Big 12 expansion options: Enrollment
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Interesting reports out of cincinitti is that UC basketball coach Mick Cronin is really pushing the school to get in to the big 12. So much so he's thinking of leaving.
Thank you for the effort but I doubt it has any sticking power with this guy. He hops from board to board outside of his conference like he has some single-handed war to wage to make the ACC look good. He never listens and he understands even less. But, like I said, best of luck at getting him to end it, he loves to hear himself babble and mutter.
Heck...I read it too...pretty plain English. I don't have a dog in the fight but the wording is clear re distributions.
"GTAA's ACC distributions accounted for 41.2% of fiscal 2015 operating revenues and increased over 40% from 2014 to $27.3 million.
If you diagram the freeking sentence...you can isolate the phrasing to..
GTAA's ACC distributions increased over 40% from 2014 to $27.3 million.
It is English....It is plain. It could be wrong, but only dunderheads could misread the sentence.
One could say..."GTAA's ACC distributions, while accounting for 41.2% of fiscal 2015 operating revenues, increased over 40% from 2014 to $27.3 million.
They could be wrong...but there is only one way to read this sentence.
"GTAA's ACC distributions accounted for 41.2% of fiscal 2015 operating revenues and increased over 40% from 2014 to $27.3 million.
If you diagram the freeking sentence...you can isolate the phrasing to..
GTAA's ACC distributions increased over 40% from 2014 to $27.3 million.
It is English....It is plain. It could be wrong, but only dunderheads could misread the sentence.
One could say..."GTAA's ACC distributions, while accounting for 41.2% of fiscal 2015 operating revenues, increased over 40% from 2014 to $27.3 million.
They could be wrong...but there is only one way to read this sentence.
Again, you have to read the entire section in context. The 27.3 million is the total income to the AD. It includes the TV package as well as advertising, ticket sales and gifts to the AD. It is not just the TV package. Part of the problem is the awkward manner in which the data is presented but there is also a desire by some to clip out non-supporting context that changes the conclusion.
Nope, you are wrong. Here you go. Georgia Tech's total revenue from 2015 is $74.4 million, not $27.3 million. http://factbook.gatech.edu/financial-information/gt-total-revenues-table-7-1-fig-7-3/
That's why the article reads the way it does, because the $27 million is just ACC revenue, not total revenue. You are the one taking things out of context, not me, and the numbers prove it.
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So what are we arguing, total revenue or football revenue? I'm pretty sure football revenue was the original argument. I know for a fact if you want to talk about total revenue, Texas is still killing it over everyone in the country.
Neither. This is an argument that unfortunately spilled over from another board. The other poster followed me over here to continue the argument. The issue is, he doesn't believe the ACC's payout is as high is actually is. That's why I posted the article about Georgia Tech's payout from the ACC. The other poster is claiming that the number listed is not the ACC payout, but rather Georgia Tech's total athletic revenue. That's why I posted the link showing Georgia Tech's total revenue, to demonstrate that the figure listed in the first article was in fact only the ACC payout.
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I'm pretty sure the article you posted was about total revenue for the athletic department. There is no way that is just football money. If we are talking total revenue, Texas is at 165.7 Mil in revenue. That was for 2013, I'm pretty sure we are a lot higher now.
Originally we were only talking about football, I'm not sure how this turned into a total revenue thing?
I personally would like to see 8 Big 12 teams and 6 ACC teams break off from their respective conference and become a whole new conference.
Texas Oklahoma, Kansas, WVU, TCU, OSU, Tech, Baylor
Clemson, FSU, G-Tech, V-Tech, NCSU, Miami
It would be on par with the SEC in talent and prestige.
Originally we were only talking about football, I'm not sure how this turned into a total revenue thing?
I personally would like to see 8 Big 12 teams and 6 ACC teams break off from their respective conference and become a whole new conference.
Texas Oklahoma, Kansas, WVU, TCU, OSU, Tech, Baylor
Clemson, FSU, G-Tech, V-Tech, NCSU, Miami
It would be on par with the SEC in talent and prestige.
GT's Total Revenue for the AD was $68, 469, 538. That includes ticket sales, donations, etc.
We confuse "conference distributions" with Total Revenue...and we further confuse football only media money with conference distributions which include bowl game monies and basketball money.
Example...if one said that the GT media contract returned $19 million, it would not be inconceivable that the ACC Conference distribution would be $27 million....
To include basketball, bowl games, redistribution of Maryland exit fees, etc.
You don't understand what I'm talking about. I was referring to a specific part of the article. It said that Georgia Tech received $27 million from the ACC in FY2015. The other poster was trying to claim that the $27 million was Georgia Tech's entire athletic department revenue. I was pointing out that the $27 million is only the payout from the ACC, not the entire revenue from the athletic department.
This has nothing to do with Texas, football money, or anything like that. This is strictly about how much the ACC payouts are. As to why the conversation shifted in this direction, I explained that. The other poster and I were having this argument on another board. He followed me over here and continued the argument. I realize it has nothing to do with the original thread.
Yes, this is exactly the point. The main reason the ACC payout increased as it did in FY2015 was because of several factors. The CFP payouts (which amounted to roughly $3 million extra per team), Florida St making the playoffs, the Orange Bowl contract, and Duke winning the national championship.
This is a bit off the subject but a lot of people like to bitch about Texas throwing their weight around, but keep in mind every Conference has their own Texas so to speak. ACC has tobacco row which as a unit controls that conference. The Big 10 has OSU/Michigan, again, they absolutely run that conference. Not sure who is the big dick in the SEC, I'd suspect it was Bama, Florida and Georgia. Pac 12 has FeCal and Stanford.
No matter what conference you are in, you have to deal with schools just like Texas. The difference is Texas is big enough and wields enough power it doesn't need other schools to back them up.
This brings me to Nebraska, for a long time Nebraska ran things in the Big 8, but in the Big 12, it lost that power to Texas. The egos of that school (Tom Osborne) couldn't handle that, to add insult to injury, they couldn't beat Texas on the field, so when the opportunity came they bolted and in turn blamed Texas for everything.
In Nebraska's case, they were right. Texas came in and stole their throne and all their power. Texas pushed for specific rules changes and the conference saw it Texas way and followed them, not Nebraska. In truth, Texas cut off their balls.
If Texas joined another conference, I'd be curious to see who would follow who.
Texas vs Cal/Stanford
Texas vs Tobacco row
Texas vs Bama, Florida, Georgia
Texas vs tOSU/Michigan
Makes a lot of this conference talk meaningless, I think there are a lot of Nebraska's out there, and Texas has a reputation for not playing nice. Just another reason to go independent in football and store all of our other programs in the Big 12 or some other conference.
No matter what conference you are in, you have to deal with schools just like Texas. The difference is Texas is big enough and wields enough power it doesn't need other schools to back them up.
This brings me to Nebraska, for a long time Nebraska ran things in the Big 8, but in the Big 12, it lost that power to Texas. The egos of that school (Tom Osborne) couldn't handle that, to add insult to injury, they couldn't beat Texas on the field, so when the opportunity came they bolted and in turn blamed Texas for everything.
In Nebraska's case, they were right. Texas came in and stole their throne and all their power. Texas pushed for specific rules changes and the conference saw it Texas way and followed them, not Nebraska. In truth, Texas cut off their balls.
If Texas joined another conference, I'd be curious to see who would follow who.
Texas vs Cal/Stanford
Texas vs Tobacco row
Texas vs Bama, Florida, Georgia
Texas vs tOSU/Michigan
Makes a lot of this conference talk meaningless, I think there are a lot of Nebraska's out there, and Texas has a reputation for not playing nice. Just another reason to go independent in football and store all of our other programs in the Big 12 or some other conference.
None of those scenarios would be a battle like everyone makes it out to be, but the easiest two to get along with would probably be the Pac 12 or ACC. The Pac 12 would probably go along with anything except the LHN. The ACC might even go along with that, given how they handled Notre Dame. Plus, North Carolina and Duke don't run everything like people think. They never wanted expansion in the first place, but got voted down.
You say that but it was enough of a big deal that it drove Nebraska out of our conference. Never underestimate the resentment that follows a leader after they are no longer a leader
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