So apparently based on APR and with the help of a few dominos falling today, the Longhorns will be bowl eligible at 5-7. Well done Herman.
Bowl Eligible
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Now it appears that a few more dominos must fall, but Texas could legitimately qualify. On one hand it gives Herman extra practices with the team, on the other hand he probably wants to assemble his staff and recruit.
Need the practice. I don't care who it is. If that is the case Herman needs to retain the entire staff save strong through the bowl game. Name Gilbert the interim coach.
It's a tough call.
We need the practice, but we also need our permanent coaching staff in 2017 recruits' living rooms posthaste. Dead period starts in a little over two weeks, and we need our coaches to be hitting the road now to maximize our chances of signing a decent class this year. I'm afraid January 12 is too late for them to be making in-person contact as Texas coaches for the first time.
Then there's also the fact that the longer we wait to hire assistant coaches, the fewer of our top choices we're going to hire.
I can see either choice, but I tend to think that (1) a substantially weaker recruiting class and (2) possibly lower-quality assistant hires will hurt us more over the long-term than giving up the 16 practices.
We need the practice, but we also need our permanent coaching staff in 2017 recruits' living rooms posthaste. Dead period starts in a little over two weeks, and we need our coaches to be hitting the road now to maximize our chances of signing a decent class this year. I'm afraid January 12 is too late for them to be making in-person contact as Texas coaches for the first time.
Then there's also the fact that the longer we wait to hire assistant coaches, the fewer of our top choices we're going to hire.
I can see either choice, but I tend to think that (1) a substantially weaker recruiting class and (2) possibly lower-quality assistant hires will hurt us more over the long-term than giving up the 16 practices.
Name the current staff interim coaches, and offer them a substantial performance bonus for winning the bowl [such as 10% of their current salary]. They are under contract anyway, so it only costs if we win, and the bonus should be incentive to keep them honest with regard to putting in the work. A feather in the cap that might help with the job search and a few extra weeks of practice for the team.
In the meantime, let Herman hire who he wants and hit the recruiting trail.
Hook 'em
In the meantime, let Herman hire who he wants and hit the recruiting trail.
Hook 'em
I'm not an NCAA rules expert by any means, but I'm not sure we can both retain coaches to coach the bowl game and simultaneously have our new coaches out recruiting. I think that would run afoul of the rule on the number of coaches we can have on staff, so it's probably an either-or proposition.
Saban would probably try to call the new staff film analysts until the current staff left, but I doubt we'll be doing anything of the sort.
Ohio State was granted a waiver to exceed NCAA coaching numbers limit when it hired Urban Meyer in late November 2011.
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Until Dec first you can send out 6 institutional staff members. Dec 1-12 you can have 7 out. They can be different each day just can't exceed the total number each day.
Yes, that's exactly what I was suggesting in my reference to Saban and film analysts in my post above.
I just said that I think Texas administrators might view that as a bit too shady of a workaround for their tastes.
Very interesting. Like I said, I'm no rules expert -- looks like we wouldn't have to call them QC assistants after all. I wonder if we'll go this route.
I wonder if our inexperienced (but well-intentioned) AD could do this and not make any mistakes...?
That said, I mean, for all the bitching and moaning about how UT was mishandling things, Perrin let Coach Strong finish out the season, made a decisive move quickly after the game, and made his hire almost immediately after that. I'm not sure it would have been the decisions I would have made, but aside from some of the boosters leaking info along the way, Perrin actually did his job reasonably well if this was the move we were going to make.
That said, I mean, for all the bitching and moaning about how UT was mishandling things, Perrin let Coach Strong finish out the season, made a decisive move quickly after the game, and made his hire almost immediately after that. I'm not sure it would have been the decisions I would have made, but aside from some of the boosters leaking info along the way, Perrin actually did his job reasonably well if this was the move we were going to make.
Of course, for what it's worth, the bowl projection that I see so far would be that Texas might be in the Heart of Dallas Bowl (in the Cotton Bowl stadium) against UTSA....
Speed isn't always the best thing, If this was UPS I'd be happy, but I'm concerned that quality isn't there. It seems like we wanted Herman pretty bad since we went to such great lengths to get him, but he is a gamble with much sharper odds than I was hoping for.
Only time will tell if Texas made the right move, if he wins championships, then Perrin will go down for having done the right thing. I'd sure like to hear what Red thinks of this hire, he was pretty vocal about our last hire.
I sure as hell don't want to see Texas in this bowl game, can you imagine the impact if we lost to UTSA. That would set back moral and recruiting a full year. This team doesn't deserve another game. Let the seniors go and move forward with off season and recruiting.
NO and NO,At 5-7,a losing record with a fired coach should not be rewarded a bowl game, Just because you could fill some of a half empty stadium with a few fans is not a reason,have the coaches out recruiting,players in the weight room.
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We have played very uninspired the past 2 games. Something is up with Shane. For these reasons, I say no bowl.
If we went to a bowl game Herman and his staff wouldn't coach it. Texas would most likely name an interim coach. That's what usually happens. The reason for that being exactly what you are talking about the new staff needs to get settled and recruiting. It also means the extra practice time won't help much because the new coaches won't be running it.
Look, if you've read any of my other posts you'd know that I wasn't sure that Herman would be my first choice either. I was honestly one of the people that, until the Kansas game kind of made it almost unimaginable that we'd retain Coach Strong, was saying... is there THE GUY out there? If there is, great, go get him. If not? Maybe this isn't the year to make the switch. But everyone went on and on about how much of a circus things have been recently when it comes to UT football and Texas coaching hires. I don't necessarily think Herman was obviously the guy, but my whole point with that post was... if you were going to criticize him for the last hire being a circus, this one (at least when it comes to the actions of the administration, which is pretty much all he can control since he can't control media, social media, or boosters trying to leak or float info to have their influence) wasn't really a circus. It was pretty cut and dry. They handled Strong's exit respectfully. They chose their guy. They went out and got it done.
Is he the right guy? I don't know. But I don't know if there was a right guy or that the bigger names that got tossed around would have been sure things. Or that Herman or someone else would still have been there if they waited to go after an NFL coach and it didn't work. So... I think he, or any AD, was going to get some kind of criticism. In this case things went smoothly, and that was my whole point.
Honestly, I couldn't give a crap what Red thinks though...
I hated the circus 3 years ago as much as anyone. However just to avoid the circus you don't want to swing the pendulum too far the other way and just hire someone to avoid that circus.
The way Michigan handled the Jim Harbaugh hiring was the best I've ever seen. I'd put Alabama hiring of Saban right up there. Maybe how we handled the Mack Brown hiring also. Also remember that Deloss Dodds interviewed Gary Barnett before he interviewed Mack Brown and was set to hire him on the spot until the committee told him to hold off until they interviewed Mack.
As far as Red goes, I will say this again, he has forgotten more about how to run a program and hire coaches than most of us will ever know. He might not have handled the last hiring well, but that is because he knew what he was talking about and the rest of us acted like children. I have no problem saying I wish we would have listened to him.
Sorry...there is nothing positive with Herman going to a bowl game and losing it. Noooooooooo bowl
Agree to agree. As I said (twice), I'm not sure that I think Herman is definitely the answer (though now that it's done I'll give him a shot). I just know there has been a lot of criticism about how things have been handled, and in this case he (and whoever was influencing the decision... I mean, a lot of the boosters, maybe even Red included, seemed enamored with Herman) handled the end of Strong's time at Texas respectfully (however others want to characterize it), made a decisive move as soon as the season was over, and went and grabbed the target that they (whoever they included... clearly it wasn't JUST Perrin who wanted Herman and it wasn't just him that made the decision) decided that they wanted. That's all I'm saying. I still think that Herman '16 and Strong '13 have a lot in common, resume wise, so whether it was the right situation can be debated. We didn't lose out on anyone though. We didn't get played. Decisions played out in a way that kept all the media and booster and fan noise to a minimum, given the stature of the program.
If there were coaches of similar statures out there that were possible UT hires and we passed on them without even investigating, that's certainly something to be critical of. It would also be really, really, really easy to be critical of the situation if, say, they waited for John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin to finish their seasons, make a big play at them, and even though they might have handled things the best way possible, the coach ended up staying in the NFL... and meanwhile Herman and a few other candidates had disappeared from the board as they were snatched up by other schools.
Respectfully agree to disagree. The handling of a college football program is quite different from the NFL. He's certainly entitled to make his opinion known to Perrin, to the Texas Exes, to the Longhorn Foundation, to Fenves, etc., (and I find it really hard to imagine that he didn't talk to some/most/all of those), but so much of the way-too-public booster chaos last time had a net negative effect on the program, the perception of the job, etc., that I think that the way he probably handled it this time around (because again, he doesn't seem like someone who just wouldn't tell ANYONE his opinion) was far better. And personally I don't really care what he has to say. If it was constructive, hopefully the decision-makers listened and took it into consideration. If it was grumpy old man, hopefully they listened and placated him.
I think a bowl game with Herman as coach will generate an overreaction either way. If we lose, it was the wrong hire. If we win, we're playoff bound 2017. To have a fired Strong coach a bowl would seem to undermine Herman.
If we go to a bowl, might as well let Mack Brown be coach for one day. Didn't Barry Alvarez do that also?
Herman doesn't have any coordinators. They are not going bowling.
How many coaches get hired in late November and then coach their new team in a bowl game like 3 weeks later? I've never seen that happen. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
