6 Arrested ND football players.
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There is an invisible line between South Bend & the campus. You know when you cross it. South Bend is not crazy bad, but it's not very nice either. Basically, the areas are between SB & Chicago are not good if you get lost. And if you end of in Gary, good luck.
I still don't see the reason for a gun. But SB is not very nice. The campus is its own little world of nice.
I still don't see the reason for a gun. But SB is not very nice. The campus is its own little world of nice.
Wait- Gary, Indiana is bad?
I went to see that play as a kid and was under the impression that Gary, Indiana was like the nicest place on the planet.
Lol.
Gary is one of the most dangerous areas in the country.
According to national crime statistics:
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Gary-Indiana.html
"For Gary, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon."
What we know
Butler (injured) was charge with assaulting a police officer. he has been indefinitely suspended. I believe if he is charged with a felony he will be dismissed otherwise he will most likely miss the season even after he is healed.
The 5 others: Max Redfield SS has been kicked off the team. He would have started against Texas. I believe he fessed up to owning the gun but not 100% sure.
the other 4 will be heard through internal notre dame investigation, my
guess is the rest will receive at least a 2 game suspension . That said, if its a second offense for any of the 4 it will be longer for that individual.
the others
Butler (injured) was charge with assaulting a police officer. he has been indefinitely suspended. I believe if he is charged with a felony he will be dismissed otherwise he will most likely miss the season even after he is healed.
The 5 others: Max Redfield SS has been kicked off the team. He would have started against Texas. I believe he fessed up to owning the gun but not 100% sure.
the other 4 will be heard through internal notre dame investigation, my
guess is the rest will receive at least a 2 game suspension . That said, if its a second offense for any of the 4 it will be longer for that individual.
the others
Come on Farly....I saw your picture with your buddies.....I doubt you need a gun for a Hells Angels death match
Don't worry about Oldhorn stalking you, I'll vouch for him, he's ok. Now, if you were Estelle Getty, you may have cause for concern
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Bro, even if you served just two days in the 24th, you know the safety measures the SOC and dod take to keep you guys protected. You ain't got sh!t to worry about unless you decide to spring break in Jbad or Fallujah.
It doesn't matter if ND is at 95% or 85%. In the 2017 off-season, when the memories of some are fuzzy, the OU trolls will claim your Irish were at 65% strength.
I'm basing that on the ridiculous OU troll contention that 24-17 was a close game.
Butler was officially charged with felonies, so he will be expelled soon.
The police could have downgraded it, but like I said before the police/courts are not big fans of the athletes. So they are going to hammer him.
So that will be two dismissals, & still awaiting the decision on the other four.
The police could have downgraded it, but like I said before the police/courts are not big fans of the athletes. So they are going to hammer him.
So that will be two dismissals, & still awaiting the decision on the other four.
He should have committed his crime in Norman, OK. But maybe Bob will give him an opportunity to do so.
I don't know man. The last time I was in Indy we went to this place called the Slippery Noodle. Used to be an old Midwestern mob hang out back in the day. There were like 5 fights in that joint the night I was there.
lol. The Noodle. I used to go there once a week for lunch specials when my office was on the circle. Oldest tavern in Indy. A jazz bar at night.
Now across the street & north a little is the bars to avoid where people pull guns & crap always happens. They have full out police security now.
Head over to Mass Ave where the more mature, better off, crowd hangs. No violence, but more expensive. (Better looking too)
I read the police report. Crazy story.
Girl fight broke out. One girl kicked Butler's friend in the head. When Butler grabbed her the police told him they would handle it, he got mad & pushed one down & they scuffled. Then they tased him. He apologized immediately & said he was intoxicated & emotional over the girl fight.
Police didn't care. Two felonies. Boom.
Kelly announced today that the four players that did not have the gun or drugs will be available to play unless the University decides to suspend them. It seems the four will not be charged at all since the gun & drugs were Redfield's.
Other note is Colin McGovern won the starting Guard position over Hoge which was a bit of an upset.
Other note is Colin McGovern won the starting Guard position over Hoge which was a bit of an upset.
The four underclassmen who were arrested over the weekend will be available to play against Texas, Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly said Wednesday, although their status could change if the University decides to hand down further discipline.
Those players—running back Dexter Williams, linebacker Tevon Coney, wide receiver Kevin Stepherson and cornerback Ashton White—are participating in practice.
Senior cornerback Devin Butler, however, is not. Butler was suspended indefinitely on Sunday. He pleaded not guilty to two felony charges Wednesday afternoon in a court appearance.
An even swifter decision was made in the case of senior free safety Max Redfield, whom Kelly dismissed from the team Sunday. Redfield was with the four underclassmen Friday night in Fulton County (Ind.) when they were arrested following a traffic stop. All five were charged with misdemeanor possession of marijuana, while Redfield, Williams and Stepherson face an additional misdemeanor charge of possession of a handgun without a license.
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My guess their will be a plea deal to a non felony. Been there before with friends son. the DA will want a conviction for the politics of it but they do not want a trial costly and not worth it
Some Domers are calling it a "courageous decision" for Kelly to let the school decide whether to discipline.
Some Domers are calling it a "courageous decision" for Kelly to let the school decide whether to discipline.
Kelly already disciplined the two with charges. (One dismissal & one season suspension).
The other four were cleared by police.
Kelly can't expell them, only the school can.
How many schools would expell them?
Kelly has handled it very proactively, most Texas fans on here agree.
What's the problem?
Starting Free Safety.
5 Star out of high school, Senior, leading returning tackler.
Gone.
NDAFarly, Unintended spin from you, since you love to waste your gold on football helmets?
1. It's not about being expelled. It's about being dismissed from the team. It's about whether they play. Brian Kelly is saying, "For 4 out of 5, I'm not going to make that decision, on whether they should play."
2. It's probably that the police were unable or just unwilling to make the charges stick, than that they were, "cleared by police."
Kelly dismissed Max Redfield (FS, Senior), who had the same 2 misdemeanors (unlicensed gun + marijuana) as did Kevin Stepherson (WR, Fr) and Dexter Williams (RB, Soph). So 3 guys did that, unless the cops are somehow confused, yet only Redfield leaves the team? Are there complicating factors?
All but Redfield are back practicing with the team!
I know how Strong would handle those 3, and probably the other 2 who just had the weed. I'm not saying Strong's approach is superior, but Kelly seems a little on the permissive side, just going by these 5.
The suspension of Devin Butler (CB, Sen.) is a separate issue. He's accused of 2 felonies: resisting law enforcement and battery against a public safety official. Kelly's hands were tied.
1. It's not about being expelled. It's about being dismissed from the team. It's about whether they play. Brian Kelly is saying, "For 4 out of 5, I'm not going to make that decision, on whether they should play."
2. It's probably that the police were unable or just unwilling to make the charges stick, than that they were, "cleared by police."
Kelly dismissed Max Redfield (FS, Senior), who had the same 2 misdemeanors (unlicensed gun + marijuana) as did Kevin Stepherson (WR, Fr) and Dexter Williams (RB, Soph). So 3 guys did that, unless the cops are somehow confused, yet only Redfield leaves the team? Are there complicating factors?
All but Redfield are back practicing with the team!
I know how Strong would handle those 3, and probably the other 2 who just had the weed. I'm not saying Strong's approach is superior, but Kelly seems a little on the permissive side, just going by these 5.
The suspension of Devin Butler (CB, Sen.) is a separate issue. He's accused of 2 felonies: resisting law enforcement and battery against a public safety official. Kelly's hands were tied.
Redfield confessed the gun & drugs were his. You must have missed the current events.
You understand the police charge everyone in the car until the DA figures out who it belongs to, right?
And now Max confessed the others have been cleared of charges (which always happens when you charge four people for one gun). They charged all three in the backseat because the gun was under the seat. They charged all five for drugs because it was in the middle console.
None of the other four failed a sobriety test. And only one person (Max, his car) has now been charged with possession.
Max has told coaches he didn't tell the other players he had a gun under the seat.
And Kelly is stating that he is allowing them to play, but he doesn't have the final say, the ND Community Standards Board does. That is how it works at ND. They still might suspend/expell them.
He didn't wait for the board to expell Max, he did it on his own after speaking with him & getting the real story, which now seems to be what the police see also.
And the Butler case has made very strange turns. Multiple eye witnesses are now saying Butler was the victim. So his case is ongoing, but still suspended for season.
And Kelly dismissed AA's, NFL draft picks, & the returning starting QB from the title game. He is not afraid to dismiss anybody.
And Strong has stated his handling of players is what he learned as a coach at ND working with ND's Community Standards Board (Ethics Committee). They don't play around, at all.
You are just catching snippets here & there, but it is being handled at great lengths by Kelly & ND.
No problem. Trust me, we are not happy about it. The only player of the four who will play is Williams (3rd string RB). But nobody at ND is happy with them at all.
And I wouldn't be surprised if the ethics board still does something.
Redfield has one semester left to graduate, so the discussion is whether to allow him to stay in school (but not play football) since he will only have a misdemeanor? The board will decide that.
Butler is a whole different animal. I don't even have a clue with that one. He is not playing this season, but depending on the truth will decide if he is expelled or not.
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