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Major Big 12 votes loom, says OU president David Boren

11:15 PM ET

Jake TrotterESPN Staff Writer

Two weeks ago, Big 12 presidents and chancellors agreed to at least consider the ideas of expansion, a championship game and a conference network.

According to Oklahoma president David Boren, a vote on all three could happen as soon as this summer.

Boren told The Oklahoman on Tuesday that Big 12 leaders have agreed to make a decision on the agenda he has championed, which has centered on implementing a conference championship game, expanding back to 12 members and forming a conference network.

OU president David Boren told The Oklahoman that the Big 12 "cannot indefinitely postpone decisions." AP Photo/Sue Ogrocki

"We're in a fact-finding mode, we're in a data-gathering mode," Boren said. "In other words, what will it mean to the stability of the conference? What will it mean financially to the conference?

"We've sort of said to ourselves: Come this summer, we're going to have to finally make a decision about what we do. We cannot indefinitely postpone decisions. That's what I had gotten frustrated about. I thought we were spinning our wheels."

Boren has been the biggest internal critic of the Big 12, calling the conference "psychologically disadvantaged" multiple times over the last year.

He has said the only solution is expanding from 10 back to 12 members, and replacing the Longhorn Network with a conference-wide television package.

"What's good about it, I would say, no one's slammed the door shut on any possibilities," Boren said. "We're doing what we should do. We're being prudent, we're being diligent. We're reviewing all the data."

Boren's comments come just a few days after the league's presidents, chancellors and athletic directors met at the conference office in Irving, Texas. There, they agreed to allow only commissioner Bob Bowlsby to speak on behalf of the conference going forward, presumably in response to the negative comments Boren had made about the league.

"At some particular point, sort of like a family argument, is it better to do it in Applebee's or is it better to do it at home?" said Kansas State's Kirk Schulz, the Big 12 board chairman. "I think we're at a point that we decided that when we have the family argument, we're going to do it at home with the door shut."

Boren declined to do any interviews at the conference office. But Tuesday, while visiting the Oklahoman newsroom, he was publicly weighing in on the future of the Big 12 again.

"It's a good time to act," Boren told the paper. "Let's don't wait until we have a crisis or we're about to lose a member or two. We're stable right now, we like each other. Most people in the Big 12 want to stay in the Big 12. It's the right time to make progress."
 
I used to hate arky when they were in the SWC. But, I think they would be the best addition. They are decent in all major sports and are a geographic fit. Travel cost savings are good in times like these. If the B12 can't land the premier school of a given state then I would think twice. We have enough secondary schools in our conference. Compare the SEC/Big10: The SEC has only 4 of its 14 schools that are not the prominent state school(a&m,vandy,miss st,auburn) while the B1G also has 4 of its 14 schools (purdue,rutgers,northwestern,mich state). Let's look at the Big 12: 6 of our 10 schools are not the main state school-tx tech,baylor,tcu,okie lite,k-state,iowa st. I am not saying that Memphis/Cincy or the like are deal breakers, but, they should just think twice.
 
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I'd love to bring in the piggies, but this conference isn't pulling anyone away from the SEC. This conference isn't going to poach any other P5 school either.

None of the realistic options for expansion are appealing (BYU would be the closest thing, but the no sports on Sundays problem appears to be a dealbreaker). Any school this conference can land will only diminish its average strength. I'd rather see it blown up entirely than to add more schools with small to practically nonexistent fan bases (Cincy, UCF, USF, etc.).
 
I'd love to bring in the piggies, but this conference isn't pulling anyone away from the SEC. This conference isn't going to poach any other P5 school either.

None of the realistic options for expansion are appealing (BYU would be the closest thing, but the no sports on Sundays problem appears to be a dealbreaker). Any school this conference can land will only diminish its average strength. I'd rather see it blown up entirely than to add more schools with small to practically nonexistent fan bases (Cincy, UCF, USF, etc.).
I think you are right, but, there may be a small chance. The right salesman could convince Arky that they could be relevant again and they would get to play more games in Texas and have more exposure to prime recruits. Having said that, I have no clue as to any iron clad contracts the SEC may have with them.
 
I think you are right, but, there may be a small chance. The right salesman could convince Arky that they could be relevant again and they would get to play more games in Texas and have more exposure to prime recruits. Having said that, I have no clue as to any iron clad contracts the SEC may have with them.
There's not even a GOR in that conference and there is zero chance of anyone leaving. Pipe dream. We need to be planning out exit as OU is so publicly doing
 
I think you are right, but, there may be a small chance. The right salesman could convince Arky that they could be relevant again and they would get to play more games in Texas and have more exposure to prime recruits. Having said that, I have no clue as to any iron clad contracts the SEC may have with them.


Problem is we don't have the right salesman.

We need Jerry Jones. Not for the Arky ties. But because that dude just worked his own angle on the LA deal. Apparently he pretty much always talks his way in to getting what he wants. In a room full of NFL egos and billionaires. I want that guy selling Arky to come to BigXII.

Not only do we not have a quality pitch man, but no one at all is currently making a pitch to other teams about what BigXII can offer. And you are right, we can offer Arky something. Boren is correct that we need to be proactive.
 
A few thoughts:

1) The Big XII conference is stable. The talk about instability is a complete okie lie. All 10 schools signed away their tv rights to the conference until 2025. Nobody's going anywhere. I hate liars. And Boren is a proven one. STFU about nonexistent instability.

2) This is ALL about taking away the big third tier money UT has earned for itself with TLN. blowu voted down the idea of a conference network when it came up years ago. They voted no. They didn't think UT could pull off what we did. Now they want a do-over. Sorry, chumps.

3) How are we "psychologically disadvantaged"? blowu just got into the playoffs with a loss on their record. The Big XII is just fine where it's positioned. Another Boren lie.

4) We add some American Athletic Conference teams like Cincinatti or South Florida or some shit we'll just be splitting up the pie into smaller pieces. Real smart, dumbass okies.

5) Boren doesn't like being told to sit down in the corner. There is no immediate need to "act" aside from your ego needing to be massaged.

In conclusion, STFU you fat queen David Boren.
 
A few thoughts:

1) The Big XII conference is stable. The talk about instability is a complete okie lie. All 10 schools signed away their tv rights to the conference until 2025. Nobody's going anywhere. I hate liars. And Boren is a proven one. STFU about nonexistent instability.

2) This is ALL about taking away the big third tier money UT has earned for itself with TLN. blowu voted down the idea of a conference network when it came up years ago. They voted no. They didn't think UT could pull off what we did. Now they want a do-over. Sorry, chumps.

3) How are we "psychologically disadvantaged"? blowu just got into the playoffs with a loss on their record. The Big XII is just fine where it's positioned. Another Boren lie.

4) We add some American Athletic Conference teams like Cincinatti or South Florida or some shit we'll just be splitting up the pie into smaller pieces. Real smart, dumbass okies.

5) Boren doesn't like being told to sit down in the corner. There is no immediate need to "act" aside from your ego needing to be massaged.

In conclusion, STFU you fat queen David Boren.
Boren was a stupid, lazy fat **** as a politician and he's still a stupid, lazy fat **** as a university president. Wish I could rec Sholz's post 1000x.
 
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Ego. And Boren is more of an AD than a President. I guess that's the same thing up there.
 
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Agreed...

I'm a University of Tulsa alum, but a native Oklahoman with many family ties to the ole Longhorns.

Personally, I don't see the value in expanding unless there is an overwhelming increase in $$.

So far, the only carbon-based organisms (other than unversities that are begging to "get in) is Boren and his lap dog Gee.

It's bizzare to me that Boren is continually commenting to the media about this issue...it's almost like he's not getting what he wants...consequently, his "last resort" is to be vocal to the press.
 
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Agreed...

I'm a University of Tulsa alum, but a native Oklahoman with many family ties to the ole Longhorns.

Personally, I don't see the value in expanding unless there is an overwhelming increase in $$.

So far, the only carbon-based organisms (other than unversities that are begging to "get in) is Boren and his lap dog Gee.

It's bizzare to me that Boren is continually commenting to the media about this issue...it's almost like he's not getting what he wants...consequently, his "last resort" is to be vocal to the press.

I can see that where the TV $ don't make cents almost regardless of what team/cities are added.

But at the end of the day, with no expansion the BigXII is doomed to disband eventually. And if that happens, everyone loses.
 
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Big 12 isn't going anywhere. Even if Texas and Oklahoma eventually leave, the rest of the Big 12 will do just fine.

Lets say Texas and Oklahoma eventually leave, you still have a lot of good football to uphold the conference. Add in Houston and SMU plus a couple of other teams like Cinci and Memphis and it is a fantastic basketball conference with some good football. Of course it will also lose it's status as a P5 football conference but there would still be enough solid programs to really make the conference really good.

I personally think Texas is destined for the B1G or straight up independence. I'm actually leaning towards Texas going independent. It can then keep Oklahoma and a few Texas schools, and in a yearly game with Notre Dame and possibly a few old rivalries like Arkansas and the East Texas assholes.

Then the LHN would become a much more fun channel to watch because there would be no one to stop them from putting on High School games, or programming games like UTEP or UTSA for added programming.
 
Still think BYU will be the first team to join the BigXII. Followed by somebody like Cincinatti._

Guessing that Louisville ship has sailed in regards to joining.


Don't want Houston, has nothing to do with their current football prowess...bring in SMU, once in the conference their talent level will rise along with competitive play given approx 4years.
 
There's nothing for the conference to gain in bringing in additional Texas schools. They add no new TV markets, and they would just mean more in-state P5 schools fighting for Texas HS talent.

All of the realistic expansion options suck, but if the conference is going to do it, it needs to add members where we have no TV market presence.
 
There's nothing for the conference to gain in bringing in additional Texas schools. They add no new TV markets, and they would just mean more in-state P5 schools fighting for Texas HS talent.

All of the realistic expansion options suck, but if the conference is going to do it, it needs to add members where we have no TV market presence.

Actually if Texas leaves then there is a lot of incentive to add more Texas schools.

1. It would open things up for the conference to get it's own channel and they would need a bulk of other Texas schools to make up for the loss in TV rating by losing Texas.

2. Without Texas and likely Oklahoma there would be a need to shorten travel and by adding a bunch of Texas schools you get shorter travel.
 
A few thoughts:
1) The Big XII conference is stable. The talk about instability is a complete okie lie. All 10 schools signed away their tv rights to the conference until 2025. Nobody's going anywhere. I hate liars. And Boren is a proven one. STFU about nonexistent instability.
5) Boren doesn't like being told to sit down in the corner. There is no immediate need to "act" aside from your ego needing to be massaged.
The stability of the conference is at this point just a perspective. It's stable, until it isn't. But the perception of the lack of stability of the conference is not an Okie thing. The vast, vast majority of the media has stated that the Big Twelve is the least stable of all conferences. Heck, Big Twelve Commissioner Bowlsby stated immediately after the RRS (yes, we got our asses kicked :)) that without a championship game, without a conference network, and without additional teams, the Big Twelve is at a disadvantage to the rest of the conferences. You cannot stay disadvantaged for very long before you become unstable. If Boren is lying, Bowlsby's lying as well.

3) How are we "psychologically disadvantaged"? blowu just got into the playoffs with a loss on their record. The Big XII is just fine where it's positioned. Another Boren lie.
Last year at this time, you very wisely said not to rush to judgment about Baylor and TCU being left out of the new 4-team playoffs. You stated in one of our discussions that one year is not enough of a statistical amount of time to determine if this was a pattern or a fluke (I'm paraphrasing here). I'd say that there's still insignificant mount of data. There's no telling if OU's entrance into the playoffs was just a fluke, or if that's proof there's no disadvantage. It's kind of like saying "There can't be global warming, I'm cold right now." One of the stated disadvantages the committee has shared over and over again is the "13th data point", or championship game. The Big Twelve has wisely put themselves in a position to have a CCG if desired, although my personal belief is that it would do more harm than good on a consistent basis, and that the 13th data point would be written off as just an inevitable second game between two teams, whereas the other conference championship games may not be. But it has taken care of one of the three things the conference commissioner stated was a disadvantage. Once again, that's not a Boren position...that's a stated position by the Big Twelve commissioner.

4) We add some American Athletic Conference teams like Cincinatti or South Florida or some shit we'll just be splitting up the pie into smaller pieces. Real smart, dumbass okies.
I agree whole heartedly. Cincinnati is the only real viable option of those listed, and it's probably still be a step backwards, and probably not feasible at this point. If the Big Twelve is going to add more teams effectively, it must raid a Power Five conference not named the SEC or Big Ten to do so. I'd submit (solely based on the word of people I trust) that Miami and Florida State were at one point were at least intrigued at the idea of leaving the ACC and joining the Big Twelve. Or maybe pilfer the Arizona schools from the PAC 12. But USF, Houston, SMU...why not just add A&M Consolidated High School in College Station. There'd be little difference.

Thoughts?
 
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Disagree wholeheartedly about the stability thing. Bowlsby is a full blown retard btw. Wouldn't quote him too much. The conference was unstable until the grant of media rights agreement. Now nobody's going anywhere until 2025 unless they want to leave their tv money behind. Which they won't. The Big XII being unstable thing is a zombie lie, it simply won't die despite reality.

The Big XII commissioner had our motto as "One True Champion" when he was naming co-champs every year. Again, he's an idiot. Personally I still think the Big XII provides the easiest path to the playoffs without an extra chance at a loss against a good team at the end of the year. As long as your dumbass commissioner will name a conference champ and as long as you don't play the sisters of the poor OOC like Baylor (the two problems the first year in my estimation).

I don't think adding teams is smart unless they can significantly increase the tv footprint. Otherwise, you're taking a smaller share of the same pool of money. I'd be fine with BYU but not sure that would work. I just don't see the need to expand personally. And the $EC folks are ruing their expansion to 14 right now. They're saying that's too much. I'm fine where we are but that's obviously above my pay grade.
 
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Disagree wholeheartedly about the stability thing. Bowlsby is a full blown retard btw. Wouldn't quote him too much. The conference was unstable until the grant of media rights agreement. Now nobody's going anywhere until 2025 unless they want to leave their tv money behind. Which they won't. The Big XII being unstable thing is a zombie lie, it simply won't die despite reality.
I'm not a lawyer, but there's a lot of talk elsewhere by people way smarter than me that the GOR isn't as iron clad as some might think. Make no mistake...if Boren even gets a whiff of a scent that the Big Ten is interested in OU, It might get tested in court. Everything he's done as our University President/AD has been with that in mind. It'd be his legacy.
 
I thought the Big 10 wasn't interested in OU without the university accreditation? AAU?
 
I thought the Big 10 wasn't interested in OU without the university accreditation? AAU?
Oh, they're probably still not, at least not wholly. And there's a lot of talk that OU was highly considered a few years ago when the Big Ten was expanding, but that we were handcuffed to OSU who was a deal breaker (along with the PAC 12). But Boren's entire academic plan has been to get AAU accreditation so he can maneuver towards the Big Ten. It's the worst kept secret in academia.
 
Sooooo...

Just for a hypothetical, if OU were to leave the conference, would OU and Texas still play each other in football? The RRS has been going on long before both teams were in the same conference, but when Texas A&M left the conference the majority of fans here were against playing A&M again.

Just curious of your opinions. No real right or wrong answers here.
 
Actually if Texas leaves then there is a lot of incentive to add more Texas schools.

1. It would open things up for the conference to get it's own channel and they would need a bulk of other Texas schools to make up for the loss in TV rating by losing Texas.

2. Without Texas and likely Oklahoma there would be a need to shorten travel and by adding a bunch of Texas schools you get shorter travel.

That's not the way it works. Overlapping markets don't bring extra money. This has been clearly demonstrated with the TV contracts over the last 5-6 years.

The reason being, a majority of the games are not national broadcasts. Most of them are actually regional broadcasts, primarily in the conference's footprint. For this reason, there is already a cap on what kind of ratings you get. (You can only get as many viewers as are available in the broadcast area.) For that reason, you need new markets to broaden the viewer base. If you already have two or three Texas teams, adding a 4th or 5th doesn't really get you any new viewers.
 
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I hate the Big 12. It needs to go away. The Texas schools should go to the Pac12, OU and OSU should go to the SEC or Big 10 and ISU, KSU, KU and WVU.....who cares?
 
... when Texas A&M left the conference the majority of fans here were against playing A&M again.
Without naming names, you're not whiny little bit#hes unlike certain other rivals, so of course we should continue the red river shootout.

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Hook 'em
 
Sooooo...Just for a hypothetical, if OU were to leave the conference...
Again, how is OU going to leave the conference when they don't own their tv rights until 2025? Just don't get how this is still a conversation.
 
Again, how is OU going to leave the conference when they don't own their tv rights until 2025? Just don't get how this is still a conversation.
Because there are bigger forces in the world than Scholz and Micco. Just because either one of us says something's not possible doesn't necessarily make it so. There are some who believe the GOR isn't as iron clad as you might believe. We'll never know unless it gets tested in court, but I think Boren might be staging that battle.
 
OK, fair enough. I just don't think that's a realistic scenario but maybe you're right. I'll go ahead and assume that the legal agreement that everyone in the conference signed is what's real.
 
Because there are bigger forces in the world than Scholz and Micco. Just because either one of us says something's not possible doesn't necessarily make it so. There are some who believe the GOR isn't as iron clad as you might believe. We'll never know unless it gets tested in court, but I think Boren might be staging that battle.

The issue is possible vs. probable. Sure, it's possible, to break the GOR. It just isn't likely. Until there is better evidence that it's likely to break a GOR, that option is off the table.
 
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