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Bedford...

I wanted to choke Bedford unconscious for most of the second half, but looking at everything with cooler blood, I don't think his strategy was indefensible. It may have even been the right way to go. I understand his and Charlie's apprehension about giving up a quick big play when at one time the back seven was made up of . . . seven freshmen (six of them true freshmen).

nobis60 at BC has a pretty balanced take on Bedford's approach:
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Full marks to Art Briles and the Bears coaching staff for flipping the script and playing a pure numbers game in the second half. Baylor came out with backup running back Johnny Jefferson lined up as a Wildcat QB with a fullback and two receivers split wide - way wide - to either side. Strong and Bedford responded with Texas' standard 3-3- stack look, opting for the security of a deep safety and matching each detached receiver with a DB over outnumbering the box against a non-quarterback. They made a decision that's more or less been writ large all season, opting for one-play score denial uber alles and counting on someone - anyone - in the box to make a plus play or two and short-circuit the opponent's ground game.

What followed were three of the most frustrating defensive drives in recent memory. They resulted in 17 points, 35 plays, roughly 200 rushing yards and approximately 500,000 bloody knuckles, angry Tweets and FIRE EVERYONE NOW imprecations from the Longhorn faithful who weren't hunting, parasailing, antiquing or playing Star Wars Battlefront today.

Were Strong and Bedford mindless for not rolling the dice and outnumbering the run on the snaps when there was no legitimate passing threat in the backfield? Were they vindicated when holding Baylor out of the end zone on three of their five second-half drives proved sufficient to secure a victory? Were they simply battling with brutal injury circumstances when 49 second-half Baylor snaps were met with roughly five positively-graded DL plays and three acts of recognizable linebacking?

I guess...I'll have some of each?

When a staff is justifying 70+% of its right to keep coaching this team on the back of its defensive acumen, you want to see SOME kind of creative late shift/disguise/slant and scrape/SOMETHING to derail an alignment that had less than a 50% chance of completing a throw of any kind outside the numbers. At the same time, it's tough to hand Baylor a potentially effortless 30+ yard play or full-blown score by leaving them a two-on-one advantage on the outside or rolling with a zero look and allowing a single missed tackle or missed fit (and we didn't lack for THOSE) to go the distance. At the same same time, players gotta play - and when you're all but out of players, that becomes a tall order.

There's no excuse for the continued failure of guys with two, three or four years in a Texas uniform to execute basic contain responsibility on the edge against the clear and present threat of a QB read. But there's also no force on Earth that's going to have a Cole/Hager/Wheeler linebacking corps consistently hitting their fits and making sound plays against a quickly-conjured but highly effective ground game.


Ultimately, the Longhorns played it conservative and survived.

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Needs to roll out with Wickline and Watson. He is not a good DC. 10 yard cushions and 3 down lineman when Baylor is taking direct snaps. No adjustments. Damn.
This is something we had did early in the season and we failed. I couldn't believe to see the 3 down linemen going against a direct snap RB. Everybody and their mamas knew what was about to happen. My 10 yr old son even knew what was going to happen. I understand playing some against a passing threat but BU didn't have no threat especially since their starting 3rd string went down. That's when to dial in and blitz the hell out of them and do not take your foot off their necks. I like Bedford but he have done a lot of bad play calling. He should be getting his walking papers along with Watson. I love the victory and i love seeing them standing up and fighting but i couldn't understand why the REF didn't throw a flag on BU for the same thing. The team left the sidelines and went all the way over to UT sidelines, that's a flag. Some of BU players taking their helmets off during the fight should have ignited a flag as well. The dumb play by Hill and as someone mention, Burt falling on the ground instead of catching and going. The future is very bright ladies and gentleman.
 
He isn't very funny to me when we are losing.

swVA, just to be fair to cali, some of the horrible defenses in the 80s/90s didn't have the explosive offenses we currently have. It wouldn't be accurate just to look at yardage. I didn't see the improvement I had hoped to see by year's end. I am frustrated and don't know how to factor in the injuries and youth into the equation. I am just going to enjoy today's victory (as ugly as it freaking was) and have high expectations next year-I think it will all come together.
All that you have written here is true....But and I hate this saying "it is what it is".....by the numbers THIS is the worst defense in Texas history. Yes injuries and youth and depth are not great and those are excuses....doesn't change that this guy was telling me I don't know what I am talking about when I say this is the worst defense Texas has ever had. It is.

I am enjoying the win big time.....I will never root against my Horns.....ever. They played hard today. But the calls that got us to 17-0 seemed to stop like "we got this won" and it nearly bit us in the butt. I hope you are right about next year and it all comes together. Since Iowa st, I jumped off the Strong wagon but I would love to jump back on and eat some crow to go....I like him as a person but man I have doubts if he is a Championship coach......look at our 3rd quarters since he has been here?!....just wow
 
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I guarantee Briles would have tried to throw one over the top as soon as we would have brought the safety in and corners up. Maybe we would have stopped them maybe not, but I know Briles was hating not being able throw. Great game plan by Bedford!
Why not let their WR/RB see if he can throw a perfect deep ball to their...WR? You have a non QB taking direct snaps he has to have time to throw the deep ball....so bring the heat and see if he can make the play?....You take any criticism like it is a direct insult to you. I am sure Bedford had his reasons for what he did but this is a sports message board so we talk sports and "whys" and "whats" and "whos" Did you look up the stats for our defense? Noticed you told me I didn't know anything about this team the last 25 years.....I gave you the WHOLE history of the team.....w o r s t defense in Texas history.
 
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People are complaining that Bedford did not react to the non passing threat.....didnt walk down the safety(I think many dont even know what that means)...let em out number us in the box....yada yada..OK...forget the freshmen playing. Forget that so many key defensive players were out...We let em run down our throat knowing it was coming....please just stop!...Yall are disregarding the single most important fact here. We had a sizeable lead and we had the CLOCK!...They had to fight the clock!...All we had to do was pervent the big play!...
 
I'm going to have to watch the game again, but the biggest complaint I remember having was to much 3 man line in the 2nd half.

Maybe we didn't have enough linemen, but at the same time Lb's were hurt and freshmen db's. All I know is that 3 man line has been run all year long.
 
I'm going to have to watch the game again, but the biggest complaint I remember having was to much 3 man line in the 2nd half.

Maybe we didn't have enough linemen, but at the same time Lb's were hurt and freshmen db's. All I know is that 3 man line has been run all year long.
This.
 
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Why not let their WR/RB see if he can throw a perfect deep ball to their...WR? You have a non QB taking direct snaps he has to have time to throw the deep ball....so bring the heat and see if he can make the play?....You take any criticism like it is a direct insult to you. I am sure Bedford had his reasons for what he did but this is a sports message board so we talk sports and "whys" and "whats" and "whos" Did you look up the stats for our defense? Noticed you told me I didn't know anything about this team the last 25 years.....I gave you the WHOLE history of the team.....w o r s t defense in Texas history.

It wasn't me talking about the stats and I'm not taking it personally. No worries because everyone gets their opinion, but mine is that Bedford called this game correctly. Who cares what the stats are if the outcome was a win. Some seem like they would rather have good stats than play situational defense. It's been clear all year that Bedford did not fully trust the secondary to be left alone. Couple that with never knowing if the offense would score and it is very risky to leave yourself open for quick points. Our offense is not built to trade off scores with anyone. I bet if our offense was better he might have ran some more aggressive schemes. What's over is over, I think the defense will improve by next year and if not then we'll probably see an entire new staff anyway.
 
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It wasn't me talking about the stats and I'm not taking it personally. No worries because everyone gets their opinion, but mine is that Bedford called this game correctly. Who cares what the stats are if the outcome was a win. Some seem like they would rather have good stats than play situational defense. It's been clear all year that Bedford did not fully trust the secondary to be left alone. Couple that with never knowing if the offense would score and it is very risky to leave yourself open for quick points. Our offense is not built to trade off scores with anyone. I bet if our offense was better he might have ran some more aggressive schemes. What's over is over, I think the defense will improve by next year and if not then we'll probably see an entire new staff anyway.
Well we did beat 2 top 12 teams this year with a very young team so that is a plus, I am worried about DTs in the future but I think you are right we will be better next on on Defense....like you said if not, they gone.
 
LOL at those who think Vance is really the DC and this defensive scheme is his.
 
DTs in the 3-3-5 don't typically make lots of tackles. Their job is gap control. Last year the two leading tacklers were Hicks and Edmonds. Brown was 7th on the team. In this D if you see a RB get to the second level without getting touched its a LB or a Safety that didn't make the play.
 
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They had the CBs dropped back giving 10 plus yds cushion. And the safeties were somewhere in Mexico. With 3 on the DL.

No excuses for a few injuries. Line up and stop the damn run when a team is selling out and only running the ball. And gashing you.

Notice how when they ran it down the field and got inside the 10 and we were "forced" to go to a goalline D.....how we suddenly stopped the run.

Like one time I actually saw them line up 4 DL and pinch down the nickel CB and put one of the outside CBs in press 'coverage' and we actually stopped them quickly on that drive. Would have been amazing to see that defensive set turn in to a reaction adjustment to BUs halftime adjustment of running the damn wildcat. Hell, it would have been a novel idea to roll a Safety in to the box.

It was mind boggling that we didn't readjust to BUs adjustment. And it was pretty damn unforgivable. They almost lost a game that BU was forced to run a backyard offense because they had no QBs left that could throw it worth a fart.
 
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Well we did beat 2 top 12 teams this year with a very young team so that is a plus, I am worried about DTs in the future but I think you are right we will be better next on on Defense....like you said if not, they gone.

I find myself using the young excuse way too much. I think its programmed in all of us. There were other teams that played just as many freshman and sophomores this year that had better defenses. Bedford needs to go.
 
From the Baylor perspective ---- BU ran several quick screens to the wide outs in the 2nd half (the only completed passes). I'm watching that ball live, fluttering slowly to Coleman, and thinking -- if that DB was anywhere in the same zip code, he'd get a pick six. There was no way Hawthorn was going to complete a pass 10 yards down field. Maybe Bedford/Strong thought with a 20 point lead they could go to a prevent and bleed the clock, but it almost cost them. The Longhorn fans sitting around me were certainly grumbling.
 
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blh will be along shortly with a newly created username chastising everyone in this thread for knee jerk 'panicking' and ever doubting the Strong/Bedford D. Bedford has been begging to be Watson'd all year but he and Strong must be awfully tight.
 
For people who think the were too young is just an excuse.

I can't think of even one college coach who could win more than 7 games with our team and schedule.
 
For people who think the were too young is just an excuse.

I can't think of even one college coach who could win more than 7 games with our team and schedule.
That may or may not be true BUT could another coaching staff made the games closer?.......played better?..........gotten better as season went along? It is NOT only wins and losses that bothers some of us. It is the show up one game and lay an egg in another that bothers us so bad.

I do think with the a coach who could gear his Offense and Defense to the personel we have that this team COULD have played better and been more consistent. I mean play ou like we did with pride, passion, and determination and then Iowa F'n St.???? It bothers me.
 
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Closer?

There were two real blowouts. The ND game and the TCU game. If ND doesnt lose their QB I'd bet they are in the playoffs.

TCU the same way.
I doubt another coach could of really prevented that much.
 
From the Baylor perspective ---- BU ran several quick screens to the wide outs in the 2nd half (the only completed passes). I'm watching that ball live, fluttering slowly to Coleman, and thinking -- if that DB was anywhere in the same zip code, he'd get a pick six. There was no way Hawthorn was going to complete a pass 10 yards down field. Maybe Bedford/Strong thought with a 20 point lead they could go to a prevent and bleed the clock, but it almost cost them. The Longhorn fans sitting around me were certainly grumbling.

It was frustrating as hell to watch, but the more I think about it, the more I think the offense deserves virtually all of the blame.

At one point we had seven freshmen (six true freshmen) in the back seven. I can very well understand the fear of giving up the big play in those circumstances -- and that doesn't have to come only by way of a long pass. I imagine Bedford was every bit as worried about a run or a short pass turning into a big gain or TD because of freshmen making freshmen mistakes (poor angles and tackling) with no help behind them. That's not an unreasonable fear. Yes, maybe we shut you down completely if we don't let you outnumber us, but there's also no denying that the risk would have been far higher that a BU player tear off a long TD run. Making you spend 8+ minutes to come away with a FG doesn't look quite as bad in that light.

If the offense had managed even just one TD (or even two FGs) instead of only a single FG in the second half, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Instead, we only managed to run 15 total plays in the four drives aside from the FG drive.

None of that is to say that I'm crazy about Bedford. I just disagree that his strategy was unreasonable, given the circumstances.
 
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Closer?

There were two real blowouts. The ND game and the TCU game. If ND doesnt lose their QB I'd bet they are in the playoffs.

TCU the same way.
I doubt another coach could of really prevented that much.
So why do Football teams EVER change coaches in your book???

Nevermind.
 
If you think this is the worst d in school history then you know nothing about our history over the list 25 years.

Think I have a gay thing about Vance Bedford? That's your comeback?

I've been watching Texas football since 1977, and yes, it was one of the worst defenses in Texas history. Worse than 97, worse than 2010, in all my time as a Longhorn fan, I don't remember a worse defense. Don't forget that in 97 it was also a defense full of freshmen like Kasey Hampton, Shaun Rogers, and Quintin Jammer.
 
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It was definitely not worse than 1997. That's not even debatable. The 1997 defense gave up 3.0 more points per game against far less potent offenses. The only offense of note that the 1997 team faced put up 66.
 
Closer?

There were two real blowouts. The ND game and the TCU game. If ND doesnt lose their QB I'd bet they are in the playoffs.

TCU the same way.
I doubt another coach could of really prevented that much.


You are forgetting Iowa St.


I agree with the earlier poster. To show up one week and look good and play with heart and dominate the trenches. Like say vs OU. And then to disappear and get pushed around and flat out quit like say vs TCU. Or to have an offense that can actually move the ball early in the year like say vs Cal. And then to bafflingly be unable to move it vs Iowa freaking St.

So inconsistent. And the staff would have wrinkles early in the game. And you'd sit back and be impressed. Only to have them blatantly ignore halftime adjustments (see Baylor game) and look like we are banging our heads against a wall and running the same 3 plays on offense and only own one defensive set.
 
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You are forgetting Iowa St.


I agree with the earlier poster. To show up one week and look good and play with heart and dominate the trenches. Like say vs OU. And then to disappear and get pushed around and flat out quit like say vs TCU. Or to have an offense that can actually move the ball early in the year like say vs Cal. And then to bafflingly be unable to move it vs Iowa freaking St.

So inconsistent. And the staff would have wrinkles early in the game. And you'd sit back and be impressed. Only to have them blatantly ignore halftime adjustments (see Baylor game) and look like we are banging our heads against a wall and running the same 3 plays on offense and only own one defensive set.
If you saw any OU games last year the offense had a lot of the same characteristics. Not sure if that was all Huepel since Norvell had say so too but I can definitely relate to the frustration.
 
It was definitely not worse than 1997. That's not even debatable. The 1997 defense gave up 3.0 more points per game against far less potent offenses. The only offense of note that the 1997 team faced put up 66.
I guess we all can say....worst defense against the run was......worst defense against the pass was.......worst defense giving up points was........then we can all go back and forth over the strength of schedule, style played, there is OT now and there wasn't then and on and on......... Im sure we can pick something that wasn't the worst in a certain category. I told the other poster this was the WORST defense by YARDS GIVEN UP...and I stand by it.

Every opinion is debatable. If it isn't then it is a fact and not opinion. I think this team had the worst as far as getting run up and down the field on.
 
I guess we all can say....worst defense against the run was......worst defense against the pass was.......worst defense giving up points was........then we can all go back and forth over the strength of schedule, style played, there is OT now and there wasn't then and on and on......... Im sure we can pick something that wasn't the worst in a certain category. I told the other poster this was the WORST defense by YARDS GIVEN UP...and I stand by it.

Can't argue with the yardage figure (also impacted by the far higher caliber of offenses faced), but points on the board are what matters most to me. Regardless, I think we can all agree that it still sucked out loud. :)
 
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Can't argue with the yardage figure (also impacted by the far higher caliber of offenses faced), but points on the board are what matters most to me. Regardless, I think we can all agree that it still sucked out loud. :)
I deleted a post that I thought you might think was directed at you BRB, it wasn't. The staff could have done better and that is basically all I mean. the worst things Strong has done in my opinion is some hires......the worst being Watson. I still hope Strong makes it. I will gladly take the flak.
 
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