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2016 Season Running Thread

Bad news:
Connor Williams has a toe injury and will miss up to a week. Nickelson will also miss some time.

Goodnews:
We will finally get to see more reps from Buck Major and Garret Thomas and find out if they are worth a damn.

I believe the bad news far out weighs the good news tho. Hope that toe heals up fast. Those can be nagging injuries to come back from.
 
If an end of the rope Mack Brown can coach a Case McCoy quarterbacked team to 8 wins, there aren't any excuses for Strong anymore. Not that I give him a complete pass for the last two years, but I recognize that you have to tear down some before you can rebuild.

If that team had played ND instead of Rice and the present TCU instead of the everybody suspended 4-8 TCU it would have been 6-6.
 
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If that ream had played ND instead of Rice and the present TCU instead of the everybody suspended 4-8 TCU it would have been 6-6.

So Mack's team would have gone 6-6 and Strong's went 5-7? Like I say excuses are over, imo. Production starts in 2016 or else some other coach is going to reap the benefits of Strong's recruiting.
 
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So Mack's team would have gone 6-6 and Strong's went 5-7? Like I say excuses are over, imo. Production starts in 2016 or else some other coach is going to reap the benefits of Strong's recruiting.
Last time Mack's talent management left that kind of talent void Mack went 5-7 against an easier schedule see 2010.
 
Uh-oh. You guys better be careful heading into Mack talk. Things could get....




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Reports are that with the break-neck offense tempo in practice, the defense is getting most of their coaching in the post-practice film room instead of on the field. Bedford and crew are breaking down the multi-angle video of each of the day's plays with the defensive players.


I don't like to hear that at all. Hopefully it's a temporary arrangement. Strong and Bedford need to follow Patterson's methods for adapting his defensive coaching to the need for the offense's practice reps.
 
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For now it's a good thing, we need to run as many plays as possible on offense to get it right. It will put us that much further ahead when two-a-days start. Spring ball for defense is about looking for players and leaders.
 
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Reports are that with the break-neck offense tempo in practice, the defense is getting most of their coaching in the post-practice film room instead of on the field. Bedford and crew are breaking down the multi-angle video of each of the day's plays with the defensive players.

so is that good or bad?
If Charlie's okay with it, who am I to argue?

My guess is that with only 15 practices (including the Orange/White "Game") allowed by rule, now's the time to get both sides of the ball learning the new GO. There are only 4 newbies on campus now and 3¼ of them are on the offense – Boyd is working at LB, but there is talk that he could move to HB/FB/TE.

When the remaining newbies arrive to Fall Camp, we may see somewhat more of a traditional practice time allotment. Or it could happen the last week of spring practice. I dunno.
 
For now it's a good thing, we need to run as many plays as possible on offense to get it right. It will put us that much further ahead when two-a-days start. Spring ball for defense is about looking for players and leaders.

That's what I'm telling myself. I'm okay with it in the early phases of installing an entirely new offense. Everything is new to all the offensive players right now, both young and old. But I want to be hearing about a lot more on-field defensive coaching when we get to fall camp. There's no adequate substitute for it.
 
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so is that good or bad?
During the install of the new Offense I can understand a little bit....but at some point the Defense HAS to be coached just as hard and just as good as the Offense. Defense is important and should not be overlooked.
 
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so is that good or bad?
Pick between these:
  1. Bedford and crew make quick adjustments & instruction on-field, but without ever slowing down Gilbert's O. Those getting reps adjust to the pace. Bedford and Gilbert add significant teaching from film.
  2. Bedford slows down Gilbert's O to instruct players between plays. The offense gets similar instruction between plays. That way, they're not just waiting around. Conditioning and reps both suffer.
Unless you want Gilbert to run a TINO offense, then you've gotta pick #1.

TINO = Tempo in name only, like what Shawn Watson briefly tried

Any lack of instruction between plays is more than made up for by the experience of practice reps. You make quick decisions, see the results, and go again ... and again ... and ...

We teachers tend to think talking is the answer. It often isn't.
 
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seriously....I agree that it is a good thing.It should add game type realism to the defense in that it would be just like a game. The coaches dont come out on the field then....only after the whole defense comes off . If one guy is just not in position, he can be pulled off, just like in a game, and corrected. The conditioning aspect cant be over looked either.In the fall, the scout team will try its best to mimic the opponents offense anyway.
 
If you want to run a TEMPO offense you are either ALL IN or ALL OUT there is no in between, walk and talk, slow down the offense, stopping team drills to correct mistakes. If you want both then you don't run a TEMPO offense.

Like I've said before this formula works. It just puts a lot more importance on learning and making corrections in the film room pre and post practice. Watch film pre practice lets guys knows what they need to work on that day. Watch film post practice lets them know what the messed up on and need to fix.
 
I read one guys report....claimed he had been to ALL practices....said Swoopes has looked mostly pretty good and if he played this way next season we would be ok. Then he went on to say the thought consensus was still thay Swoopes would fold under pressure.

He said Heard "has looked awful, and I mean awful"...but he was starting to show signs of life until the last practice where he regressed.

Bueschele(screw it, I will never be able to spell that)..generally looked good after he caught up to the speed of the game....The feeling is that everyone wants him to redshirt to get bulked up. However, at some point this guy anyway expects him to be the starter.

there you have it.....second hand info that might even be garbled in the translation but since I am so hungry for any kind of information (looking at you Clob) I will read and write anything.
 
Appreciate the report, OldHorn2, even if it is second or really 3rd hand.

One more comment, regarding conditioning. During scrimmages, no one ought to be standing idly by.
 
Gary Patterson's solution was to have first and second string D practice part of the time at standard pace, where the could correct as they went, against the 3rd and 4th string offense.
 
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Its the spring, Its not a huge problem. Right now the biggest thing we need is reps. Lots of young guys on both sides plus a completely new install on offense. We aren't playing anyone else this spring so get the reps. In Season 1s and 2s on Offense go against the 3s and Scout team on D who are running the other teams D and flip it for our defense. In those situations the defensive coaches can slow things down because the scout team is running the other team's offense.
 
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- It was a full-pads practice on Thursday, the fifth of the spring. It marked the session's third-of-the-way point.

- As OB originally reported was likely, LT Connor Williams and OT Tristan Nickelson remained out with minor setbacks Thursday - Williams (toe), Nickelson (ankle).

- Both players should be back very soon per one good source. Williams is working on the side with trainers and doing pass-protection drills, so he's having to move his feet and plant and use force. I don't think they'll push him back too quickly for Saturday practice/scrimmage, but folks are making it seem like he should be able to pick back up with participation next week.

- Haven't gotten a firm update on Nickelson's exact injury, but we were told it was an ankle that got rolled up on Tuesday. Regardless, one person said Nickelson was doing work in the pit Thursday that involved doing lunges, etc. so it's clear the injury is not a break or anything serious.

(Speaking of the pit, someone said that on Thursday, injured players had to do lunges (if able) across the whole field holding a cinder block on their backs. S&C coach Pat Moorer keeps coming up with ways to make his training room a less and less appealing place to be.)

- Ronnie Major handled most of the starting left tackle duties on Thursday, not Garrett Thomas. One source says Major "has the body" to be a player but still "needs major work." Regardless, it seems that the pecking order at LT for the coming season goes Williams, Nickelson, Major.

- Some good news and some not-great news on the defensive injury front: LB Edwin Freeman reportedly returned to practice on Thursday but veteran DT and key cog Paul Boyette Jr. is apparently banged up and in the pit. The good news is we were told this injury, too, was minor. The source even said Boyette was hitting the sled today and doing sprints, so it's not terrible news, but it's concerning. The most important part of spring ball from a personnel standpoint is keeping the interior DL healthy and Boyette is already showing signs of possibly having an issue to monitor.

- The defensive line, as a whole, is getting worked pretty hard. Poona Ford had to leave one practice this week with cramps. One source said, "(they) all looked good during drills and in much of the (team period of drills) but in the last portion were totally gassed."

- I asked one person which defensive lineman has stood out the most through spring camp and he said "definitely (Charles) Omenihu."

- One name that keeps popping up: RB/WR Roderick Bernard - he's one to keep an eye out for. The source said the only player he saw at practice with a similar "burst" was CB Kris Boyd on kickoff returns.

- The same source said Kris Boyd is still getting little-to-no work with the ones at corner in practice. Boyd's little brother, Demarco, was noted by one person at practice Thursday as beginning to work his way into some reps with the twos.

- PJ Locke has lined up as the starter at nickel all through camp and should probably be thought of as the top option at the position. Not bad for a player who was only taken as a backup-plan when Jamile Johnson de-committed to follow his high school coach to Texas Tech at the last minute.

- Per a person at practice on the QBs: "Swoopes wasn't great, but his arm is so much stronger, and he's way more accurate on short throws. Buechele got the ball out quickly and accurately and had more velocity than Heard. Locksley threw during the opening QB drills, but I never saw him after that."

- The DBs apparently dominated against the WRs in both Tuesday and Thursday practice, "not many open receivers," a source said. At least one big play occurred, though, when Sheroid Evans had Armanti Foreman well covered on a go route but didn't turn around to locate the ball and allowed a long completion. (Dunlap)

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Spring practice began three weeks ago, and there has not been any movement on the quarterback depth chart – and that is a problem.

Tyrone Swoopes entered spring practice as the number one quarterback. Jerrod Heard is currently his backup. Shane Buechele is the third-string quarterback. Kai Locksley and Matthew Merrick are on the depth chart, but remain on the outside looking in. There are basically three quarterbacks battling for playing time right now.

Realistically, there are only two quarterbacks competing during the spring.

This spring is all about Swoopes and Heard. Buechele is in the mix, but the people I have spoken to say his lack of college experience is an issue. Everybody loves his arm, and they believe Buechle has a lot of potential. Right now, nobody is mentally ready for a true freshman to start in the season opener against Notre Dame. That does not mean Buechele may not receive playing time at some point this year. It just seems unlikely Buechele will receive the first snap in week one.

That leaves Swoopes and Heard battling for the number spot. This situation has also led to the frustrations from many within the building.

Everybody is waiting for one of these quarterbacks to step up and just take the job. They are tired of a competition battle. This is only the second week of practice, but that has been long enough for Swoopes or Heard to gain some momentum, according to people inside the building. As a result, each quarterback was challenged by the staff to step up during practice earlier this week.

When it comes to Swoopes, the sentiment is he has the most experience, and there is no reason why he is not head and shoulders above everybody else. Swoopes is a senior who has appeared in 30 games, with 14 stars. A quarterback with his playing experience should be blowing away the competition. Actually, there should not be a competition. This should be Swoopes’ team.

Instead, Swoopes is ahead because of his ability to grasp the playbook and his consistency during practice. He is winning the race, but by default. Nobody in the building wants Swoopes to win the job by default for a second consecutive year. Instead, they want him to be the undisputed champion. He just has not kicked down the doors, and those facts were communicated to Swoopes this week.

Meanwhile, Heard was a starter last season, but fell behind during the offseason. He is not a guy who should be behind a quarterback who was benched after one game last season and regulated to running the football. This should be his team, but Heard has not taken control of the competition. Heard should be able to beat Swoopes in a one-on-one competition.

Yet, Heard must show offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Sterlin Gilbert he is a better option than Swoopes. He has to become more consistent as a passer. Heard’s decision-making ability must improve, too. The quarterback is being given an opportunity to win this job, and they want him to make a run at Swoopes.

Sure, it is easy to say both quarterbacks are just being pumped up to add more life to this competition. If each quarterback pushes his competitor, it should make Gilbert’s room better. However, this week’s frustrations from those close to the situation are understandable, and the challenge issued to both quarterbacks makes sense.

Obviously, this is Swoopes’ job to lose. If Heard does not close the gap, it will be Swoopes’ job.

The challenge has been issued.

Now it’s up to Swoopes or Heard to take the job (Richardson)
 
I am hoping not to see a wash, rinse, repeat at QB again this year.
Yep. I'm of the mind that if Swoopes and Heard can't make the quick reads and are having problems with the tempo and can't run this offense efficiently, then freaking scrap it already. Put the freshman in there and let him learn on the job. All things remaining equal, play the younger guy.
 
From Burton:

- Both Caleb Bluiett and Connor Williams returned to practice on Saturday. Williams had been out with a lower leg injury while Bluiett had what amounted to the flu for the week.

-- The play of Davante Davis continues to be one that the coaches are talking about behind the scenes (in a very positive way).

-- You can all but pencil in Zach Shackelford as the starter at center. There was some thought the coaching staff might try Pat Vahe at center in the second part of camp, but that's now unlikely unless it's just random work to create more depth/versatility.

-- I am told do not underestimate the plans the staff has for Bluiett this season.
 
Per TFB:
Saturday “Scrimmage”: Most thought Saturday was going to be the first scrimmage of the spring for Texas, but I was told it was just practice with a few more scrimmage periods (team good on good) than usual. I was also told that this upcoming Saturday will be the first real scrimmage of the spring.

Saturday Standout: I was told one guy who has put together a very solid start to the spring after getting banged up on day one is JR WR Armanti Foreman. I think it’s pretty well known that he wasn’t pleased with the sophomore season he put together and has come out looking like his junior season could be a much improved one.

I think all Texas fans would love to see a WR Trio of John Burt, Amanti Foreman, and Collin Johnson all clicking this season.

Two other WR’s I was told had a good day on Saturday were JR Dorian Leonard and SO DeAndre McNeal. Neither one is a real speed threat but they are both bigger bodied WRs who could really benefit from some improved QB play in 2016.

Generally speaking, the passing repetition/attempts in team scrimmage type situations is higher and helping the wide receivers and the offense as a whole. One source said, “last year it seemed like they ran the ball on every team repetition and when they did attempt a pass it just didn’t look good…either the protection broke down immediately or the ball was poorly thrown. It’s not there yet but this year is much more promising.” – (Andrew)

Offensive Line Injuries: As we reported on Thursday, starting LT Connor Williams was out with a foot injury and backup LT Tristan Nickelson was out with an ankle injury. We mentioned both injuries were minor and that they were expected to be back within the next week. Well, both were back earlier than originally thought and were at practice on Saturday.

Nickelson was limited during some parts of practice but neither players injury will hold them back going forward. – (Andrew)
 
I think two important things I've seen about the QB battle is that last year Swoopes won by default, and that the staff is scared to put in someone without experience (Buchele).

This is exactly what this staff has done since they have been here. They treated Ash as the starter when they had to have known he was fragile and that another concussion would likely be the end of his career. Then the next year they treated Swoopes as the starter when they knew his ceiling and that he does not play well under pressure. They keep taking the "safe" road when they know, or should know, how that story ends. Then they scramble for a replacement who has taken nothing but back up reps during the offseason.

Would they do it a 3rd year? Will the put Swoopes in as the starter in game 1 knowing if things bounce the wrong way in the first quarter he is going to crumble? Will they then pull the chute and ask a back up to start the rest of the season?
 
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Yep. I'm of the mind that if Swoopes and Heard can't make the quick reads and are having problems with the tempo and can't run this offense efficiently, then freaking scrap it already. Put the freshman in there and let him learn on the job. All things remaining equal, play the younger guy.

I agree. Although I don't think things are truly equal. I believe that Swoopes or Heard are probably further along on the learning curve, as they should be, it's just a matter if you want to put them out there after you have seen how terrible they can be. If Buechele is going to make a jump to starter, it's likely going to be after some losses from the other two. I don't see him making a jump in the offseason.
 
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I think two important things I've seen about the QB battle is that last year Swoopes won by default, and that the staff is scared to put in someone without experience (Buchele).

This is exactly what this staff has done since they have been here. They treated Ash as the starter when they had to have known he was fragile and that another concussion would likely be the end of his career. Then the next year they treated Swoopes as the starter when they knew his ceiling and that he does not play well under pressure. They keep taking the "safe" road when they know, or should know, how that story ends. Then they scramble for a replacement who has taken nothing but back up reps during the offseason.

Would they do it a 3rd year? Will the put Swoopes in as the starter in game 1 knowing if things bounce the wrong way in the first quarter he is going to crumble? Will they then pull the chute and ask a back up to start the rest of the season?

I think Swoopes is going to be the starter. If Strong fails here I think the answer of what happened will be pretty obvious. Strong is doing a lot of great things in recruiting, but I have to say that he hasn't managed the QB position well at all. Even if you want to give him a pass for relying on Ash, he's had two seasons to see what Swoopes is capable of and has failed to bring in anyone better. I don't know if it would have mattered since the aggy eventually offered, but I don't see how you flirt with offering a JUCO guy like Jake H. Given our QB situation he seemed like a no brainer. The other QBs that Strong has brought in aren't even getting reps.
 
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Guess we can look forward to another so-so season if they don't find a QB. And then a Buechele/Ehlinger battle next offseason.

At least we are locking in some talented youth getting reps at all other positions.
 
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