We could have a strange NYS bowl schedule this year

[outhereincali]

Well coming into conference championship weekend the pc has what they want. If there are no upsets this weekend then we will have Bama, tOSU, Clemson, and Washington in the playoffs. But this is an interesting group. The Big XII was out of playoff contention before October even came. But the Big X's rep will not be the conference champ. I'm a little bit old school I think if Penn State beats WI they should be in the playoffs because they beat tOSU in the regular season. But in today's world of college fb head to head match ups can be irrelevant. I am also convinced that because of the SEC/Big X domination on the pc that if WA and Clemson win they will slide the buckeyes down to 4th so the pc can put up a SEC/Big X match up in the first round to insure that one of their teams will be in the title game on Jan 9th.

But let me tell you the surprising part. The mighty SEC might only have one team in an NYS bowl. Everybody except Bama has lost 3 games. In fact if Bama beats FL, and theyr'e a 22 point favorite, everybody in the SEC will have lost four games. You know it's possible that a P5 conference can only have one team in an NYS bowl, it happened to the Pac XII last year. I would dearly love to see that happen to the SEC I don't see how even the Sugar Bowl will take them. Last year they had a 3 loss MS team and the ratings and attendance were a disaster.

If WA wins than the Rose Bowl will have a 3 loss CO/SC team play the PSU/WI winner both teams have lost twice and btw that could be the best game of the weekend.

If Clemson wins and they should then the ACC will send a 3 loss team either FSU, or LV to an NYS bowl.

MI is certain to get an at large berth in one of the NYS games and they deserve that.

Either Western Michigan or Navy will get the non P5 nod. Personally, I'm pulling for the Mid Shipmen

And with a Bama win than who knows the Big XII may just get two teams in the NYS bowls. Either the Bedlam loser or WV.

Bama dominated the SEC so much they won their games by an average of 22 points. Hey the aggies insist that there is dignity in getting beat down in fb by Bama every year. Whatever.

And if there is an upset this weekend there's no telling what will happen.

 

[UT1997]

Bama could lose and still be #1 overall. I heard aTm is hanging a banner in Kyle Field for a #4 playoff spot, next to the 2010 Big12 title.

I don't see why Michigan (especially with a loss to unranked Iowa) is the top 2-loss team on the waiting list. Shouldn't it be PennSt or Wisconsin? And if Colorado wins, why can't they jump into the top4? They would be 11-2 with close losses to Mich and USC. I would think an 11-2 gets and edge over a 10-2 team.

As far as the Big12, shouldn't OklahomaSt be 10-1 heading into bedlam? And they'd probably be #5 right now instead, and first on the waiting list.

 

[DC3.0ppg]

i mean, clearly it's all guesswork, but michigan will get jumped by the winner of the big 10 title game. michigan's only hope, i would assume, is total chaos. which is not out of the question... remember 2001? washington would have to lose in a stinker so that colorado couldn't jump michigan. penn state would have to win in a fluky way that leaves everybody feeling meh. and virginia tech would have to beat clemson, which i think is highly plausible. the big12 bias is real, so no worry about oklahoma or oklahoma state.

 

[thedawg27]

SEC, strongest conference my ass

 

[ryan_sublett]

This is why I think we will eventually go to 8 teams.

I don't think there is much argument that Bama, Ohio state, Michigan and Clemson are the best football teams in the country. I don't think there is a lot of debate about that. Yet we have these conference title games where Clemson has to win, Bama has to play but doesn't have to win. Ohio state doesn't even have to play. And one possibly two conferences get left out all together.

I think they are eventually going to go 8 teams 5 conference champs and 3 Wild cards.

 

[dj701919]

If you ask me, Okie State is getting absolutely screwed by the CFP committee. They should be getting teated as a 1 loss team.

 

[ryan_sublett]

If you ask me, Okie State is getting absolutely screwed by the CFP committee. They should be getting teated as a 1 loss team.

Yeah. The big 12 is rooting for OU this weekend. They don't want OSU missing the playoff because of that game

 

[thedawg27]

The big 12 deserves to miss the playoffs. If you put OU up against any of those top 4 teams, they get crushed, like they did last year. A conference can't play as bad of defense as the big 12 did and still make the playoff

 

[ekal48]

It's funny because Wisconsin is being treated like they don't exist. This committee puts to much emphasis on pedigree.

I hope they beat Penn State by 50 so the committee will have to take a look.

 

[dj701919]

It's funny because Wisconsin is being treated like they don't exist. This committee puts to much emphasis on pedigree.

I hope they beat Penn State by 50 so the committee will have to take a look.

What I find hilarious is how the criteria is forever shifting to favor the inclusion of premiere programs over more deserving teams.

 

[ryan_sublett]

It's funny because Wisconsin is being treated like they don't exist. This committee puts to much emphasis on pedigree.

I hope they beat Penn State by 50 so the committee will have to take a look.

Wisconsin should be out right now. If you asked me to put in 8 teams they'd be in, but they lost to both Ohio state and Michigan. They don't really have a key win. Their best win is probably LSU. In a 4 team playoff I wouldn't put them in.

 

[outhereincali]

Wisconsin should be out right now. If you asked me to put in 8 teams they'd be in, but they lost to both Ohio state and Michigan. They don't really have a key win. Their best win is probably LSU. In a 4 team playoff I wouldn't put them in.

This is what you need to know about Wisconsin. One of the two most influential members on the pc is former WI head coach and current WI ad Barry Alvarez. If WI wins on Saturday do not put it past him if he and his puppets put them in the playoffs.

 

[Tape_Face]

If you ask me, Okie State is getting absolutely screwed by the CFP committee. They should be getting teated as a 1 loss team.

That ridiculous. Games get decided every year by horrible officiating. This one is no different. It was a 6-6 Central Michigan (not Western Michigan) team in Stillwater! Take care of business against an average mid major team! Game shouldn't have been close.

 

[Tape_Face]

This is what you need to know about Wisconsin. One of the two most influential members on the pc is former WI head coach and current WI ad Barry Alvarez. If WI wins on Saturday do not put it past him if he and his puppets put them in the playoffs.

IMO, there is no way that a 2 loss Michigan should be ahead of the Big 10 Champion (who will be 11-2 and the champion of the unquestionably best conference this year). I think the Big 10 Champion should be ahead of Washington. Big 10 deserves 2 teams, Michigan is a very good team but they should not be one of them.

 

[ryan_sublett]

IMO, there is no way that a 2 loss Michigan should be ahead of the Big 10 Champion (who will be 11-2 and the champion of the unquestionably best conference this year). I think the Big 10 Champion should be ahead of Washington. Big 10 deserves 2 teams, Michigan is a very good team but they should not be one of them.

Michigan beat penn State though badly and they beat Wisconsin to. I don't think it's that simple.

 

[ryan_sublett]

That ridiculous. Games get decided every year by horrible officiating. This one is no different. It was a 6-6 Central Michigan (not Western Michigan) team in Stillwater! Take care of business against an average mid major team! Game shouldn't have been close.

See I think because in college football one loss often ends your season I think conferences, NCAA, Etc has to be able to reverse outcomes that are clearly the result of blown calls. We're not talking about a missed holding, or PI. We're talking about allowing a play to take place that shouldn't of happened. Kind like the famous 5th down game

 

[Tape_Face]

See I think because in college football one loss often ends your season I think conferences, NCAA, Etc has to be able to reverse outcomes that are clearly the result of blown calls. We're not talking about a missed holding, or PI. We're talking about allowing a play to take place that shouldn't of happened. Kind like the famous 5th down game

You don't want to cross that threshold. This exact same thing happened at a high school playoff game a couple of weeks ago and the losing team took it to court. I think that is shameful.

If I'm the coach and this situation happens I'm out in the middle of the field stopping play until the refs get their head out. I was watching the game in 1992 between Mizzou and CU. When they began to line up I was screaming that it was 5th down. I was shocked that nobody from Mizzou appeared to know what was going on. I would have been standing over the ball preventing the snap. Yes, I would probably get a 15 yard penalty and maybe a suspension but I would win the game!

 

[ryan_sublett]

The difference is that in the high school game you reference there was a State activity assosation rule that basically said they were not allowed to overturn the ruling. There is no such rule that I'm aware of in the conferences. If we can over turn game winning TDs that aren't or give game winning TDs that are I have no clue why we can't say "that play shouldn't of been allowed to happen you lose"

I also disagree that you would of won the game by ranting and raving. Those refs clearly didn't know the rule nothing anyone did was going to change it. They probably would of just walked off the field.

 

[UT1997]

There are blown calls, missed calls, and judgement calls every game.

But in OSU's case, the game was clearly over. It wasn't blown call in the 1st half or with 5 minutes left on the clock. The game should've been over, but went into stoppage time. In the Auburn-LSU game this year, LSU scored the winning TD when running a play after time ran out, but they reviewed it gave Auburn the win correctly. The OSU game should've been corrected similarly.

 

[outhereincali]

Well with Western Michigan and Washington winning the NYS bowl picture is starting to take shape. WM will be the non P5 team this year. The Cotton Bowl will have at large teams this year so I look for a WM/Big XII matchup

As I said in another thread I expect SC to jump CO in the RB against I hope Penn State I don't like Barry Alvarez the WI ad thank goodness he's off the pc after this year.

I just don't see any upsets this weekend except possibly the OK/OSU game. Actually I don't know why I think OSU has a chance.

And if you didn't know this yet you know it now. I saw where the Orange Bowl will likely have a Big X/ACC match up so I look for a Michigan/Louisville game. Great, a game between two coaches I don't like.

We'll find out about the others tomorrow.

 

[outhereincali]

Man so far we haven't even had one competitive game. You know, this has been a year of watered down competition.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Yeah. Some of the traditional powers being a bit down USC, Texas, ND, LSU, etc has really watered down college football. The good news is a few of the programs I mention are on the way back up it looks like. Plus others like Washington appear like they will be good for a long time. The PAC 12 will be really interesting if phill knight is able to talk chip Kelly to coming back or land another solid coach.

 

[outhereincali]

Yeah. Some of the traditional powers being a bit down USC, Texas, ND, LSU, etc has really watered down college football. The good news is a few of the programs I mention are on the way back up it looks like. Plus others like Washington appear like they will be good for a long time. The PAC 12 will be really interesting if phill knight is able to talk chip Kelly to coming back or land another solid coach.

I rank the Pac XII third among the P5 conferences. Now even though Bama is number one and has been all year I don't rate the SEC number one this year they've won all their conference games by an average of 22 points and they won today by 38. And did I mention that all the other teams in the SEC lost 4 games. Mister that's 13 teams right there.

No, the Big X was the best conference this year. The way the NYS bowls are set up one conference is going to get 3 teams in there and this year that will be the Big X. Now I don't know if there is a limit for how many teams a conference can have in NYS bowl game but if there is no limit than depending on how tonight's PS/WI game shakes out the Big X could have 4. We'll see

I have the ACC second this year. Man did you ever think you would call ACC fb among the best in the country for even one year, well beleive it. They've got some quality coaches, and I think Mark Richt can get the U going again, and David Cutcliffe at Duke is your classic gets more of less coach. And as long as Dabo and Jimbo don't go, Clemson, and FSU are here to stay. I despise Petrino personally but he's a good coach.

The SEC? Alabama and the 13 chumps

The Big XII all OK is the best of mediocre bunch. Were all lousy they're just not as bad as the rest of us.

The best thing about this year after what Bama did to FL I don't see how the SEC can get a second team in an NYS bowl game. The SEC has historical ties with the Sugar Bowl but there is no way they'll take an SEC team this year even though the SB is set up to do so this year. Dont' be surprised to see the PS/WI loser or maybe LV or FSU instead.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Yeah. I don't think anyone can stay with Bama though honestly. Maybe Ohio state, maybe Michigan. I wouldn't bet on that though. Saban is basically running a AAA franchise for the NFL if you look at the draft the last 5 years. It wouldn't be good for Bama but if Saban gave the NFL another go it would probably be good for the sport.

 

[outhereincali]

Yeah. I don't think anyone can stay with Bama though honestly. Maybe Ohio state, maybe Michigan. I wouldn't bet on that though. Saban is basically running a AAA franchise for the NFL if you look at the draft the last 5 years. It wouldn't be good for Bama but if Saban gave the NFL another go it would probably be good for the sport.

Everytime in college athletics somebody has a machine, a monster like Bama fb is now, rules are getting broken. Now do I know of anything? No but I know that the media in the SEC states doesn't want to do any investigating reporting, they want to ride the gravy train. And I'm sure you've noticed the media in Texas is different.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Everytime in college athletics somebody has a machine, a monster like Bama fb is now, rules are getting broken. Now do I know of anything? No but I know that the media in the SEC states doesn't want to do any investigating reporting, they want to ride the gravy train. And I'm sure you've noticed the media in Texas is different.

Yeah. I don't know that anything is going on. You are right though history tells us a team this far ahead of everyone is probably bending some rules