CS left Herman a better than MB left him, I don't think Herman was ready for the big screen as CS wasn't either but when no ones available then what do you do? Should have caught MB BS earlier when he started falling
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Legends tend to hang around too long and schools tend to let them. Afterwards the school usually has a hole to dig out of. Not unique to Texas but it sucks. There is more talent on this team though than their was 3 years ago. That is defenitly true. This isn’t the end all be all but if they declare for the draft we will have 2 first round picks in the nfl draft. It’s been a bit since that has occurred.
I know that you don't like Mack Brown, but he's a much better coach than both Strong and Herman. I'd take another Mack Brown right now, and so would you. You would never admit that though, but Mack had what, six or seven 10+ win seasons consecutively? Think about that and where we're at today. Mack put Texas back on the map. Texas would be lucky to have another Mack Brown.
What was your take on Mack's success before and up to the Alabama NC game? Only DKR did better in the history of the program. Yes, he tailed off and should have retired a few years before he did, but Mack was damn good for Texas. You can say the same thing about Royal. He should have retired a year or two before he did as well.
Not true..MB left CS a 8-5 team. Then CS proceeded to kick just about everybody off. CS then leaves TH a 5-7 depleated team. I am not a TH fan right now but those are the facts.
Eh. Yeah Strong did kick a lot of guys off, and yeah he could of ignored some of the poor behavior and choices that were going on left those guys in place and won 7 games instead of 6, but would that really of been good for the long term health of the program? One of the reasons things didn’t end well for Mack was discipline on and off field had become a bit lax. Charlie probably made the right move. As did Herman with Holten Hill. Would of had a better shot of beating Tech with him in the lineup, but if your the HC you can’t just ignore a repeated disregard for the rules and expect to run a successful program.
I think strongs biggest mistake was Watson and not finding a juco qb when everybody...including us here knew Ash would not make it 3 games with the type of concussions he had. So many mistakes...
I think Charlie probably left Herman with more talent than Mack left Charlie. However, one thing I have had to come to accept is a lot of our current players were highly overrated when they came to Texas.
This goes all the way back to Mack's last few years. The lack of NFL draft choices prove that. We have a few good players now, but nowhere near the depth
and team talent to even come close to winning the big 12, much less contend for the playoffs.
It's easy to blame it on coaching, and I agree we don't have or have had, championship level coaching or recruiting for the last 5-6 years. Couple that with an administration that seems content with making the easy coaching hire and not dig in and do the research and find a competent coach, what you end up with are teams that struggle to win 6 games and make a Bowl game.
I think we have to keep Herman and let him make his own decisions about his assistants. It probably makes the situation worse to pressure him to bring in staff he really doesn't want. If Herman can pull it off, and that's a big if, we are looking at at least 3 years from now with very good recruiting before we are contenders.
$5 mil a year OJT for coaching is way to high, but it looks like our best option right now.
This goes all the way back to Mack's last few years. The lack of NFL draft choices prove that. We have a few good players now, but nowhere near the depth
and team talent to even come close to winning the big 12, much less contend for the playoffs.
It's easy to blame it on coaching, and I agree we don't have or have had, championship level coaching or recruiting for the last 5-6 years. Couple that with an administration that seems content with making the easy coaching hire and not dig in and do the research and find a competent coach, what you end up with are teams that struggle to win 6 games and make a Bowl game.
I think we have to keep Herman and let him make his own decisions about his assistants. It probably makes the situation worse to pressure him to bring in staff he really doesn't want. If Herman can pull it off, and that's a big if, we are looking at at least 3 years from now with very good recruiting before we are contenders.
$5 mil a year OJT for coaching is way to high, but it looks like our best option right now.
Texas has been way....way under coached since 2009.Mack quit coaching right after that Bama game.Anyone thinking Mack would have done better than Strong did wasnt paying attention. I am not defending Strong as he was just plain bad, but Mack would have been worse. Anyone doubting that consider this......For perhaps the only time in history, Texas went from appearing in a national championship game( a game I think we would have won easily had Colt stayed in the game) to a LOSING record the next year.
So for those keeping score at home....Mack sucked...Strong sucked..and Herman to this point has become part of the trend.
So for those keeping score at home....Mack sucked...Strong sucked..and Herman to this point has become part of the trend.
Yeah I agree. Watson is what ultimately did Charlie in and Herman is dangerously close to making the same mistake.
They did want Golhston to transfer in Kelly blocked it. So it certainly wasn’t lack of trying at the QB spot. Sometimes you just have to get lucky more than anything else.
Bottom line: you were not able to get a proven coach that was a good fit immediately after Mack. Whether they didn't want to follow a perceived legend or they didn't think the job was worth all the hassle, Strong was the best you could do at that point. I think Charlie might have kept some of those players around if he had thought the result would have been what it was. As far as Herman goes, completely different in my eyes. His expectations should have been lowered a bit by Strong, plus he is one coach removed from Mack. I think some of the rash criticism of TH this early is exactly why this job has been devalued a little. I know Texas will win big again at some point, but some of you might need to pump the brakes and at least give this guy TWO years before calling for his head. I say this because we have absolutely ZERO coaching issues in Aggieland right now. HAHA
Not true. Strong left Herman a better team than what Strong received from MB. Strong never had a season Jefferson, Connor, Vahe, Hill, Elliott, Ford and an AA punter
Strong had Malcom Brown, Diggs, Jeffcoat, Hicks, Reed, and a better field goal kicker. Strong had just as much talent to work with. I actually think the teams are pretty similar. Veteran defense with a lot of talent, bad QB play, and a bad o line. I think it's a push.
Not a push. Herman has a better overall team. Malcom Brown was a beast but Ford is better, pound for pound. Elliott is a bigger physical better playerror than Diggs. Malik trumps Hicks but Hicks a bad dude. Jeffcoat was good but Hughes is good as well. Reed was good but the long hair old school dude is better and you can throw in Roach as well. Who trumps Hill or Boyd. The receiving unit is better now with Johnson. FG kicker was better then, no doubt. Ash was better than what we have but got hurt VERY early. RB unit was better back then but you still have your best RB not even being used at all this season and we seen what he can do but yet we are looking at Freakin Porter. LB unit is better this year with Wheeler and Johnson. We still have Bonney (uggh)
I agree. It’s not that your players are overrated, it’s that they’re undercoached. All your players for the most part were being offered by other big schools.
Bell....I feel sorry for you, I really do. We have been shitty for so long it isnt even fun to make fun of us anymore.Sorry we have made football so boring for you these days. Sadly, it appears that it will only get worse. Do you happen to have John Blake's phone number?
Its not just football. Basketball and baseball can't get over the hump either. Is there something embedded in the athletic department culture that is making athletes not develop?
One of the things I have noticed at TCU with improvements across the board in most all sports is their Strength and conditioning programs in the off-season which Texas should take notice.If an oline cannot make one or two yards on a play this is where it starts.
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