Calling all Doctors on OrangeBloods

[Belldozer1]

Here’s @clob94 getting his covid test
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-injured-fight-little-brother-Zoo-Miami.html

 

[hookem365]

That assumes that all infections are diagnosed.

I was pointing out the significant error in the math.

Plus, there are some that are eager to take the clob94's case and justification for undermining the severity of what many many are facing.
Wanted to point out that significant numbers are affected badly.

 

[clob94]

I was pointing out the significant error in the math.

Plus, there are some that are eager to take the clob94's case and justification for undermining the severity of what many many are facing.
Wanted to point out that significant numbers are affected badly.

Just so we are clear--- I was asking for medical physicians to weigh in so we all had educated and informed individuals with experience in the field of medicine that could perhaps shed some light on what one physician called "a never before heard of" case.

 

[hookem365]

Just so we are clear--- I was asking for medical physicians to weigh in so we all had educated and informed individuals with experience in the field of medicine that could perhaps shed some light on what one physician called "a never before heard of" case.

Sorry, I am not a physician.
I would not take that comment from your physician literally. That is dependent on how many cases that physician has seen or heard of. This is all still new and still being understood.

If you really want answers to your questions, why don't you get a second or third opinion? Will have better responses that those on this forum.

 

[clob94]

I am scheduled to have more blood work done this week-- and I just got my results friday-- and posted here yesterday (saturday)-- so in the interim of the weekend, I thought I'd ask any doctors on here if they had seen similar results.

The doctor that tested me works regularly with the University of Texas Health Science Center and is an ex-military doctor that practiced at Bethesda. She also has been published while working in conjunction with the CDC. In short, she's people that knows people-- were it a General practitioner that was 80 years old and never left Webb county-- I'd 100% agree with you. I jus figured is ask on here because I know there's a couple of docs that check in here from time to time.

 

[Belldozer1]

I’ll say this, under no circumstance will I ever voluntarily test for Covid etc. due to the simple fact that now these docs are claiming the virus can cause other damage to your body down the road. Anyone thinking insurance companies don’t put a Mark by your name and identify you as pre existing conditions even though they claim they don’t is asking for trouble with their insurance coverage imo.

 

[Hoookem722]

I’ll say this, under no circumstance will I ever voluntarily test for Covid etc. due to the simple fact that now these docs are claiming the virus can cause other damage to your body down the road. Anyone thinking insurance companies don’t put a Mark by your name and identify you as pre existing conditions even though they claim they don’t is asking for trouble with their insurance coverage imo.

That’s a good point and one I haven’t really thought much about. The thing that gets me is I’ve been hearing a lot of stories of people getting tested and having no symptoms and the test comes back positive and then testing again a day or 2 later and getting a negative result. I’m very skeptical of all the numbers being thrown at us.

 

[oldhorn2]

I’ll say this, under no circumstance will I ever voluntarily test for Covid etc. due to the simple fact that now these docs are claiming the virus can cause other damage to your body down the road. Anyone thinking insurance companies don’t put a Mark by your name and identify you as pre existing conditions even though they claim they don’t is asking for trouble with their insurance coverage imo.

Wow Bell!....a very lucid point. Good on you. I guess those Paycheck records are not as damaging as I first assumed.

 

[oldhorn2]

Now I hear there is a new symptom arising out of Covid 19....Covid toes!...….....

My God! First they give us "toelio"....if it spreads to Kneesles you better pray to God they find a cure before you develop "smallcox"

 

[ChrisLonghorn84]

I didn’t think health insurance companies could deny you coverage or raise rates due to pre-existing conditions. Wasn’t that apart of the ACA? I did a quick search and that appears to be the case. Maybe I am wrong.

 

[TX1972]

Wow Bell!....a very lucid point. Good on you. I guess those Paycheck records are not as damaging as I first assumed.

Johnny Paycheck worked at the Dallas fed for a while, 80s or 90s. Bob McTeer mentioned him in a speech I attended.

 

[DHHorn]

That’s a good point and one I haven’t really thought much about. The thing that gets me is I’ve been hearing a lot of stories of people getting tested and having no symptoms and the test comes back positive and then testing again a day or 2 later and getting a negative result. I’m very skeptical of all the numbers being thrown at us.

The thing about the tests is that they have to find tiny viral particles out of all the other "trash" that gets collected on the swab. Your nose is full of bacteria, mold spores, viruses, and other microbes that make it hard for the test to find what it is looking for. Basically the PCR test is looking for the genetic material of the virus kind of like DNA. When you have millions of other microbes all with different genetic material the test has to scan through all that other stuff to find what is is looking for. So if there is a low concentration the chances of the test missing some particles are greater. That is why results are relayed as "Not Found" instead of negative. There is no such thing as negative, it just means that the test was not able to find what it was looking for. I'm not sure of the sensitivity of the different tests they have out there but I think they vary and the lower the viral load the harder it is for the test to find it.

 

[Hoookem722]

The thing about the tests is that they have to find tiny viral particles out of all the other "trash" that gets collected on the swab. Your nose is full of bacteria, mold spores, viruses, and other microbes that make it hard for the test to find what it is looking for. Basically the PCR test is looking for the genetic material of the virus kind of like DNA. When you have millions of other microbes all with different genetic material the test has to scan through all that other stuff to find what is is looking for. So if there is a low concentration the chances of the test missing some particles are greater. That is why results are relayed as "Not Found" instead of negative. There is no such thing as negative, it just means that the test was not able to find what it was looking for. I'm not sure of the sensitivity of the different tests they have out there but I think they vary and the lower the viral load the harder it is for the test to find it.

So if someone doesn’t have any virus particles wouldn’t that be considered negative? I’m confused as to how there is no such thing as a negative test?

 

[Belldozer1]

I didn’t think health insurance companies could deny you coverage or raise rates due to pre-existing conditions. Wasn’t that apart of the ACA? I did a quick search and that appears to be the case. Maybe I am wrong.

I highly doubt they are going to come out and tell you why they would deny you or raise your rates but rest assured they’re keeping a list and checking it twice, no way they want to pay out across the board and will do everything they can to avoid it. I somehow feel that by declaring this a pandemic they’ve gotten into bed with the insurance companies, to the insurance and doctor’s benefit.

 

[Belldozer1]

I sometimes wonder if me living in a double wide all these years has actually made my immune system stronger, perhaps breathing all of the asbestos particles has coated my lungs making them inpenetrable by the covid?

 

[Belldozer1]

Dallas County update - 4 died Saturday. All with pre-existing health conditions. Down from 6 deaths on Friday - a 33% decrease. Headed in the right direction? Not according to the Dallas Morning News - Headline was 9th straight day of 1000+ cases.

Exactly. We can’t report any optimism apparently

 

[Texas008]

I am scheduled to have more blood work done this week-- and I just got my results Friday-- and posted here yesterday (Saturday)-- so in the interim of the weekend, I thought I'd ask any doctors on here if they had seen similar results.

The doctor that tested me works regularly with the University of Texas Health Science Center and is an ex-military doctor that practiced at Bethesda. She also has been published while working in conjunction with the CDC. In short, she's people that knows people-- were it a General practitioner that was 80 years old and never left Webb county-- I'd 100% agree with you. I just figured is ask on here because I know there's a couple of docs that check in here from time to time.

Clob,

My son's best friend since High School is a doctor, Dr Pat Coates, who has successfully treated many Cases of Caronavirus, in fact, he has become the de facto, specialist for Caronavirus in the North Texas/Dallas area and he now has a weekly radio show on KAAM 770 AM at 1:30 PM on Monday afternoons.

He successfully treats his Caronavirus patients with Hydroxychloroquine, I know, because that is what he prescribed for my son, when we thought he might have it, several months ago!

 

[DHHorn]

So if someone doesn’t have any virus particles wouldn’t that be considered negative? I’m confused as to how there is no such thing as a negative test?

I'm not a doctor or a scientist but I understand it as that you can't prove a negative. Basically you can't prove that there are no particles, just that the test did not detect any because it may have not been sensitive enough. No matter how much you test there is still a chance that the test missed something. For all practical purposes it's negative. Maybe someone on the board can explain it better or correct me if needed.

 

[Hoookem722]

My point is this tho

I'm not a doctor or a scientist but I understand it as that you can't prove a negative. Basically you can't prove that there are no particles, just that the test did not detect any because it may have not been sensitive enough. No matter how much you test there is still a chance that the test missed something. For all practical purposes it's negative. Maybe someone on the board can explain it better or correct me if needed.

I still think it’s weird how someone can test positive one day and the next day it be inconclusive is what I’ll call it. This happened to Joey Gallo, he plays for the Texas Rangers.

I have also read some stories about people who go to get tested, then fill out their paperwork but get tired of waiting so they leave. They get a letter in the mail a week later saying they were positive for CoVID even though they never got tested, just filled out the paperwork.

 

[DHHorn]

My point is this tho

I still think it’s weird how someone can test positive one day and the next day it be inconclusive is what I’ll call it. This happened to Joey Gallo, he plays for the Texas Rangers.

I have also read some stories about people who go to get tested, then fill out their paperwork but get tired of waiting so they leave. They get a letter in the mail a week later saying they were positive for CoVID even though they never got tested, just filled out the paperwork.

Sounds like bad record keeping. I'm not surprised.

 

[hookem365]

That is 1.24%.
I sincerely hope that this was either this was an inadvertent mistake...unless of course, you are not a UT grad.

I am glad that the OP is healthy and not affected badly by the virus. I know (directly or through 1 degree of separation) 12 people who have contracted the virus. 2 died (neither had significant preexisting conditions. 1 was over 65. 1 was 42.) . 1 was on a ventilator for over a month and is still struggling with the recovery. 2 were hospitalized for 3 weeks and recovered well. 2 suffered badly at home for a week with a loss of taste and other flu symptoms. The rest had very mild symptoms.
So, my experience is very different from what the OP described.

The OP should be thankful that it was not worse.

Our friend's dad died due to covid and her mom is also showing symptoms. Make that 13 cases we know of around the US. 3 dead.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I’ll say this, under no circumstance will I ever voluntarily test for Covid etc. due to the simple fact that now these docs are claiming the virus can cause other damage to your body down the road. Anyone thinking insurance companies don’t put a Mark by your name and identify you as pre existing conditions even though they claim they don’t is asking for trouble with their insurance coverage imo.

I don't know what is more impressive. The great point you make, or the fact you are a sooner and you came up with a great point.

 

[RoboCocks21]

My wife works in the field and it doesnt matter how old or young you are, you can get covid. It's not a joke and you can be the healthiest person with no health conditions and still die from covid. There is another wave already here and the ERs are packed. Go test the waters and go to a busy hospital and go find out for yourselves. Be safe out there or not but covid is not a joke.

 

[Belldozer1]

My wife works in the field and it doesnt matter how old or young you are, you can get covid. It's not a joke and you can be the healthiest person with no health conditions and still die from covid. There is another wave already here and the ERs are packed. Go test the waters and go to a busy hospital and go find out for yourselves. Be safe out there or not but covid is not a joke.

Well sounds like what I’ve come to expect a revolving perpetual shutdown of the country.