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Congragulations guys. I think Chuck Strong is getting it turned around and in the process of saving his job. No way he gets fired if he finishes 8-4.
 
Congragulations guys. I think Chuck Strong is getting it turned around and in the process of saving his job. No way he gets fired if he finishes 8-4.
They just beat a 4-4 team with no defense or running game. Beat WVU and that equals Strong's best win streak from year one, 3 games and then they can best that with a win at Kansas and then finish it off with a HOME win against HATED Gary Patterson and TCU. Patterson has kinda belittled Charlie his time at Texas by kicking his butt and making some comments about beating better with less... If they beat WVU, I think some how he will have eked out a solid chance, BUT they gotta beat a balanced WVU offense with a good defense.
 
Defense is improving. Questionable coaching decisions remain. Penalties remain. Turnovers remain. Difficulty lining up in a defense after a time out continues.
I know the stat line says we turned it over twice yesterday. The Foreman fumble was questionable at best. The porter fumble should of been blown dead without question. So I think from that stand point we played a pretty good ball game.

What I'm more concerned about are the dropped passes which again was an issue and the penalties. One big penalty took a TD off the board and led to Foreman "fumble". Players gotta play smarter.
 
I know the stat line says we turned it over twice yesterday. The Foreman fumble was questionable at best. The porter fumble should of been blown dead without question. So I think from that stand point we played a pretty good ball game.

What I'm more concerned about are the dropped passes which again was an issue and the penalties. One big penalty took a TD off the board and led to Foreman "fumble". Players gotta play smarter.

Yep.... the one thing that I am always amazed by is the weird things that happen in Lubbock when we play Tech. I still believe the ball crossed the goal line first on Foreman's TD/fumble. And then there was the disputed "catch" by a TT player that was ruled incomplete by the official standing right by it but overturned by refs with outstanding distance vision. It was a good thing that there was instant replay for that.
 
I'm still trying to figure out what's the deal on the other RB's. Need another to step up and play because Porter hasn't done well so far. Not using Foreman on the 3rd and 4th down was a bad coaching decision by whoever pick it. Defense played a lot better. Need to use the TE's more. We are trending in the right direction but this weekend coming will be telling
 
I know the stat line says we turned it over twice yesterday. The Foreman fumble was questionable at best. The porter fumble should of been blown dead without question. So I think from that stand point we played a pretty good ball game.

What I'm more concerned about are the dropped passes which again was an issue and the penalties. One big penalty took a TD off the board and led to Foreman "fumble". Players gotta play smarter.
I believe the ball was across the goal line and Porter's forward progress had been stopped. Unfortunately, we have to go with the calls on the field.
 
I believe the ball was across the goal line and Porter's forward progress had been stopped. Unfortunately, we have to go with the calls on the field.
Agree but not gonna get on the players or coaches to hard when the officials are more responsible for turnover than players.

The chopblovk that took the Swoops TD pass off the board is of bigger concern imo
 
Agree but not gonna get on the players or coaches to hard when the officials are more responsible for turnover than players.

The chopblovk that took the Swoops TD pass off the board is of bigger concern imo

A penalty is bad....no doubt........a TURNOVER is a magnitude of a million worse. So you are saying the a penalty greater than a turnover? I am not sure how you can even argue that to be honest. They are not close.

Texas had 9 penalties. You actually think those 9 penalties are worse than turning the ball over 9 times? You are not even saying equal to you are saying bigger concern. I disagree and I can't see why you would even suggest that.
 
A penalty is bad....no doubt........a TURNOVER is a magnitude of a million worse. So you are saying the a penalty greater than a turnover? I am not sure how you can even argue that to be honest. They are not close.

Texas had 9 penalties. You actually think those 9 penalties are worse than turning the ball over 9 times? You are not even saying equal to you are saying bigger concern. I disagree and I can't see why you would even suggest that.
In this case yes the penalty is worse than the turnover. For several reasons.

Look turnovers happen from time to time. I know we say "you can't turn the ball over" but it happens. Questionable calls by the refs like yesterday or just great plays by the defense. When you commit a penalty like that though it's 100% preventable, and not only did you take points off the board a mistake like that usually leads to another mistake like we saw yesterday. So yes in THIS case I'm more worried about the penalty than I am the turnover that probably wasn't and came as result of the penalty.
 
In this case yes the penalty is worse than the turnover. For several reasons.

Look turnovers happen from time to time. I know we say "you can't turn the ball over" but it happens. Questionable calls by the refs like yesterday or just great plays by the defense. When you commit a penalty like that though it's 100% preventable, and not only did you take points off the board a mistake like that usually leads to another mistake like we saw yesterday. So yes in THIS case I'm more worried about the penalty than I am the turnover that probably wasn't and came as result of the penalty.
I try to see other people's opinions. I certainly don't think I know everything. You are just wrong. The penalty happened......Texas had the ball and STILL should have scored.....EXCEPT....the ball was turned over. Now you can argue whether it was a good call or not but he did not HOLD onto the ball. If he holds onto the ball and the ref calls it short they run it in the next play from the 2 inch line or get 3 from a field goal. Instead Texas Tech get 7 points. I am shocked you are holding this insane position.

Turnovers happen time to time? Penalties happen way more than turnovers..... Why aren't turnovers just as preventable as penalties? Texas had 9 penalties and WON...do you think if Texas had 9 turnovers they would have won? NOPE.

Dude I don't want to sound like a jerk to you and I am trying to be civil. Turnovers are worse than penalties no matter how bad you want them not to be. Anything that GIVES the ball to the other team is bad and much worse. I would rather have the ball with a 3rd and 50 than to give them the ball. Hell we might get a penalty from them giving us a first down.
 
swVA...what you are saying is absolutely correct. I cant look at the 2 fumbles as normal type fumbles because the runner in both cases was ingulfed by the Defense guys with no hope for escape and thus 2 or 3 enemy guys simply pried the ball out. Someone would have to be unbelievably strong to hold on when one guy is lifting his arm and the other is yanking at the ball. In Foremans case he kept moving the pile so all those guys had to be there and the ref couldnt blow the whistle. In Porter's case, it looked to me like they were holding him up so he COULDNT go down long enough to get the ball out.

The mystifying thing to me is that the Tech guy could be standing 3 feet inside the end zone and be able to reach ACCROSS the goal line to get the ball out before it broke the plane......
 
You are arguing with yourself here. I'm not arguing penalties are worse than turnovers and vice versa. What I am arguing is that the penalty took a TD off the board and led to a turnover. When a penalty takes points off the board it's basically a turnover and imo worse because it's preventable.

Turnovers sometimes are out of players control likecthectwo yesterday.
 
The same guys are committing the same penalties game after game. We continue to give the ball to the other team and they score off turnovers each week. It's really hard to win when you do either, much less both.
 
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You are arguing with yourself here. I'm not arguing penalties are worse than turnovers and vice versa. What I am arguing is that the penalty took a TD off the board and led to a turnover. When a penalty takes points off the board it's basically a turnover and imo worse because it's preventable.

Turnovers sometimes are out of players control likecthectwo yesterday.
Turnovers do happen time to time, 13 times in 9 games - 6 lost fumbles and 7 intercepted passes. We are giving away 1.44 turnovers per game this year.
 
Beating a 4-4 team should be expected at Texas not some huge celebration. Lets slam the brakes and not get carried away. This is getting ridiculous. I did like some things I saw yesterday.

Well Im certain I saw one thing yesterday. We have had a mediocre secondary all season. And what no one wants to mention is that even after that fourth down attempt failed our secondary came through when it mattered most. Kris Boyd got in front of that receiver and made the pic. And that was against a good qb. A qb who just had a phenomenal game against OK two weeks ago. And he didn't have near as good a game against us.

The two best things. One, our secondary made it's biggest play of the year to win that game. Two, after that fluky steal the ball and run it 100 yards the other way for a td. The last two years the Texas Longhorns would have let a play like that deflate them. This time we didn't. Look I know we didn't beat the New England Patriots yesterday but with the way we won the game maybe it's a sign that we are headed in the right direction.
 
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Turnovers do happen time to time, 13 times in 9 games - 6 lost fumbles and 7 intercepted passes. We are giving away 1.44 turnovers per game this year.

Well maybe that's because on offense our players and coaches are still working on getting on the same page. I see an offense built around D'Onta Foreman and it seems to like were still taking applications as to who the top 4 receivers are going to be. They're all playing good it's just that the rotation hasn't been established yet.
 
A penalty is bad....no doubt........a TURNOVER is a magnitude of a million worse. So you are saying the a penalty greater than a turnover? I am not sure how you can even argue that to be honest. They are not close.

Texas had 9 penalties. You actually think those 9 penalties are worse than turning the ball over 9 times? You are not even saying equal to you are saying bigger concern. I disagree and I can't see why you would even suggest that.

That was a Senior cutting a head up Nose...

I mean seriously? Just plain ignorant.
 
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Well Im certain I saw one thing yesterday. We have had a mediocre secondary all season. And what no one wants to mention is that even after that fourth down attempt failed our secondary came through when it mattered most. Kris Boyd got in front of that receiver and made the pic. And that was against a good qb. A qb who just had a phenomenal game against OK two weeks ago. And he didn't have near as good a game against us.

The two best things. One, our secondary made it's biggest play of the year to win that game. Two, after that fluky steal the ball and run it 100 yards the other way for a td. The last two years the Texas Longhorns would have let a play like that deflate them. This time we didn't. Look I know we didn't beat the New England Patriots yesterday but with the way we won the game maybe it's a sign that we are headed in the right direction.
I agree about the secondary. The secondary was one of the most positive outcomes from the game. They weren't out of position so much and made some plays and coverage sacks. Another part that I liked was seeing Charlie barking at somebody on the headset. On the other side, I am not sure what the role of Breckyn is, but, it seems (IMO-correct me if I am wrong) that he isn't fast enough to be a major disrupter, nor is he heavy or big enough to require a double team. He makes several plays, but, he gets taken out of position a lot when you consider him an every down player. I love the dude and his attitude, jus as I loved watching his dad play, so, I hope maybe it is just his youth if they are to use him as an every down player or for the staff to identify his role.
 
You are arguing with yourself here. I'm not arguing penalties are worse than turnovers and vice versa. What I am arguing is that the penalty took a TD off the board and led to a turnover. When a penalty takes points off the board it's basically a turnover and imo worse because it's preventable.

Turnovers sometimes are out of players control likecthectwo yesterday.
Arguing with myself? Dude you must have just started watching or playing football in the last few months if you think a penalty is worse than a turnover. You said that by the way...not me. YOU said the penalty was worse than the turnover. YOU. NOT. ME.

Makes NO sense....you say the penalty took off points....the turnover for sure took off points. The penalty "led" to a turnover? Really? How? If he had scored would it have led to a score? Dude you are arguing nonsense. Don't blame me for your mistakes.

Turnovers according to you are out of a player's control.....but penalties are according to you in a player's control? My gosh. They are BOTH in a player's control. Can a defensive player make a great play and take the ball? Yes. Is that in a player's control? Yes. NO offensive coach will EVER say "it's ok man he was just stronger than you and took the ball, no worries"?? NOPE.
 
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On the long fumble return, did anyone else notice how freakish fast that Devin Duvernay is? If my memory serves correctly, he was lined up on the far side of the field closest to the UT bench, and had he had 1 more yard would have chased down the DB. Dude is freakish fast and I hope he gets lots of praise for the hustle to try to keep that play from happening.
 
Defense is improving. Questionable coaching decisions remain. Penalties remain. Turnovers remain. Difficulty lining up in a defense after a time out continues.
Tons of penalties on the freshmen players, Perkins was unacceptable! Overall, Charlie is proving that he is a better coach when he is hands on.

I'm ready for the Swoopes package to die/graduate.
 
They just beat a 4-4 team with no defense or running game. Beat WVU and that equals Strong's best win streak from year one, 3 games and then they can best that with a win at Kansas and then finish it off with a HOME win against HATED Gary Patterson and TCU. Patterson has kinda belittled Charlie his time at Texas by kicking his butt and making some comments about beating better with less... If they beat WVU, I think some how he will have eked out a solid chance, BUT they gotta beat a balanced WVU offense with a good defense.


Agreed. What is Charlie getting done exactly?

The answer is finishing yet another season near .500. With a surprise win or two. And some really puzzling losses.

I like Strong as a man. Like what he is building with core values and even recruiting and building a solid foundation of good young talent. I am ok if he gets a chance to now fire all his defensive staff and try to fix the D and see what all he can do with this youth.

But I am also ok if he gets fired and we bring in Herman to try to reap the rewards. For the following reasons:
1) Strong created this mess. He hired a miserable offensive and defensive staff and pretty much none of them are left. Its is his fault, no one elses.
2) The baffling way we play down to our competition. And even lose games in mind blowing ways. Like 3 blocked XPs vs OSU without the staff making a damn change (see Cal home game last yr and OSU game LAST FREAKING YEAR and special teams XPs and blocked punts costing us games). Like vs OU coming off games where we realized we play no defense, Cal/OSU and he finally makes a move to demote DC and we still don't play D. And in key moments we call a timeout near the endzone bc we were about to score and tie the game....and were running out of time on play clock....then we come out of time out and still get a delay of game. Go lose vs KSU (see ISU last year).The last 2 games putting Swoopes in at RB and taking Foreman out vs BU. And then running Swoopes repeatedly at end of TT game when he can't get 1 yd, but you know who probably could, the damn RB that is setting rushing records. Bottom line, he does enough to tease you in a few games, but he does some shockingly stupid things to lose others. And we don't dominate teams we should. EVER.
3) Bottom line, I think if he coaches next year....we are better. We show the promise that we could be. Then again, we thought that each of the past 2 seasons. End of the day, I do not think he is a championship caliber coach. I think he might get us a conf title or two, but choke away the really big games....and even a game he shouldn't here and there. I think he would do this with Bama type talent on a roster. That is just who he is.
 
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I don't think the losses have been all that puzzling this year.

Cal-First road game with a freshman QB and new offense. Not surprising they struggled. It's a game if we had to play next week we win probably but timing was bad.

Ok State-good team won at home. Not a shock
OU- 50/50 shot every year.
K State. On paper Texas and most other big 12 teams should dominate KSU. When they are at home though it's a dog fight. Give our history there a loss isn't all that shocking.

So really the cal game is the only one where i think we list a gsme we should of won. The others aren't shocking losses.
 
For me that was one of the most maddening things from the game Saturday...not as much as the Swoopes nonsense, but pretty dang close. Just no excuse for Perkins to not know that...
As a senior he has no excuse really. I am sure he is coached to know the rules.
 
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Cal-First road game with a freshman QB and new offense. Not surprising they struggled. It's a game if we had to play next week we win probably but timing was bad.
Wash-Rinse-Repeat. This has been the same thing every year. It is factual on your part, however, but it doesn't really matter. What if Sterlin Gilbert takes a HC job next year? Are we going to let another year slide because it was a new offense installation yet again? I like Strong, but, he is accountable to whatever situation confronts the football program. It isn't an easy job by any means, which is why there are only a few coveted spots like this where you earn >$5 million/year.
 
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Wash-Rinse-Repeat. This has been the same thing every year. It is factual on your part, however, but it doesn't really matter. What if Sterlin Gilbert takes a HC job next year? Are we going to let another year slide because it was a new offense installation yet again? I like Strong, but, he is accountable to whatever situation confronts the football program. It isn't an easy job by any means, which is why there are only a few coveted spots like this where you earn >$5 million/year.
Well if Strong is smart he will hire an OC that runs a similar system and won't require a huge adjustment. Plus we will have jr.s and Sr.s instead of freshman and sophs
 
I don't think the losses have been all that puzzling this year.

Cal-First road game with a freshman QB and new offense. Not surprising they struggled. It's a game if we had to play next week we win probably but timing was bad.

Ok State-good team won at home. Not a shock
OU- 50/50 shot every year.
K State. On paper Texas and most other big 12 teams should dominate KSU. When they are at home though it's a dog fight. Give our history there a loss isn't all that shocking.

So really the cal game is the only one where i think we list a gsme we should of won. The others aren't shocking losses.

Cal was the only shock because I thought after the ND game I thought we were an actually good team and Cal wasn't. We weren't a good team and neither was/is Cal for that matter.

Then once I realized that were a crappy team yeah nothing was shocking anymore. OSU dominated us btw it wasn't just a loss. Pretty much the same with KSU. The score was close but that was they executed their game plan to perfection and at no point did I think we were in that game.
 
I think that all things considered, when I see how we've played this season, I thought we played very well on Saturday. Our defense had a bad first quarter but the last 3 quarters we played very well. That putting in Malik Jefferson to shadow Mahomes worked out great for us. The longer the game went on the better he played. It's as good as I've seen Malik play since he's been here. I thought Poona Ford had one of his better games. I think Hager is great fun to watch but right now he's a one trick pony.

I really tried to watch our ol yesterday. We just pushed them around the whole game they pretty much did what they felt like doing. I'm impressed by Brandon Hodges. I think Shackelford is going to be a fine center. The kid survived his play in the ND game and I look forward to watching him mature. I saw a couple of plays where Shane dropped back to pass and the ol proved a perfect wedge for him. I'm talking NFL caliber protection. The only thing I didnt like was when Perkins and Shackelford got caught chop blocking. I groaned when I saw that one. Oh we did it and we deserved our penalty. It was a ridiculous cheap shot and it took a way a td pass. But other than that they played great. Man we've had a terrible ol for almost 10 years it feels great to see the Texas Longhorns getting back to their tradition of great ol play.

Hookem and bring on the couch burners.
 
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I wouldn't worry too much about the Chop block. It's not like we have gotten called for that every game. The Texas oline is going to be really really good next year, too bad it's doubtful Foreman will be here to enjoy it. Actually it should be one of the top 5 lines in college football next year. Barring injuries, we should be starting 5 guys that have all started at lease 3 to 4 games this year. Williams, Vahe, Shackleford, Hodges, and Nicholson. Then we are going to have some really good depth as well with guys like Denzel Okafor, Alex Anderson, Jake McMillon, Tope Imade, Buck Major, Patrick Hudson, and Jean Delance. For those counting, that is a 12 deep line.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the Chop block. It's not like we have gotten called for that every game. The Texas oline is going to be really really good next year, too bad it's doubtful Foreman will be here to enjoy it. Actually it should be one of the top 5 lines in college football next year. Barring injuries, we should be starting 5 guys that have all started at lease 3 to 4 games this year. Williams, Vahe, Shackleford, Hodges, and Nicholson. Then we are going to have some really good depth as well with guys like Denzel Okafor, Alex Anderson, Jake McMillon, Tope Imade, Buck Major, Patrick Hudson, and Jean Delance. For those counting, that is a 12 deep line.

Youre right we don't do that every game it's not just a bad play, it's a dumb play. A blind zebra could call it. I mean that play happened in front of him. And don't forget Urquidez in the ol.
 
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