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Strong has to win 8 next year or he's gone...

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Starting to think he's a great coordinator, bad HC and maybe had 1-2 lucky years at Louisville. Well, Louisville ain't Texas. If he does anything less than 8 wins next year, have to can the guy. Just IMO. I follow Texas and have for years given family down there, and it's been real rough to watch lately. Given it's a very young team last year and this year, he should get one more year and if he doesn't get to 8 next year, time to hire a Saban level guy.

TCU will lose Boykin, so Texas can replace TCU in the top 4 of the Big 12 next year if they capitalize. Heard has to develop in the offseason. The Big 12 needs a strong Texas as a flagship to the country. OU carrying the weight right now as TCU/Baylor/OState/KState, etc. just don't have the brand. Over time TCU and Baylor will get the respect they deserve if they continue but K-State and O-State never get that same respect. Look at where O-State was before losing and where they are now. Need Texas and OU in top 20 every year.
 
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I don't think so....The more I think about it, he will get four years if they are "Competitive" in every game with 6-7 wins and a bowl win. This could suffice as long as everything is getting better throughout the year. The noise is simply noise.
 
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I don't think 6 wins gets him a 4th year, but I do agree that it's more about competitiveness than an actual win total.
6 plus 1 is 7. I included a bowl win. The final tally would be 7 or 8 at a minimum. If he wins 6 games next year, they'll need the bowl victory and yes, I believe it will be enough as long as they are competitive.
 
a 2016 top 20 recruiting class
and at least 6 season wins
and at least one win out of ND, Baylor, TCU or OU
improvement on offense and at qb
competitive every game with no blow outs

Hook 'em
 
If we look at Charlie in Louisville without knowing much about it other than wins and losses, then we basically know very little. Charlie was learning how to be a head coach, how to assemble a staff, how to deal with all of it. But he was doing this with an All American QB that delivered leadership and make the whole deal work for Louisville. Charlie was one very fortunate guy. Think Vince with a head coach who rode him to a national championship.

Whether or not Charlie can be a successful head coach without that All American QB remains to be seen. So far, the returns are not all that good.
 
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Good QB play rules college football, and before you start throwing out Alabama as some kind of magic blueprint look at their QB efficiency. McElroy, McCarron, and Sims weren't stars but they were incredibly efficient passers. This years Bama squad would make for quite the exception though. Coker has been a subpar passer even by Bama standards.
 
Assuming a Baylor loss, Strong would've have to go 9-4 in 2016 just to get back to a cumulative 0.500 at 19-19. Last 3 seasons we've started 1-2 against tough OOC, and it's been an uphill battle into conference play. Strong needs to go 2-1 in OOC to get some momentum going. Anything less and every week will be a job security countdown rerun.

2016 OOC:
Notre Dame at home - Unless ND is in complete rebuilding like 2007, I assume another classic Strong 42-10 blowout type loss.
UTEP at home - probably an ugly home win
@ Cal - the swing game. big difference between 2-1 and 1-2.
 
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I don't think so....The more I think about it, he will get four years if they are "Competitive" in every game with 6-7 wins and a bowl win. This could suffice as long as everything is getting better throughout the year. The noise is simply noise.

I think competitiveness will play a role, but I think that next year's schedule will also play a role. I always try my hardest to not overreact... to tap the breaks and asses the entire situation... to try to be calm and rational about my opinions and decisions. I think my posts on the board generally back that up. That said, next year is going to be a tricky one for that among Longhorn fans (including myself). This year has been disappointing no matter how you look at it. Yes, I'm one of those that think that Strong came in under rather terrible circumstances and that, in a perfect situation, he'd get more time to fix everything. But recruiting can be fickle, and UT fans, boosters, and alumni know we should be winning in football. Both of those things are things that can get worse if either they fire coaches too fast, or if they let them hang on too long. From day one, I was in favor of the Coach Strong hire, but I also said that year three (and if year three showed signs of great potential, year four) would be the point when we find out if it's going to work or not, and whether we needed to move on or not.

So, it's win or move on time next season. And the schedule makes that tricky. It's definitely not the kind of schedule that Baylor or Tech (for two examples) have had at points in recent history, where they get a chance to compile a bunch of wins and show off, garnering some attention and notoriety (even if it's coupled with schedule criticism) before they actually play challenging games. We won't hear anyone saying "they're 5-0 going into the first game against an opponent with a pulse" or anything like that. We won't have early games as warm ups. The early games are going to be tough. And away from Austin. And knowing how negativity can snowball, it will take quite a bit of work for them to make it to the second half of the season without fans, boosters, and alumni already done with the season.

We start with a home game against Notre Dame, which should probably fill the stands pretty well regardless, because it's game 1 and because it's Notre Dame. It would help if there was some buzz coming out of summer practices. We saw the reaction from the 2015 version of the game, so we know, everyone will be looking for competitiveness at least. This game will be a big deal in setting the tone for the rest of the season, win or lose.

Next we host UTEP. This game won't be a big deal for our fans no matter what. Unless UT just looks bad in it. This is the game that we don't want to look competitive. If it does (or God forbid, if we lose), then that might be the season And Coach Strong's career.

After that, the team is away from Austin for a whiiiiiiiile, with 2 road games, TX/OU in Dallas, and a bye week. And that's really the toughest thing about the schedule, if you're trying to look at it from a perception perspective. There's a very good chance that, by the time the team gets back to DKR, the fans will have made up their minds whether they care about the second half of the season. Even if the team begins to improve around mid-season, and comes up with solutions that could potentially have them win most of the second half games, there's a decent chance that the stands (and how empty or full they are) will reflect whatever happened in the first five games.

A game at Cal should probably be a little more manageable without Jared Goff, but it's still a power 5 opponent on the road. Granted, it's one that we should have/could have/would have beaten this year, but all the same, it's a pretty important game next year, particularly with what's coming up next.

Then we have a game at Oklahoma State. Yeah, another game that we should have/could have/would have won this year, but didn't. And not an easy game. I don't know what all the Cowboys lose next year. Should we still think of them as being one of the top 4 teams in the Big 12?

And finally, there's the game vs. Oklahoma in Dallas. It's the game that helped soothe the fanbase this year, but it's tough to imagine that OU won't be putting every bit of work in to win this one, starting the second this season ends.

So, that's 4 really big games, one "lite" game, and a bye week. And by then, I'd imagine that we'll have a pretty good idea whether the stands will be full or empty when Iowa State comes to town. And even wins against the Cyclones and at Kansas State the next week, wouldn't likely fix things for the team and the fans if they start the season 1-4 or 2-3 but the team isn't competitive in the 3 losses. 2-3 and competitive in the losses is the worst scenario where I could see fans even caring about the rest of the season, and honestly 3-2 or better seems like it might be what it would actually take.

It's not like there won't be plenty of chances after those first 5 games. ISU and KSU should be winnable games, as should KU and probably TTU. And Baylor and TCU both have to come to Austin, so if improvement was made and we win one or both of those, that'd be a big deal. It just seems like, between fan support and team moral, that everyone's mind may already be made up about the Charlie Strong era before kickoff against Iowa State on October 15th.

So, I'm not sure I'd put a win total on the season. There's a very good chance that the team will have to show improvement (and 2 to 3 wins at least) in the first 5 games to even consider what the full season win total might need to be.
 
The dumbest shock jock on the planet and the dumbass flunked out of Texas. Thanks for sharing.
I highly doubt he predicted that. He may have said it was a possibility, but I'm betting he went with 2-2, right before the season kicked off. If you have his last prediction, and I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat crow.
 
Is there a real difference between possibility and prediction? He said on his 104.9 radio show about a week or two ago he thought 1-4 was very likely. Is that a possibility or prediction? Personally I think 2-3 is more accurate. I have Cal as a win.
 
I have no confidence we show up next year with improved QB play so 1-4 or 2-3 seems likely.
 
Man McNeil had a better 2 year run than Strong at ECU and just got fired. If UT starts off 1-4 Strong will not last the season
 
Losing to you guys might have been Stoops' best coaching job ever.

It apparently won't affect our playoff chances, and it gave Charlie one more year at Texas.

And I'll admit I thought Strong would turn Texas around. I believe I was wrong in that prediction.
 
If UT starts off 1-4 Strong will not last the season

I'd tend to agree, and given who we play and where the games are, that's a possibility. It's not that the rest of the season shouldn't count, but this year early on there were things that lowered the tension every time the heat was on. Notre Dame was followed by a shakeup at OC, a win, and two verrrrry close and hard-fought home losses. The blowout at TCU was followed by beating OU.

Next year, Notre Dame is a home game to start off, and UTEP is the "meh" game unless we almost lose it or lose it, but those next 3 games away from home... if they all go badly, that amount of time plus a bye week is too long a period to hold on if things feel really negative around the program. And for any fans or the AD or whoever who still held out hope, even blowout wins against ISU and KSU wouldn't bring everyone back to the table (or the fans back to the stands).

2-3 with strong, competitive showings in the three losses might save the judgment for later in the season. 3-2 would almost certainly do that, given who we play in the first 5 games (though I still think that a blowout loss in any of those would be tough to write off at this point).

I'm not anywhere close to being ready to make a prediction for next year, but I agree, 1-4 seems like it would end things before the season is even halfway through. And the schedule lines up where that's not entirely out of the question at this point.
 
OSU has at least 19 starters back next year; twenty if the terrific DE Oga whats his name does not leave early. Should definitely be in the top 4 next year. OU next with 16 although TCU played so many freshmen with the injuries might have more guys that started a game or two but lose 10 on offense and 2 on D. Baylor loses at least 10 starters; Coleman may leave early. But Baylor seems to be the team that replaces starters the fastest.
 
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