Ben Simmons is......

I have said he is a great passer and a downhill player in this thread. You have compared him to LeBron James and Oscar Robertson. Who is hyperbolic? He isn’t a top 20 player in the NBA and won’t be until he developes a J. I’m very comfortable that post will hold up in 3 or 30 years.
Did I compare him to those to players or does his production?

I simply posted a stat that somewhat proves his unicorn-ness.

After you get beyond the top 10ish players in the NBA, there's a big dip.

He's in the group of players trying to make the hard final steps. Some of you have suggested he's not a top 20 player and I've merely pointed out that others agree with me, including those that vote on things like the All-NBA teams.
 
And if we're going to keep it 100, choosing to split hairs over Simmons being a top 20 player vs. a Top 30 player is the ultimate looking for reasons to argue with me situation.

I mean... good grief.
 
In this ranking done in January by Bleacher Report, he was ranked as the No.19 player in the league. It's literally the first link that pops up when you type "ranking NBA players 2019"

"Smart people are getting bent out of shape because Ben Simmons doesn't jack threes or mid-range jumpers, occupies Joel Embiid's preferred space when he doesn't have the ball and changes the way in which Jimmy Butler receives his shots. They're not wrong. They should also try harder to get over it.


  1. Simmons' true shooting percentage has jumped from his rookie season despite a poor free-throw clip and the complete absence of range, and he remains one of the game's best half-dozen passers. Up until now, no other player has cleared 17 points, 10 rebounds and eight assists per 36 minutes while matching his efficiency. (Nikola Jokic is in the process of eclipsing those same benchmarks.)

    Limited shooting isn't enough to entirely drag down Simmons' stock. Outside looks were never advertised as part of his game, and he's effective as hell without them. His turnover issues and slight defensive slippage are more worthwhile concerns.

honestly if that's what legends Adam Fromal and Dan Favale think then I don't know how to refute it. Did TMZ not do a top 50? Hell those elite journalists had Simmons as the 13th best player in the league in their original 2018-2019 rankings and had fvcking Chris Paul at #8!! They know their shit!
 
honestly if that's what legends Adam Fromal and Dan Favale think then I don't know how to refute it. Did TMZ not do a top 50? Hell those elite journalists had Simmons as the 13th best player in the league in their original 2018-2019 rankings and had fvcking Chris Paul at #8!! They know their shit!
I linked the most recent list I could find... outside...

of the All-NBA vote...
 
And if we're going to keep it 100, choosing to split hairs over Simmons being a top 20 player vs. a Top 30 player is the ultimate looking for reasons to argue with me situation.

I mean... good grief.
It’s not like you said “Top 20 is debatable, but Top 30 unquestionably.” You got real petulant. You are wrong. 1) Ben Simmons came in tied for 20th in all nba voting with the unstoppable and transcendent Danilo Gallinari 2) AD is most assuredly a better player and didn’t score highly for obvious reasons. NBA talent isn’t linear. There is a big difference between 5 and 10 and A steeper drop off between 10 and 15. 20 to 22 matters. And this board is about splitting hairs.
 
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Ben Simmons as a modern-day point guard has long been a square peg in a round hole. Yes, he's an incredible ball pusher and a high-level open-floor playmaker, both for himself and others. But he can't -- or won't -- shoot, and thus his drag on half-court offense, and more specifically his fit alongside Joel Embiid, continues to be the cloud that hangs over the entire Philadelphia 76ers franchise.

There has always been one seemingly obvious answer: Stop playing Simmons at point guard. Well, it sounds like the Sixers are finally ready to not just explore, but actually exercise that option when the season resumes in Orlando. On a conference call with media on Monday, Philly coach Brett Brown noted that over the last few days of practice he has "used [Simmons] exclusively as a four man."



https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...-move-that-could-unlock-their-full-potential/
 
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People that follow the league for a living disagree with you strongly, but you go ahead and feel free to list some of those dudes in his zip code. I'm always down for a good laugh.
Bro. He couldn't be on the floor in the playoffs
 
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It's surprising to me that, in 3 seasons, he has failed to learn to shoot or make any meaningful improvement. How do you get through HS, college and 3 years in the NBA, and not know how to shoot?
 
If I'm building a team to win in the NBA....
I would take Embiid and Tobias Harris from the Sixers ahead of Simmons.
His inability to shoot outside of 4 feet in today's NBA is a major concern.
Is he a good player..YES
Top 20 right now.....ugh no
 
This is what it looks like when people that don't know what they are talking about just make things up out of thin air.
You continue to prove why a lot of folks here cancelled their subscriptions.

sometimes as an owner or face of company you just have to be better. My 2 cents, but I also know a lot of others feel this way. Calling you out publicly as it gets tiring of hearing how you are going to act differently and then you talk to people in this manner. Quit being a member and act like an owner.

“You’re not wrong Walter....”
 
curry
harden
kawhi
durant
embiid
butler
lebron
kyrie
davis
lillard
mccollum
jokic
westbrook
george
giannis
klay
derozan
murray
KAT
Dlo
Griffin
Kemba
Luka
Porzingis
Mitchell
Booker
Beal
Conley
Hayward
Fox
Harris
Young
Wall


at this point he's not even close to a top 20 player
@Ketchum is it cool if I add another 20-30 players to the list?
 
curry
harden
kawhi
durant
embiid
butler
lebron
kyrie
davis
lillard
mccollum
jokic
westbrook
george
giannis
klay
derozan
murray
KAT
Dlo
Griffin
Kemba
Luka
Porzingis
Mitchell
Booker
Beal
Conley
Hayward
Fox
Harris
Young
Wall


at this point he's not even close to a top 20 player
Do i think Simmons is a liabilty on offense bc he can't shoot? Yes i do but, he is better than quite a few guys on that list Porzingas,Harris,Hayward,Conley,Young,Kemba,Griffith just to name a few.
 
Ketch seeing this thread get bumped….
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Simmons went his whole life being more talented by a wide margin than the players on the opposing Team. When he got to the big leagues the delta on talent was not that large and the fan base in Philly is merciless. He never has had to overcome that kind of adversity and does not have the mental make up to overcome fear of failure from intense criticism. Vince Young had some of the same issues…..
 
Simmons sucks and you have Embid handling the ball at the top of the key in crunch time and he has the ball stolen. (He wants to be the PG)
The Sixers are built for failure with this combination not to mention Doc Rivers as coach.
 
Do i think Simmons is a liabilty on offense bc he can't shoot? Yes i do but, he is better than quite a few guys on that list Porzingas,Harris,Hayward,Conley,Young,Kemba,Griffith just to name a few.
He is not better than anyone you listed, including "Griffith" whoever the f that is.
 
watched the whole series closely and he is just a massive liability offensively. I knew he was bad, but had no idea his game is pretty much completely devoid of offense save the occasional layup. With that said, he’s great defensively and has outstanding court vision. If he’s going to play pg, he really needs to be playing with some outstanding spot up shooters.
 
Top 20… absolutely not. You’ve lost your mind.
Simmons isn't quite ready to be THE guy, but he's still a top 20 player in the league.
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