Body Language in the Joe Mixon Videos

[HornsRuleU]

All the threads on this are closed, but I must correct my earlier description of the video. As I stated, my account was based on different reporters' accounts of the videos.

And it's videos rather than video. There are 2 surveillance videos, and they're put together or shown separately. When you see them separately, there are more details. And some versions show the whole thing.

Here's what I see in the body language. All "quotes" are just my guesses at what they're saying:

• Mia Molitor puts her hands to her face as she walks in, 2 or 2.5 times. She's either:
  • Trying to draw attention, calling out to people. OR
  • Freaked out, and trying to calm down, due to the conversation with Mixon outside.
• She leans over the table of OU Football Player No. 8, displaying her cleavage. She's also throwing her hair around. Preening? That would lean toward trying to draw attention.
• She doesn't sit down. Neither does her effeminate friend, Pajama Boy. Maybe they don't know #8 that well? Or just too upset to sit down?
  
• Joe Mixon comes in 11 seconds later.
• Using an aggressive gesture, she tells Mixon to join them. Again, this leans toward option 1. She's not freaked out. She's pissed at him already.
• He comes over, but she just ignores him. Back to him. More aggression.
• Is she telling #8 what his teammate Mixon said outside? "You wouldn't believe what this jerk (Mixon) said to me..."
• Whatever it is that she's saying, Mixon isn't getting mad. He just listens and watches.
• Pajama Boy starts it all. Also has his back to Mixon. With his thumb, he points over his shoulder at Mixon, as he talks to #8. He's saying shit. Saying the "n" word to another black man? Very unlikely, unless he's tight with #8. "Your teammate here is a real piece of work."
• PB immediately moves away from Mixon and closer to #8. There's a small connection there -- PB knows #8 somewhat.
  
• Mixon's not into being insulted, but neither does he threaten PB or seem overly angry. Further reaon not to believe anyone used the N-word. Mildly pissed, is all.
• Mixon's about to leave, but insults PB. "Dumbass."
• She replies harshly. "You're one to talk."
• So Mixon turns, replying. "Yeah, he's a dumbass and a f*****." (homophobic slur)
• This infuriates her. She gets in his face. She registers her disapproval by pushing Mixon with both hands. "Cut that shit out!" (my guess)
• Is she assuming a prior relationship with Mixon, by touching him?
• Mixon turns from insulted to furious. He lunges at her, face first. "Don't touch me, b****!" (If anyone is doing any spitting, it's Joe Mixon spitting on Mia Molitor, but I doubt it.)
• She defends her space -- now with a dude's face and neck in it -- by holding her left arm out and by whacking him on the neck with her right. Barely. He later tells police, "It felt like a dude hit me." Nuh uh. Not unless the dude is a 9 YO.
• He instantly decks her. No holding her off. No backing off. No asking her why she did that. No walking away. No announcing to the restaurant that she touched him, and not vice-versa. It's just Boom.
• She doesn't "leave her feet" or go airborne, as suggested by NewsOK.com and then myself. She just goes down, hitting her head along the way.
• She's on her face, motionless, for exactly 30 seconds, from right hook to her starting to get helped up. (We only see her legs in the video. Maybe she comes to earlier.)
• Pajama Boy is her only true friend here. He sticks with her.
• Sympathetic females come to her aid, but they're just bystanders.
• No. 8 stands up and walks away a bit. He doesn't help but neither does he leave. He doesn't have a whole lot of connection to Mia or Pajama Boy.
• Plenty of people show mild interest, and a couple chicks retreat to the ladies room and quickly return.
• The manager of the place is professional when facing the group around Mia, but when he turns away he throws something in anger. "Crap! Just my luck!"
• She's not bleeding as profusely as I thought from the other descriptions. Still, she's staggering from the two blows -- one by Mixon and the other by the table edge. PB and the other girls are helping her up, or she'd have been down for longer than 30 seconds.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Mixon told police that "it felt like a dude hit me"

 

[mm42]

Bob Stoops is a POS. I wish Jerry Sandusky would corner him in the shower.

 

[LonghornMM]

The reason why these type of threads get locked is because it turns into insults back and forth and people say the same things over and over. It goes nowhere. One side isn't going to convince the other and show them "how wrong they are".

 

[RoboCocks21]

Hey MM can you count how many threads have been locked with Mixon in them?

 

[HornsRuleU]

Mixon told police that "it felt like a dude hit me"

OK. What I had was pretty close, but I corrected that. Thanks for the catch.

 

[HornsRuleU]

The reason why these type of threads get locked is because it turns into insults back and forth and people say the same things over and over. It goes nowhere. One side isn't going to convince the other and show them "how wrong they are".

Good to know, and quite true.

I'm trying to not be pro- or anti- anyone, but just describe what I see (and imagine why that went down). Trashing other programs for its own sake is petty, irrational and untruthful. It can also be hypocritical. I hope I'm never doing that.

My goal isn't to convince anyone, per se, but to correct part of what I'd written. Can't do that if the thread is locked. Sorry if that clutters up the board. We'll get over it.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

We can argue this to death. The fact is Mixon punched a woman got red shirted as punishment and did community service with counseling as punishment by the law. Everyone in America that's into sports and possibly someone just reading the news online has seen it. OU needs some soul searching because they're liable in the end for taking on players that have history of violence. Good luck to them but to me they're just setting themselves up for failure in the long run.

 

[TexExSpur]

He shows NO restraint, this is a character flaw you don't simply change due to will power or because he says he can. Didn't he have an altercation with a ticket/parking attendant this year?

It's part of who he is, predisposition..........


IMHO, he is a POS... The school looks bad for retaining him.

 

[Scholz]

The reason why these type of threads get locked is because it turns into insults back and forth and people say the same things over and over. It goes nowhere. One side isn't going to convince the other and show them "how wrong they are".

Well I've put on ignore all of the $ooners in that thread so I won't be conversing with any of them anymore. Just an FYI. Just can't stand those people.

 

[LonghornMM]

Hey MM can you count how many threads have been locked with Mixon in them?

Not sure how many Mixon threads have been locked, but it never fails that a topic with "OU" in the title generates these types insults and name calling.

 

[dj701919]

Mixon told police that "it felt like a dude hit me"

She slapped him. He gets hit harder than that at practice.

In the new video, Mixon stated that a male friend of Molitor hurled a racial epitaph at him, prompting Mixon to hurl a homophobic slur at what he described to police as “[t]he gay dude.” Shortly thereafter, the verbal altercation turned physical between Molitor and Mixon.

“The gay dude … he called me something,” Mixon said according to The Oklahoman. “He was like (slur). So then I was like, you got me messed up. And then I called him a (slur). And after that, the girl, she dropped her purse, that’s when she came in my face, pushed me, and then my glasses came off, and then, like, I had, like, jumped at her, like, to watch out. And then she came in my face. I put my head down. And she swung on me.

“And after that, like, I was so shocked, because she hit me so hard. It felt like a dude hit me. And after that, like, my face went boom, my reaction was just right there.”

Does he ever provide an explanation for why he followed her back into the restuarant and stands right next to their table staring at her before this all goes down?

 

[LongfellowDrew]

“The gay dude … he called me something,” Mixon said according to The Oklahoman.

He called him a N-word? Was it the N word that everyone uses around each other or the actual N word that all African Americans hate. I ask this because there was another black man sitting at the table and it looks as if the "gay dude" was talking to him and Mixon was over his shoulder listening. You'll see the other black gentleman get up and walk out as soon as Mixon leaves. So was the N word so bad that the other man decided to keep his cool or was it one of those DUDE type N words? I just find it odd.

 

[dj701919]

He called him a N-word? Was it the N word that everyone uses around each other or the actual N word that all African Americans hate. I ask this because there was another black man sitting at the table and it looks as if the "gay dude" was talking to him and Mixon was over his shoulder listening. You'll see the other black gentleman get up and walk out as soon as Mixon leaves. So was the N word so bad that the other man decided to keep his cool or was it one of those DUDE type N words? I just find it odd.

I'm just wondering why he followed her back to the table before that all went down. If he wasn't with them, why did he come and stand right next to their table. If he doesn't do that, there is never a verbal altercation.

 

[team1984]

If nothing his draft stock will drop like a rock.

 

[TexasRoc]

As a man I look at the video and immediately think I would kill Mixon.

After thinking about it for a while, I also see it from a different point of view. I keep hearing how he should have went to jail, but no one is saying she should have went to jail for assault. Lawfully she pushed him then slapped him (and yes I get the moral part of it all, but that goes without saying). What is missing in the discussion, is women need to start paying a stiff penalty for assault, regardless of their strength. She felt entitled and thought there would be no repercussions for her actions. What made her think it was ok to slap anyone? It's because society enables such actions, by only focusing on the stronger being. Had he let her make it, her actions would have went unpunished, as they typically do for women like her. Her type is used to doing such things with impunity. Could he have handled it differently...yep...but it never happens without her pushing and slapping him. Not everyone is going to be a slap dummy. He is going to catch heat for dropping her, but people are scared to speak on a real resolution, for what caused his reaction. This doesn't mean he did the right thing, but she is getting off free, and she initiated the physical altercation. For every action, there is a reaction...that she doesn't control...so keep your hands to yourself. And yes I would still kill him if it was my kinfolk, I do not care about the right and wrong of the situation.

 

[TexasRoc]

He called him a N-word? Was it the N word that everyone uses around each other or the actual N word that all African Americans hate. I ask this because there was another black man sitting at the table and it looks as if the "gay dude" was talking to him and Mixon was over his shoulder listening. You'll see the other black gentleman get up and walk out as soon as Mixon leaves. So was the N word so bad that the other man decided to keep his cool or was it one of those DUDE type N words? I just find it odd.

The N word used in any manner, is hated by black people, if it comes from a white person. There is no N word for everyone...but black people aren't monolithic, so some may not care...or they may not take it a certain way, coming from a gay male. A lot of people from different nationalities use it, especially women, it's the straight white male that doesn't get to use it (and nothing is absolute, as some allow their white friends to use the term also). It's truly a black thing, that you wouldn't understand. But none of that matters...it doesn't justify hitting her. Her pushing him, then slapping him, and him responding like he did, is the issue.

 

[TexasRoc]

I'm just wondering why he followed her back to the table before that all went down. If he wasn't with them, why did he come and stand right next to their table. If he doesn't do that, there is never a verbal altercation.

She actually waved him over, but that doesn't mean he had to take her up on her offer. But that's the answer to your question.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

The N word used in any manner, is hated by black people, if it comes from a white person. There is no N word for everyone...but black people aren't monolithic, so some may not care...or they may not take it a certain way, coming from a gay male. A lot of people from different nationalities use it, especially women, it's the straight white male that doesn't get to use it (and nothing is absolute, as some allow their white friends to use the term also). It's truly a black thing, that you wouldn't understand. But none of that matters...it doesn't justify hitting her. Her pushing him, then slapping him, and him responding like he did, is the issue.

You're missing my point. Another African American was sitting right there. Actually two! And yeah bro I don't get it being hispanic growing up in Greenspoint (sarcasm again). You have no clue what I get or don't.

 

[dj701919]

As a man I look at the video and immediately think I would kill Mixon.

After thinking about it for a while, I also see it from a different point of view. I keep hearing how he should have went to jail, but no one is saying she should have went to jail for assault. Lawfully she pushed him then slapped him (and yes I get the moral part of it all, but that goes without saying). What is missing in the discussion, is women need to start paying a stiff penalty for assault, regardless of their strength. She felt entitled and thought there would be no repercussions for her actions. What made her think it was ok to slap anyone? It's because society enables such actions, by only focusing on the stronger being. Had he let her make it, her actions would have went unpunished, as they typically do for women like her. Her type is used to doing such things with impunity. Could he have handled it differently...yep...but it never happens without her pushing and slapping him. Not everyone is going to be a slap dummy. He is going to catch heat for dropping her, but people are scared to speak on a real resolution, for what caused his reaction. This doesn't mean he did the right thing, but she is getting off free, and she initiated the physical altercation. For every action, there is a reaction...that she doesn't control...so keep your hands to yourself. And yes I would still kill him if it was my kinfolk, I do not care about the right and wrong of the situation.

Per Oklahoma Assault and Battery statutes, what she did would be defined a simple assault and what he did would be defined as aggravated assault. The former is a misdemeanor and the latter is a felony.

There isn't a law in the country that defines self defense as "You hit me, so I get to hit you back".

 

[LongfellowDrew]

It's truly a black thing, that you wouldn't understand.

Are you black? I have black friends. I went to a predominantly black and hispanic school. Did you? Or are you one of those I read a book and think I know what goes on in the hood type guys?

 

[TexasRoc]

You're missing my point. Another African American was sitting right there. Actually two! And yeah bro I don't get it being hispanic growing up in Greenspoint (sarcasm again). You have no clue what I get or don't.

You being hispanic doesn't mean you get it, when it comes to the N word (and reading your post told me you don't get it), and you took that way to personal. You said it was odd, and I simply explained why you might not get it. I didn't miss your point, but you did miss mine. It wasn't that type of conversation.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

You being hispanic doesn't mean you get it, when it comes to the N word (and reading your post told me you don't get it), and you took that way to personal. You said it was odd, and I simply explained why you might not get it. I didn't miss your point, but you did miss mine. It wasn't that type of conversation.

No me growing up around black folks means I get it. I understand why its used and who it's used by. I know when to use it and when not to. Yes I get it! Do you?

I assume he said N with an A at the end while gesturing with his thumb to his black friends at the table. Most of us do this when we are around our boys. Mixon obviously wasn't his boy.

Again I ask are you black and have knowledge of what you speak from experience or just talking out your butt.

 

[TexasRoc]

Per Oklahoma Assault and Battery statutes, what she did would be defined a simple assault and what he did would be defined as aggravated assault. The former is a misdemeanor and the latter is a felony.

There isn't a law in the country that defines self defense as "You hit me, so I get to hit you back".

Both broke the law, I don't get your point, because that's what I said. And who said anything about self defense, and the levels at which they broke the law? I clearly stated that women need to start paying a stiff penalty for assault, regardless of their strength, because women like her tend to hit men with impunity. I guarantee she would not have pushed and slapped another woman like that. She didn't think he would hit her back, because she has been enabled.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Both broke the law, I don't get your point, because that's what I said. And who said anything about self defense, and the levels at which they broke the law? I clearly stated that women need to start paying a stiff penalty for assault, regardless of their strength, because women like her tend to hit men with impunity. I guarantee she would not have pushed and slapped another woman like that. She didn't think he would hit her back, because she has been enabled.

Enabled like a football player that gets away with whatever they want. Got it!

 

[TexasRoc]

No me growing up around black folks means I get it. I understand why its used and who it's used by. I know when to use it and when not to. Yes I get it! Do you?

I assume he said N with an A at the end while gesturing with his thumb to his black friends at the table. Most of us do this when we are around our boys. Mixon obviously wasn't his boy.

Again I ask are you black and have knowledge of what you speak from experience or just talking out your butt.

Of course I get it, why do you think I answered your question. I'll say it again, you took it way to personal...let it go. I was simply explaining why it may be odd to you.

 

[TexasRoc]

Enabled like a football player that gets away with whatever they want. Got it!

We all agree that when it comes to Stoops, he does enable his players. But what does that have to do with her entitlement. That doesn't pardon her. I'm confused with the point you're trying to make.

 

[dj701919]

Both broke the law, I don't get your point, because that's what I said. And who said anything about self defense, and the levels at which they broke the law? I clearly stated that women need to start paying a stiff penalty for assault, regardless of their strength, because women like her tend to hit men with impunity. I guarantee she would not have pushed and slapped another woman like that. She didn't think he would hit her back, because she has been enabled.

Well she learned her lesson.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

We all agree that when it comes to Stoops, he does enable his players. But what does that have to do with her entitlement. That doesn't pardon her. I'm confused with the point you're trying to make.

Well both felt entitled right? Her push which made him thrust his head towards her as if that was supposed to scare her into the fetal position because he's a big man. Right? Then walk out like nothing would ever happen. You must feel entitled to have no sense of repercussions.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I seriously wonder how men feel the need to punch a woman dead in the face and think this is alright. If she had a gun, knife, car, or some weapon to almost kill you then ok. Times have seriously changed and I'm only 38!!

 

[LonghornMM]

Calling someone the n-word or not doesn't give anyone the right to assault someone.

 

[HornsRuleU]

If nothing his draft stock will drop like a rock.

Jerry Jones will have no problem with him. He might see it as an opportunity. Better value.

 

[HornsRuleU]

She actually waved him over, but that doesn't mean he had to take her up on her offer. But that's the answer to your question.

"Waved him over" and "take her up on her offer" is putting it way too nicely IMO.

Her rapid finger movements were telling him to get his butt over to the table. Where I come from, anyway, that hand motion means, "Get over here, son!"

Why he did so, and why he hangs around when she turns her back to him? Unknown to this operator.

 

[TexExSpur]

What little respect I still had for Stoops ability to win games and run a program went out the window yesterday! F@*k Bob Stoops!!!

 

[TexasRoc]

Well both felt entitled right? Her push which made him thrust his head towards her as if that was supposed to scare her into the fetal position because he's a big man. Right? Then walk out like nothing would ever happen. You must feel entitled to have no sense of repercussions.

Your last sentence is written out of anger or fristration, because it makes no sense. I said I would kill someone for doing what he did, thats called a repercussion. You seem upset that I also she has been enabled and has a sense of entitlement. My statement about her has nothing to do with how I feel about him. But I'll say it again, she wouldn't have slapped a female.