Big XII Expansion Announced Monday?
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Fair enough.
I still will stick to my opinion that as long as the Big XII continues this asinine plan of expansion, there will be no National Championship trophies in any of the Big XII trophy cases.
drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
Just when Tommy Tuberville thought he was out of the Big 12... They pull him back in.
with Memphis, Cincinatti, UH and BYU, the Big12 will be a great basketball conference.
only BYU is a good road trip for Horn fans
only BYU is a good road trip for Horn fans
It's all a cash grab. There is a rumor that the FedEx chair has promised that they will sponsor the B12 championship game if/once they are brought into the conference. It's also a fairly large market and is in a region with lots of football fans. Football wise, who knows if they will be able to elevate the program. They were pretty good last year but now that coach and best players are gone.
drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
shitty bbq and crime
drunk randoke
“Let us have peace.” General Grant
Beal street. Which... is a street.
Give us all a break & leave as fast as we can---we have enough scrubs in the little ten already---The U should always be in with the big boys---this would be humiliating to our stature as the #1 public school in the country!
Crossing the line. Weren't you recently spanked and sent to bed without your supper for posting trash about a poster's mom?
Good point - We made a pilgrimage to Graceland to honor the King a few years back- the BBQ was just ok - downtown was rough.
I hope we can get out. This is a nightmare. The other Texas schools will use their influence at the Lege to prevent us from leaving. Adding U of H may be our undoing.
Only because the real bombshell hasn't hit: gor will extend. Our leadership past and present has NEVER given an indication that we want to leave. False hope by is losers
Because we obviously think this is where we belong or satisfied being in a crap conference. Other than men's swimming and diving, men's golf and women's volleyball, we have not done much in quite a while. We obviously need to get our house in order before we think about moving to a more competitive conference. I will say this, things may finally be looking up in the 3 major sports. Hopefully, by the time we gets some things fixed we will look for greener pastures. Although I am less than convinced, one can only hope.
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Then by your own logic let's move to a BETTER conference with BETTER opponents and JUST WIN in the better conference?
Completely agree. I think expanding with Little Sisters of the Prairie teams only embarrasses and diminishes us ... but if we're going to do it anyway, then let's at least do so with programs that have real potential in critical recruiting and demographic territories.
UCF & USF fit the bill. It's unlikely that anyone else does.
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Here is a mildly persuasive article on adding Cincinnati, primarily from a recruiting standpoint. Written by a UC grad I think.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.penn...n_state_football_big_ten_bi.amp?client=safari Sorry link might be bad...
"Frankly, I can't see how the Big 12 would pass on UC. It is located in an area that connects recent addition West Virginia which is currently a geographic outlier apart from all nine other members. The city has a rich high school football culture.
Cincinnati is also one of four candidates that have played in a major bowl in the last decade, having faced Florida in the post-2009 Sugar Bowl. The others are Boise State, UConn, and Central Florida (in the post-2006, 2010 and 2013 Fiesta Bowls, respectively). Boise and UCF won their games (over the Big 12's Oklahoma and Baylor, no less); UConn and UC were blown out.
Certainly, the most interesting and sensible addition from the standpoint of impacting the Big Ten is Cincinnati. It's smack in the middle of the conference's footprint.
Pictured on the sideline during a 58-34 non-conference win over Toledo in September 2014, Tommy Tuberville was the president of the American Football Coaches Association last year and is well-connected throughout the rich recruiting turf of the Deep South. But Power Five conference status could give him cachet in UC's home state it's never had before. Univ. of Cincinnati/Lisa Ventre
It is led by an old birddog in Tommy Tuberville who has seen and done it all recruiting in the SEC at two different schools. I think a UC addition to the Big 12 would significantly affect the recruiting of not just Ohio State but everyone in contiguous states who has previously mined the city's fertile Catholic school football talent base.
Contrary to the belief of many casual observers, Cincinnati is far from being secure-bordered Buckeye country, certainly not as much as OSU-loving Cleveland. The Queen City has always marched to its own drumbeat independent of Ohio State. Though Urban Meyer added former UC assistant (2007-11) Kerry Coombs as special teams coach in 2013 specifically to beef up OSU's cachet in Cincinnati and it has worked to an extent, the river city has always been more attuned to music other than theBuckeye Battle Cry.
So, a Bearcats membership in a Power Five league could very easily unplug all Meyer has done in southwest Ohio. Under Mark Dantonio, especially Brian Kelly and then Butch Jones, a fire was lit under the locals for UC football that never existed when I was in school there four decades ago. Ancient Nippert Stadium, built 92 years ago, is freshly renovated, expanded to 40,000 seats and has turned into a bonafide snake pit. The townsfolk are ready to embrace the big-time college game.
UC in a major conference would also give Ohio State competition on its western front it has never had to worry about before. Not that many great recruits pump out of Indiana or Kentucky in an average year. But if Tuberville and his boys start pilfering serious recruits from Ohio, a state Meyer and Jim Tressel have dominated for a decade and a half? Then we have some fireworks.
Of course, there is no guarantee the Big 12 does the sensible thing and invites Cincinnati. This conference and its commissioner Bob Bowlsby have not exactly represented the vanguard of shrewd operating in the past. It has consistently lagged behind the other four Power Five conferences and been raided by both the SEC and Big Ten.
It should not have lost Missouri. It could and should have had Louisville as a member but was beaten to the punch by the ACC. With Louisville and West Virginia connected by Cincinnati and possibly Memphis, the Big 12 could have built a distinctive and contiguous mid-South footprint onto its existing Cornbelt/Texas neighborhood that makes sense and challenges both the SEC and the B1G.
Expecting this dysfunctional clan to do the smart thing now is no lock. Still, the next few weeks do bear watching.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.penn...n_state_football_big_ten_bi.amp?client=safari Sorry link might be bad...
"Frankly, I can't see how the Big 12 would pass on UC. It is located in an area that connects recent addition West Virginia which is currently a geographic outlier apart from all nine other members. The city has a rich high school football culture.
Cincinnati is also one of four candidates that have played in a major bowl in the last decade, having faced Florida in the post-2009 Sugar Bowl. The others are Boise State, UConn, and Central Florida (in the post-2006, 2010 and 2013 Fiesta Bowls, respectively). Boise and UCF won their games (over the Big 12's Oklahoma and Baylor, no less); UConn and UC were blown out.
Certainly, the most interesting and sensible addition from the standpoint of impacting the Big Ten is Cincinnati. It's smack in the middle of the conference's footprint.
Pictured on the sideline during a 58-34 non-conference win over Toledo in September 2014, Tommy Tuberville was the president of the American Football Coaches Association last year and is well-connected throughout the rich recruiting turf of the Deep South. But Power Five conference status could give him cachet in UC's home state it's never had before. Univ. of Cincinnati/Lisa VentreIt is led by an old birddog in Tommy Tuberville who has seen and done it all recruiting in the SEC at two different schools. I think a UC addition to the Big 12 would significantly affect the recruiting of not just Ohio State but everyone in contiguous states who has previously mined the city's fertile Catholic school football talent base.
Contrary to the belief of many casual observers, Cincinnati is far from being secure-bordered Buckeye country, certainly not as much as OSU-loving Cleveland. The Queen City has always marched to its own drumbeat independent of Ohio State. Though Urban Meyer added former UC assistant (2007-11) Kerry Coombs as special teams coach in 2013 specifically to beef up OSU's cachet in Cincinnati and it has worked to an extent, the river city has always been more attuned to music other than theBuckeye Battle Cry.
So, a Bearcats membership in a Power Five league could very easily unplug all Meyer has done in southwest Ohio. Under Mark Dantonio, especially Brian Kelly and then Butch Jones, a fire was lit under the locals for UC football that never existed when I was in school there four decades ago. Ancient Nippert Stadium, built 92 years ago, is freshly renovated, expanded to 40,000 seats and has turned into a bonafide snake pit. The townsfolk are ready to embrace the big-time college game.
UC in a major conference would also give Ohio State competition on its western front it has never had to worry about before. Not that many great recruits pump out of Indiana or Kentucky in an average year. But if Tuberville and his boys start pilfering serious recruits from Ohio, a state Meyer and Jim Tressel have dominated for a decade and a half? Then we have some fireworks.
Of course, there is no guarantee the Big 12 does the sensible thing and invites Cincinnati. This conference and its commissioner Bob Bowlsby have not exactly represented the vanguard of shrewd operating in the past. It has consistently lagged behind the other four Power Five conferences and been raided by both the SEC and Big Ten.
It should not have lost Missouri. It could and should have had Louisville as a member but was beaten to the punch by the ACC. With Louisville and West Virginia connected by Cincinnati and possibly Memphis, the Big 12 could have built a distinctive and contiguous mid-South footprint onto its existing Cornbelt/Texas neighborhood that makes sense and challenges both the SEC and the B1G.
Expecting this dysfunctional clan to do the smart thing now is no lock. Still, the next few weeks do bear watching.
Let me guess. You are the one that couldn't take a joke the first time and turned me in? I stand by my response to the assertion that a man who never attended a single football game at his university is somehow a negative reflection against that university. And again, my response was a joke. If you want to be a mod, apply. Otherwise, your hall monitor behavior is extremely lame.
And p.s. There is an enormous difference between "talking trash about a poster's mom" and making a mom joke. Unless it's too hard for you to comprehend the impossibility of a single person having sex with half of the members of this website.
The issue will be UT fans apathy towards having a nationally relevant, competitive game. The season ticket holder is the one who is getting screwed.
The arguement I hear is that when we are winning, no one will care. The UT fans that I know actually do care about how they spend their money on entertainment. Most reasonable people don't shell out hundreds of dollars to watch an exhibition fight between a champion and an amateur, they want a competitive game between heavyweights. This is the point most miss in adding mid major teams. It doesn't seem unreasonable to think that maybe, just maybe, people are going to start to realize they can save the headache of game day at DKR and stay at home instead of paying hundreds of dollars to watch a mediocre product. They will realize that they can simply record the game between Texas and Memphis, Kansas, Iowa State, UConn, etc. and tune in and watch a nationally relevant, competitive, real college football game in the comfort of their home and once everyone has gone to sleep, they can then turn on the sh*t product that is the big 12 conference game. Then they can read the morning paper on how UT is just a victim to national "trends" in a decline in stadium attendance.....
Think about this for a second:
The only heavyweight conference game we play is played in Dallas. We literally get zero national "brand name" conference games at DKR. Ever. Now think of every other p5 conference in football. I will say it again,...the season ticket holder is the one getting screwed here. The thing that is maddening is that we could do much, much better than the big 12 and still have a great shot at going to the playoffs.
Some people get it and some don't.
This is a money grab due to a provision of the TV contract. If the Dallas Big 12 officials had ten minutes to announce 4 members they would fill in Southlake, Trinity, Allen and Desoto just to get the money. It's short term to maximize the money. The future of college football and media rights is on a different path. UC and BYU are the best choices while Memphis is all about the money and Houston is for political and maybe some strategic purposes.
In the end if UT wins....we are in the playoffs
This is a money grab due to a provision of the TV contract. If the Dallas Big 12 officials had ten minutes to announce 4 members they would fill in Southlake, Trinity, Allen and Desoto just to get the money. It's short term to maximize the money. The future of college football and media rights is on a different path. UC and BYU are the best choices while Memphis is all about the money and Houston is for political and maybe some strategic purposes.
In the end if UT wins....we are in the playoffs
This.
The conference wants to expand for the TV money. Abbott says no expansion without UH for obvious reasons and boom that's the end of the discussion about whether or not uH is one of the expansion schools. The others have different merits.
Ah, so you're gonna go with the it was a joke among friends rationale? Really?
Not sure how old you are, don't really care but as one gets older we learn certain life lessons; one is, some things we just don't joke about. Another is some lines we just don't cross. Joking/talking trash about anyone's family in particular a mother is something rational people don't normally do; especially when they don't know the other person outside the anonymity of an internet sports forum. Pretty simple concept to understand that should have been learned by the time a person completes high school.
It doesn't take a mod or a hall monitor to see that there was absolutely no sign of humor or class in your reply to the other poster ITT. ...And no, I'd never say your mom slept with half of the OB members. I wouldn't say that to a fellow poster on OB and I wouldn't say that to someone who was a life long friend. Dude, WTH is the matter with you?
