from what I'm hearing. Or, if that's not the case, hard turns could mean there was a cockpit struggle.

 

[clob94]

I had a USAF guy tell me last night that none of the SBIRS saw any heat plumes. So if he's correct, that means no bomb went off. So deductive reasoning suggests that either it's a major mechanical malfunction or its two dudes in the cockpit fighting over the controls.

Either way, those poor folks had to ride that elevator all the way to the lobby and that just sucks a$$.

 

[Top Gum]

I had a USAF guy tell me last night that none of the SBIRS saw any heat plumes. So if he's correct, that means no bomb went off. So deductive reasoning suggests that either it's a major mechanical malfunction or its two dudes in the cockpit fighting over the controls.

Either way, those poor folks had to ride that elevator all the way to the lobby and that just sucks a$$.

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Here's one possible explanation: www.thereligionofpeace.com

 

[Scholz]

I don't know, a violent, horrific crash is probably a good way to go. It's over instantly. Same thing with an explosion.

 

[clob94]

Whoooops! Now you went and done it. You just made their hit list bro!

 

[oldhorn2]

Lots of conjecture with no facts announced yet. Going down over the Med, the black boxes might be difficult to impossible to recover. The Med is pretty damned deep.I agree with Clob that European security is top notch as far as the passenger screening is concerned. We just flew out of Barcelona last week as well. European airports seem more modern and clean than our airports and it isnt even close.

Who knows when we will get better info. To this point, what I hear is the lack of "chatter" on Islamic sites claiming responsibility has been noted. In the past they brag like hell. No Americans reported on the flight, but for some strange reason there were THREE air marshals on this plane. Very unusual, but it alludes to somebody knowing something.

 

[ekal48]

Another possibility is pilot takeover similar to the pilot that took over the Germanwings flight and flew it into the mountain.

Now that there are only two in the cockpit that becomes more of a possibility. The lack of any radio traffic makes me think along those lines.

 

[madcow12]

I am going with gravity as being the culprit...

 

[Texxxxas]

I had a USAF guy tell me last night that none of the SBIRS saw any heat plumes. So if he's correct, that means no bomb went off. So deductive reasoning suggests that either it's a major mechanical malfunction or its two dudes in the cockpit fighting over the controls.

Either way, those poor folks had to ride that elevator all the way to the lobby and that just sucks a$$.

That soldier would be sharing secret info. So if someone really told you that, you shouldn't be on a public board stating as much. Loose lips sink ships, and we don't take that lightly.

 

[clob94]

Texxxas, I understand where you're coming from. And I agree that "loose lips do in fact, sink ships", however, only an uninformed fool doesn't know about SBIRS and our sat capabilities. I could go on about stellar wind and other TSSCI programs. My friend simply informed me that there was no "heat plume". That's not classified knowledge, as it were. Now the capability of SBIRS is classified, but a quick Google search let's you know the parameters of what it's capable of. If this were a terrorist attack and he informed me of privy intel, yes, of course, he's violating his TS clearance. But it appears this wasn't, so he isn't.

 

[Bottomsuppizza]

If it's not the next one will be.

 

[Texxxxas]

Texxxas, I understand where you're coming from. And I agree that "loose lips do in fact, sink ships", however, only an uninformed fool doesn't know about SBIRS and our sat capabilities. I could go on about stellar wind and other TSSCI programs. My friend simply informed me that there was no "heat plume". That's not classified knowledge, as it were. Now the capability of SBIRS is classified, but a quick Google search let's you know the parameters of what it's capable of. If this were a terrorist attack and he informed me of privy intel, yes, of course, he's violating his TS clearance. But it appears this wasn't, so he isn't.

Being an uninformed fool and knowing about SBIRS, has nothing to do with sharing secret information. All info we get is classified, it doesn't have to be an attack. To tell you anything that we see is sharing secret info. Maybe you read a few things here and there, but judging by your post, I know you know not what you speak of. The last two lines of your post gave me a good chuckle.

 

[clob94]

As it were, you're correct. I'm not supposed to be told, and he's not supposed to share, any intel labeled any classification above "public realm". However, according to the new intel parameters established by our former sec st, there's "classified" and then there's "classified". Granted, two life long friends, even when their first child is your God daughter, are supposed to have boundaries when it comes to those chats- even in privacy over a few beers. And trust me when I say, he won't talk about his days at JSOC- but telling me "bro, I'm not too certain there was a heat plume"---- and then me filling in the rest using common knowledge and deductive reasoning, does not a violation make.

 

[Texxxxas]

As it were, you're correct. I'm not supposed to be told, and he's not supposed to share, any intel labeled any classification above "public realm". However, according to the new intel parameters established by our former sec st, there's "classified" and then there's "classified". Granted, two life long friends, even when their first child is your God daughter, are supposed to have boundaries when it comes to those chats- even in privacy over a few beers. And trust me when I say, he won't talk about his days at JSOC- but telling me "bro, I'm not too certain there was a heat plume"---- and then me filling in the rest using common knowledge and deductive reasoning, does not a violation make.

A lot of your conversation is filler talk, that has nothing to do with anything. This is something you can't tell me anything about. I said what I said, for a reason. I laughed when you said "violation," and I laughed that you think you know what would be a "violation." You have no idea what you're talking about. I doubt anyone shared info with you, based on the ignorance in your post. If anyone talks, we find out on the next polygraph. If it really happened, he/she is done. I doubt it happened, you're just not worth that, and your post is very telling. Google can't tell you everything. Your post is a tall tale, it's that simple.

 

[madcow12]

heat plumes and bombs do not go hand in hand. A bomb the size of a coke can took down the Russian plane. They are not looking to explode the plane, they are looking to make a huge hole in it at a high altitude....your USAF mole don't know shit I would be more interested in how they transport pallets of Lipo batteries over there and what regulations they have for them in cargo holds.

 

[HornsRuleU]

Banks left hard, then right hard.

That could be to see if the tail is trailing smoke, and then a course correction to get back on track.

Were it a cockpit struggle, or a mechanical failure with the rudder or other flight control surfaces, it would be odd to be able to get back on course. Assuming they did get back on course, initially, before descending.

 

[clob94]

A lot of your conversation is filler talk, that has nothing to do with anything. This is something you can't tell me anything about. I said what I said, for a reason. I laughed when you said "violation," and I laughed that you think you know what would be a "violation." You have no idea what you're talking about. I doubt anyone shared info with you, based on the ignorance in your post. If anyone talks, we find out on the next polygraph. If it really happened, he/she is done. I doubt it happened, you're just not worth that, and your post is very telling. Google can't tell you everything. Your post is a tall tale, it's that simple.

Never claimed to be an expert. Simply passed along some info from a very dear friend. I'm also not worried about who I know and having to justify it to a complete strangers. Don't take it personally but it ranks somewhere between getting a colonic and attending an Edith Piaf revival concert. Simply wanted to share some thoughts and perspectives on what could be a hugely politicized event by both parties.
And btw, he said he hasn't taken a poly since his days on purple team at Bragg.

 

[clob94]

Banks left hard, then right hard.

That could be to see if the tail is trailing smoke, and then a course correction to get back on track.

Were it a cockpit struggle, or a mechanical failure with the rudder or other flight control surfaces, it would be odd to be able to get back on course. Assuming they did get back on course, initially, before descending.

Hornsrule- wasn't it dark out? Night time I mean?

I would think it would be difficult to see smoke in the dead of night--- assuming it was still night time of course.

 

[Texxxxas]

Never claimed to be an expert. Simply passed along some info from a very dear friend. I'm also not worried about who I know and having to justify it to a complete strangers. Don't take it personally but it ranks somewhere between getting a colonic and attending an Edith Piaf revival concert. Simply wanted to share some thoughts and perspectives on what could be a hugely politicized event by both parties.
And btw, he said he hasn't taken a poly since his days on purple team at Bragg.

Just stop, and I'll let it be. This post is more full of BS, than those others...for several reasons. Ft. Bragg is a huge problem in this convo. Your credibility is shot. Somebody in the USAF, doing a poly at Ft. Bragg, that works in SBIRS, but was on purple team at Bragg. Your eyes have turned brown at this point. You're a phony.

 

[clob94]

Just stop, and I'll let it be. This post is more full of BS, than those others...for several reasons. Ft. Bragg is a huge problem in this convo. Your credibility is shot. Somebody in the USAF, doing a poly at Ft. Bragg, that works in SBIRS, but was on purple team at Bragg. Your eyes have turned brown at this point. You're a phony.

Momo,

Never said he worked on SBIRS, you're putting words in my mouth. I know exactly what he did before the SOC, while he was at the SOC, who his CO was, how many years he was there, how many tours he did in both Iraq and the stan, and how many bronze stars the guy has. You've changed the argument from two friends having a private convo about "not thinking there was a heat plume" to you obloviating about what guys with TSSCI clearance work where and do what.
Second, if you think I'm stupid enough to post enough detail on a public forum about a life long friends that could lead back to him and tarnish his career and wreck the trust we have with each other, you're a foolish carpenter.
Now back to the original conversation, seeing as how your unsuccessful attempt at high jacking it has fallen short--

My initial reaction was this must be a terror attack, only to question my thoughts when I was pointed in a different direction. Myself, as well as the world Media, is beginning to feel that this was not a terror attack, even though it still could be. 75-25 is my best guess at this point. Given the fact that none of those deushe bags have claimed responsibility for it yet, makes me lean toward an accident. They do love to brag about their work. A fire on board, which it looks like is what happened, could be a number of things. Mechanical, electrical, dumb ass smoking in the pooper-- so we can take your knowledge and rub that together with the facts we have currently and try to put our own hypothesis together for the sake of seeing how accurately our prediction becomes, OR, we can continue with the "you don't know anybody with TSSCI clearance and you're a doo doo head" talk.
You're call.

 

[Texxxxas]

Momo,

Never said he worked on SBIRS, you're putting words in my mouth. I know exactly what he did before the SOC, while he was at the SOC, who his CO was, how many years he was there, how many tours he did in both Iraq and the stan, and how many bronze stars the guy has. You've changed the argument from two friends having a private convo about "not thinking there was a heat plume" to you obloviating about what guys with TSSCI clearance work where and do what.
Second, if you think I'm stupid enough to post enough detail on a public forum about a life long friends that could lead back to him and tarnish his career and wreck the trust we have with each other, you're a foolish carpenter.
Now back to the original conversation, seeing as how your unsuccessful attempt at high jacking it has fallen short--

My initial reaction was this must be a terror attack, only to question my thoughts when I was pointed in a different direction. Myself, as well as the world Media, is beginning to feel that this was not a terror attack, even though it still could be. 75-25 is my best guess at this point. Given the fact that none of those deushe bags have claimed responsibility for it yet, makes me lean toward an accident. They do love to brag about their work. A fire on board, which it looks like is what happened, could be a number of things. Mechanical, electrical, dumb ass smoking in the pooper-- so we can take your knowledge and rub that together with the facts we have currently and try to put our own hypothesis together for the sake of seeing how accurately our prediction becomes, OR, we can continue with the "you don't know anybody with TSSCI clearance and you're a doo doo head" talk.
You're call.

You're a phony, that's a fact based on this thread. To late to back track. I changed nothing, I simply called you out. When you told me I was right, I didn't need you to tell me that, of course I was right. You then lied to cover up other lies, and it got worse. Carry on with your tall tale. You are as phony as it gets. I don't think you're stupid, I think you want to be more important than you really are.

 

[clob94]

Wasting my breath on you. I can assure you, I've got 50000 more important things to do than try and "impress" the likes of total strangers. It wasn't that long ago that someone on here tried to call me out as not a former scholarship fball player at Texas and it didn't end very well for him. Egg on his face and he no longer posts here. But think what you want bud. I can assure you I will lose zero sleep over it, and the fact that I'm 1000% certain of whom I know and keep company with just means that to me, any purported expertise you may try and share in the future will fall on these deaf ears. Carry on McRaven.

 

[Texxxxas]

Wasting my breath on you. I can assure you, I've got 50000 more important things to do than try and "impress" the likes of total strangers. It wasn't that long ago that someone on here tried to call me out as not a former scholarship fball player at Texas and it didn't end very well for him. Egg on his face and he no longer posts here. But think what you want bud. I can assure you I will lose zero sleep over it, and the fact that I'm 1000% certain of whom I know and keep company with just means that to me, any purported expertise you may try and share in the future will fall on these deaf ears. Carry on McRaven.

I'm not him, and the egg is already on your face. You're a phony. No amount of remedial drivel from you can change that. Since you mentioned it, I'm not sure you didn't borrow the story of another person and claim to be a player either. You have no credibility, simply because I know you lied in THIS thread. You're an attention whore. This time you got caught up. I know former players and it would be easy to get on here and borrow their story...I'm thinking that's what you did. You have no credibility. I dislike pretenders, especially when you involve something as serious as what you claimed to have been told. And if you keep talking about being a former player, that can be easily settled also...tread lightly Pinocchio.

 

[oldschoolcat]

This horn on horn violence is making my head hurt. Would y'all get it together please?

 

[Scholz]

This horn on horn violence is making my head hurt. Would y'all get it together please?

I laughed.

 

[madcow12]

This horn on horn violence is making my head hurt. Would y'all get it together please?

stay out of this pussycat let em fight...

 

[CoachEmUp64]

This might rank in the all time greatest on-line arguments ever, just want to get in before the lock.

 

[mm42]

Sorry, but this was hard to follow. Did we land on Clob being a fraud or Texxxxas being a jerk? Who won?

 

[UTGrad87]

This argument was more entertaining than a fat women at a dance contest. Thanks boys for the giggles.

 

[madcow12]

This argument was more entertaining than a fat women at a dance contest. Thanks boys for the giggles.

 

[clob94]

Slappy came back to get the last word in? Predictable. Can't fix stupid.

 

[UTGrad87]

That's exactly what I had pictured in my head! Great pic Madcow.

 

[Texxxxas]

Slappy came back to get the last word in? Predictable. Can't fix stupid.

Stupid is the clown that put a soldier in the USAF, that knows about SBIRS, on an Army base doing a polygraph, that was also on purple team. NOT POSSIBLE, STUPID! Your nose is still growing Pinocchio. You're a wanna be. You put your foot in your mouth several times. The first time that you came back and said that I was right, it was because you knew that you got caught up. Then you got dumb and dumber, and tried to cover up one lie, with many others. You also said that it wasn't sharing secret info, then you said my bad, you're right, but it's not a violation because it wasn't an attack. That was break neck stupid. I'm sure anyone that has common sense, can tell who the fraud is. You're not a former player either. Let me know what game you go to, I'll bring a few former players around, along with a trainer on the team, to verify if you are who you say you are. I'd love to post that video. Let's see who is bluffing. We can do it at the Notre Dame game. You have allowed your alligator mouth, to overload your hummingbird a$$.