3-4 Defense

[neilcar]

I am not a fan of the 3-4 defense within the Big12 Conference Play.

You must have fast left and right Linebackers who can make (alone) open field tackles ... in order to make the 3-4 work

… Something hard for any College player much less to have 2 on one College Team. I would say the High powered high scoring Big12 offensive play would make the 3-4 very difficult …

Texas is presently tied at 67th in the Nation in Scoring Defense … Only way that will work in the long term is for the O to score more points???

… need to go back to the 4-3 …

 

[Metcalf #2]

Same defense held the most explosive Big 12 offenses with elite QBs to their worst games of the season last year. Yeah we're missing a piece or two, but they're coming. Overshown at LB next year, for example.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Same defense held the most explosive Big 12 offenses with elite QBs to their worst games of the season last year. Yeah we're missing a piece or two, but they're coming. Overshown at LB next year, for example.

I will send a note to Herman and express ya'll's opinion..Stat!( damn backyard coaches)



Hook'em

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I am not a fan of the 3-4 defense within the Big12 Conference Play.

You must have fast left and right Linebackers who can make (alone) open field tackles ... in order to make the 3-4 work

… Something hard for any College player much less to have 2 on one College Team. I would say the High powered high scoring Big12 offensive play would make the 3-4 very difficult …

Texas is presently tied at 67th in the Nation in Scoring Defense … Only way that will work in the long term is for the O to score more points???

… need to go back to the 4-3 …

I hate not getting any pressure on opposing QBs as well but they are getting the ball out lightening quick now. Take another defender out of coverage and we risk more wide open burns than we're already having. Catch 22.

 

[Metcalf #2]

I will send a note to Herman and express ya'll's opinion..Stat!( damn backyard coaches)



Hook'em

Reading comprehension much? I was defending the defense, idiot. Smh.

 

[mm42]

Defense is all about Jimmy' & Joe's, not X's & O's. If you can consistently get pressure with only 4 guys, cover, and tackle - the alignment doesn't matter very much. Only rushing 3 with zero pressure is a problem, but most teams bring a 4th guy even out of a 3 man front.

To me, scheme is much more important on offense.

 

[DHHorn]

Defense is all about Jimmy' & Joe's, not X's & O's. If you can consistently get pressure with only 4 guys, cover, and tackle - the alignment doesn't matter very much. Only rushing 3 with zero pressure is a problem, but most teams bring a 4th guy even out of a 3 man front.

To me, scheme is much more important on offense.

Yep, you have to have athletes to lock down receivers in this conference. Scheme is important for stopping the run though. You can't stop the run very effectively when you'r running dime coverage.

 

[speedstrength]

You need to be able to put 4 guys on the LOS, doesn't matter if its DE, DT, NT, DE or OLB, DT, NT, DE. In either defense you must have a NT that commands double teams on every play and edge guys who can contain and get a pass rush. If you go to the 3/4 you need an OLB that can pass rush, set the edge and cover RBs and TEs. Those guys are out there and if you can find them you can do more things on D than you can with a traditional 4 man front.

 

[CoachEmUp64]

We dont base out of a 3-4 we base out of nickel (4-2-5) but it's basically a 3-3 defense (because our 4th lineman is a backer that we use to rush to passer or cover the flats) bc Orlando likes to have 3 lbs out there. We also run alot of dime. Orlando calls it "lightening dime" which is essentially 3-2-6 with hybrid safety/lb's.

Here's the deal on our defense.... Herman is a huge believer in playing your best 11 players on both sides of the ball. So why don't we go 4 down lineman? Bc our 4th defensive line guy must we way down the list from our backup lb's and db's. Thats why the run the defense they do, that and also it's built to stop spread teams. Our players just dont execute for sh*t..... I don't think it's time to throw in the towel and change our defensive philosophy just yet

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Reading comprehension much? I was defending the defense, idiot. Smh.

I done told ya about that damn word Metcalf! Now I see why ya so stupid, you can't do what your told idiot ! Just keep on Fing with me!

Hook'em

 

[Metcalf #2]

I done told ya about that damn word Metcalf! Now I see why ya so stupid, you can't do what your told idiot ! Just keep on Fing with me!

Hook'em

Ok cool. Hook'em.

 

[weevilcatch]

I am not a fan of the 3-4 defense within the Big12 Conference Play.

You must have fast left and right Linebackers who can make (alone) open field tackles ... in order to make the 3-4 work

… Something hard for any College player much less to have 2 on one College Team. I would say the High powered high scoring Big12 offensive play would make the 3-4 very difficult …

Texas is presently tied at 67th in the Nation in Scoring Defense … Only way that will work in the long term is for the O to score more points???

… need to go back to the 4-3 …

So your plan to deal with 10 personnel is to take off a DB and add a DL?

 

[Cotton #12]

I doubt this will change but todays spread offense designed to use the entire field and quick snaps do not give the defense time to adjust so it has created high scoring Offenses and lousy defenses and you should make the offense slow down so the defense teams can adjust to formations,I know some may like the way it is now but I go back When Texas had the number 1 defense in the country and I have not seen that in a awhile . ]

 

[cwillfromdatx]

The 3 down linemen has been a concern to me since last year. I've seen it work and I seen it fail. It depends on a few things. Teams that spread is hard to defend because of less pressure on the qb. Teams like OU and USC would be easier because they focus more on running. Iowa state should be a easy team because they are not a normal pass first offense but you never because our DB's have spotty. I think having Boyd, Davis and Cook as our corners and Jones, Locke and Foster as our safety.
In order for us to be effective, we need to stop over loading one side as we do alot and stop showing our blitz early. I still feel we are doing a C job on D but our offense has step up with a solid B+. Humphreys is by far our MVP thus far but Sam has played good as well.

 

[Cotton #12]

The 3 down linemen has been a concern to me since last year. I've seen it work and I seen it fail. It depends on a few things. Teams that spread is hard to defend because of less pressure on the qb. Teams like OU and USC would be easier because they focus more on running. Iowa state should be a easy team because they are not a normal pass first offense but you never because our DB's have spotty. I think having Boyd, Davis and Cook as our corners and Jones, Locke and Foster as our safety.
In order for us to be effective, we need to stop over loading one side as we do alot and stop showing our blitz early. I still feel we are doing a C job on D but our offense has step up with a solid B+. Humphreys is by far our MVP thus far but Sam has played good as well.

Don't leave out Collin because he has been great in some games.

 

[q1w2e3]

This same defense was phenomenal last season against better offenses and QBs.

 

[weevilcatch]

This same defense was phenomenal last season against better offenses and QBs.

Like I said in another thread...if we're not bringing 6 man pressures every snap, while at the same time bracketing all 4 wideouts AND leaving a spy on the QB fans are going to bitch.

I think we should have a BEAR front and play in the DIME every snap...that'll get it done!

 

[neilcar]

This same defense was phenomenal last season against better offenses and QBs.

Last year the D on points allowed was 32nd in the Nation.

This year the D on points allowed is 62nd in the Nation...

I would politely suggest that it is getting worse …

 

[q1w2e3]

Last year the D on points allowed was 32nd in the Nation.

This year the D on points allowed is 62nd in the Nation...

I would politely suggest that it is getting worse …

We know that. The original topic was about the 3-4 defense with many not liking it suggesting it won’t work. With the right personnel (see last season) it can be phenomenal in the Big 12.

 

[weevilcatch]

Last year the D on points allowed was 32nd in the Nation.

This year the D on points allowed is 62nd in the Nation...

I would politely suggest that it is getting worse …

Last year our best DL was Poona, this year...Omenihu? And we start Hager...and Nelson has been hurt

Last year our best LB was Malik, this year Gary Johnson. He's been pretty good.

Last year our best DB was Hill and Elliot, this year it is Boyd and two freshmen.

It's not the scheme buddy.

 

[Metcalf #2]

I'd say the biggest factor was Poona Ford. As somebody pointed out earlier, this defense requires somebody at DT that can wreak havoc and command double teams. That was Poona, we haven't had that this year, but fear not, Coburn is coming.

 

[neilcar]

Last year our best DL was Poona, this year...Omenihu? And we start Hager...and Nelson has been hurt

Last year our best LB was Malik, this year Gary Johnson. He's been pretty good.

Last year our best DB was Hill and Elliot, this year it is Boyd and two freshmen.

It's not the scheme buddy.

if you don't have the proper players for the 3-4 (which is a must for the 3-4 to work) … then it is the scheme … you are suggesting to NOT adapt to what your players can do … but to stick to a scheme that is failing to put any pressure on the opposing QB and is giving up points ... I would suggest otherwise …

 

[weevilcatch]

if you don't have the proper players for the 3-4 (which is a must for the 3-4 to work) … then it is the scheme … you are suggesting to NOT adapt to what your players can do … but to stick to a scheme that is failing to put any pressure on the opposing QB and is giving up points ... I would suggest otherwise …

So change the defense all together. Have 3 different schemes in 3 years?

Seems like a hell of an idea

And sigh...

Your answer to stopping the spread is to take off a DB and add a DL, when we're not deep at DL to begin with.

 

[neilcar]

So change the defense all together. Have 3 different schemes in 3 years?

Seems like a hell of an idea

And sigh...

Your answer to stopping the spread is to take off a DB and add a DL, when we're not deep at DL to begin with.

I am not sure you and I are watching the same team.

I am watching 3 Longhorn Defensive Line players going against 5 Offensive line players and getting no where --- while all those valuable Pass Defenders are 117th in the Nation in Pass Defense … The opposing team's QB has all day to pick our secondary apart.

I would suggest that there are only 129 FBS teams and having 1 less pass defender will not make our 117th in the Nation Pass Defense any worse off...

I am reminded of Charlie Strong (actually a great coach) who couldn't coach in a Hurry Up No Huddle - high powered pass-happy Big12 Conference … he just could NOT adapt … that is our D right now...

 

[Lone Clone]

I hate not getting any pressure on opposing QBs as well but they are getting the ball out lightening quick now. Take another defender out of coverage and we risk more wide open burns than we're already having. Catch 22.

ISU was, I think, the first conference team to go all in for the 3-man front, did it last year. It has worked well. Sacked Grier 7 times this year.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

ISU was, I think, the first conference team to go all in for the 3-man front, did it last year. It has worked well. Sacked Grier 7 times this year.

To be fair, there's a lot of teams doing things better than us. Baby step by baby step we'll get things ironed out eventually.

 

[weevilcatch]

I am not sure you and I are watching the same team.

I am watching 3 Longhorn Defensive Line players going against 5 Offensive line players and getting no where --- while all those valuable Pass Defenders are 117th in the Nation in Pass Defense … The opposing team's QB has all day to pick our secondary apart.

I would suggest that there are only 129 FBS teams and having 1 less pass defender will not make our 117th in the Nation Pass Defense any worse off...

I am reminded of Charlie Strong (actually a great coach) who couldn't coach in a Hurry Up No Huddle - high powered pass-happy Big12 Conference … he just could NOT adapt … that is our D right now...

Again, your definition to adapt to the bad secondary numbers is to add another DL, of which we have no depth and take away a secondary player. How does this make sense to you?

The three guys we have that start on the DL cannot get to the QB themselves and are apparently better than the other DL. That isn't going to help us get to the QB man, lol. A 4 man pressure is a 4 man pressure regardless if you start with 3 DL or 4DL. We do this...A LOT.

I don't want to dig, but I would imagine we are much better in pass defense while rushing 3/4 than 5/6.

Also, I think you're going to get your wish this weekend. I think you'll see a lot more players closer to the LOS.

 

[Lone Clone]

To be fair, there's a lot of teams doing things better than us. Baby step by baby step we'll get things ironed out eventually.

I'd say being in the running for the league title with two weeks left in the season isn't too shabby.

Don't understand how you lost to the Terrapins. Living in Big Ten territory (Eastern Iowa), ISU fans get that thrown in our face regularly.

 

[Hornsfan722]

I'd say being in the running for the league title with two weeks left in the season isn't too shabby.

Don't understand how you lost to the Terrapins. Living in Big Ten territory (Eastern Iowa), ISU fans get that thrown in our face regularly.

It was a bad day for sure. Maybe the first game jitters for Sam. But since that game we have lost our other 2 games by a combined 4 points. Not to make excuses but our defense has been injury plagued all year and to be fair they haven’t really had a game where they were solid from start to finish. Lack of pressure on the quarterback is what is our biggest problem I would say. Should be a fun game tomorrow though!

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I'd say being in the running for the league title with two weeks left in the season isn't too shabby.

Don't understand how you lost to the Terrapins. Living in Big Ten territory (Eastern Iowa), ISU fans get that thrown in our face regularly.

To sum it all up......shit happens. They came to play and we weren't ready, simple as that really.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I'd say being in the running for the league title with two weeks left in the season isn't too shabby.

Don't understand how you lost to the Terrapins. Living in Big Ten territory (Eastern Iowa), ISU fans get that thrown in our face regularly.

Funny thing about that.... we would beat Iowa pretty handily. This team is hard to figure out sometimes.

 

[neilcar]

Well that was fun to watch

 

[wadster]

ISU was, I think, the first conference team to go all in for the 3-man front, did it last year. It has worked well. Sacked Grier 7 times this year.

ISU can run side to side. They are fast with their LBs which is what this scheme requires.

 

[Longyac]

Well that was fun to watch

Having Roach back makes this a much improved 3 man front and a better defense overall.

 

[cwillfromdatx]

I've stated this before BUT it depends on who we play. ISU was an ideal team to play because they focus more on the run. So we can blitz a lot more. Passing teams are a different story. We have to protect our back sides. So less blitzing. We will work KU as well because they like to run