Is this going to happen for us?
http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story/1626085-finishing-the-mission-clint-hurtt?s=446
http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story/1626085-finishing-the-mission-clint-hurtt?s=446
Clint Hurtt to Texas?
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This article, from February 2015, says that Hurtt's primary recruiting value would be in South Florida. Hurtt has limited experience recruiting Texas. That is less than perfect.
http://www.burntorangenation.com/fo...orns-coaching-search-jeff-traylor-clint-hurtt
http://www.burntorangenation.com/fo...orns-coaching-search-jeff-traylor-clint-hurtt
"In addition to being a no-nonsense, hard-nosed defensive football coach, Hurtt is widely considered one of the best recruiters in college football."
Sounds pretty good to me. Coach Strong has to grind out the W's, and he should hire who he needs to get it done.
Hook 'em
Sounds pretty good to me. Coach Strong has to grind out the W's, and he should hire who he needs to get it done.
Hook 'em
Hardly anything is ever "perfect." Great recruiters adapt to new settings. I would have no reservations about hiring Hurtt.
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Wouldn't Hurtt be a better fit in the SEC, since many SEC schools recruit Florida? Wouldn't we be better served in finding someone like Traylor to coach and recruit the DL? I'm not advocating for Traylor as the DL coach, but we need a DL coach with Texas ties. Royal and Brown understood this importance and were successful because of it. I like how Traylor is recruiting East Texas like a boss for 2017.
Mack's best recruiter on his first staff had never coached a day in his life within 1,000 miles of Texas before he came here with Mack.
This concern about having prior Texas ties is seriously overstated. If a coach is a great recruiter -- and Hurtt definitely is -- he'll adapt to a new setting.
This concern about having prior Texas ties is seriously overstated. If a coach is a great recruiter -- and Hurtt definitely is -- he'll adapt to a new setting.
So tired of all the focus on Florida. Why doesn't Charlie just set up a permanent office there since he values Florida recruits so much. That way next year when he gets canned he'll be set to move back there. He's got his one recruit from The Greater Houston Top 100 so I guess he's done there.
Wtf is wrong with recruiting Florida??? Did you not see the two badass true freshmen we had playing this year from that state? We recruited a stud loaded DB class, and I think Davante Davis is the cream of the crop. John Burt was already by far the best WR on the team when first stepped on campus. Hell f*ck yeah Charlie, go get me more of those guys!
Look, it's great that we have Texas as our main recruiting ground, but to limit ourselves to only players from this state would be stupid. I'll take a Florida pipeline in addition to what we have anyday. California too, for that matter. I say yeah go get the best of the best no matter where they live.
There are lots of stud DTs in the state of Texas in 2016. I think we have zero committed to us right now. If you can't recruit the top dogs in your own backyard, there is a problem. What are the odds that Texas will be successful at drawing Florida DT recruits away from the Gators, Seminoles, and the SEC?
Is it NSD yet?
So if we don't get the top dogs every year in Texas, we shouldn't even try to get them from elsewhere?
What were the odds we'd take a top DB and freak WR from those schools?
Considering 5-star Texas LB recruit Malik was the catalyst for last year's recruiting class starting in the late stages, I don't see another Malik caliber player getting things rolling for us this year.
We should always try. But, our bread is primarily buttered with Texas recruits and adding a few out-of-state difference makers. The day Texas forgets that is the day Texas recruiting stinks.
We should always try. But, our bread is primarily buttered with Texas recruits and adding a few out-of-state difference makers. The day Texas forgets that is the day Texas recruiting stinks.
I'm not sure what the odds are, although I could run a Monte Carlo simulation and find out. However, Texas batted 40%, since Texas landed 2/5 of the Florida 5.
Again, that's pretty damn good for what we got. Give me those results every single year.
Who said anything about forgetting recruiting Texas, as if that could ever happen? Of course our bread is buttered here. Doesn't mean we can't make it sweeter with some Florida honey.
Negative ghostrider. You were specifically talking about losing those recruits to those SEC schools. We only lost one to another school. Qualifying is the only reason the other two didn't make it to the 40. They were still all ours if they could've made it in.
Since it's actually 6 players from Florida, not 5, we technically had 5 of the 6 all wrapped up. Yeah one didn't work out, and two didn't qualify. We still won the recruiting battle with those Florida and SEC schools 5 out 6 times. After a losing season on top of that. Looks like pretty decent odds whenever Charlie goes after those Florida kids. Just wait til we're winning. He'll have those kids lining up on I-10 ready to head west.
Metcalf,
I'm not having a bad day, but I'm having a very bad year, just like Charlie. Looking forward to recruiting this year and what I'm seeing so far is not encouraging.
Nothing wrong with recruiting Florida. Just don't do it at the expense of disrespecting Texas High School players and coaches. I think Charlie has stepped on a few toes here and it's hurting us this year. Sure he got some good ones from Florida but the ones that changed their minds or couldn't get in left us with some depth issues.
I'm not having a bad day, but I'm having a very bad year, just like Charlie. Looking forward to recruiting this year and what I'm seeing so far is not encouraging.
Nothing wrong with recruiting Florida. Just don't do it at the expense of disrespecting Texas High School players and coaches. I think Charlie has stepped on a few toes here and it's hurting us this year. Sure he got some good ones from Florida but the ones that changed their minds or couldn't get in left us with some depth issues.
Why waste efforts on out of state non-qualifiers when Texas is stacked with recruits, especially at positions we need? My argument is this, recruit well at home first, then go abroad. Don't do the opposite. It is much riskier to hedge our bets on out of state guys before Texas players. Besides, who is in charge of ensuring the recruits qualify before wasting recruiting resources on them?
We are approximately 1 month away from NSD, in the recruiting dead period, with a new OC and OL coach, coming off a losing season, and our class is about half filled (with only four 4-star players). That's not good for any coach on any team.
We have nothing to sell but the opportunity for immediate playing time. Problem is that the big dogs in this state knows they will get immediate playing time no matter where they go.
For me the sweet spot is those high 3'star players that rivals ranks 5.7, they come in feeling slighted for not getting that 4th star and all have something to prove. Get a few more of those and I'll be happy.
For me the sweet spot is those high 3'star players that rivals ranks 5.7, they come in feeling slighted for not getting that 4th star and all have something to prove. Get a few more of those and I'll be happy.
I get to where I dont believe the star ratings....i.e....3 star Conner Williams...2 star Hager...5 star Murray....4 star Cherry....
I want football players and we got some last year regardless of the ratings....I prefer someone who can judge talent
I want football players and we got some last year regardless of the ratings....I prefer someone who can judge talent
I agree Wasatch & oldhorn. However, teams that are stocked full of mostly 4-star guys and some 5-star guys generally are in the top 5 at the end of the season. I recognize that there are exceptions or outliers. The odds are in our favor (of winning on Saturdays) if we get these caliber athletes and let Strong coach them up to NFL draft picks.
Charlie has never disrespected Txhs football players and coaches by recruiting oos. Every big program does it. This ain't YMCA football where everyone gets a trophy. Coaches understand that, and I'd say most recruits understand that as well.
Am I REALLY reading on here from some of you that it is better to take a 2 or 3 star over a 4 or 5 star? Yes there are 3 stars that work out and there are no stars that work out......but......the best teams every year get the best players. I really like our freshman class but JUST tap the brakes on making them all 5 stars because they played this year. Lets see how they develop over time first.
For every low ranked player that works out there is a LOT MORE high ranked players that are actually high ranked players and work out. The Texas staff sure offered a lot of 4 and 5 stars last year and this year.....why?........if the 3 stars they find are just as good and easier to recruit then why would Texas offer?.......hhmmmm.
For every low ranked player that works out there is a LOT MORE high ranked players that are actually high ranked players and work out. The Texas staff sure offered a lot of 4 and 5 stars last year and this year.....why?........if the 3 stars they find are just as good and easier to recruit then why would Texas offer?.......hhmmmm.
I never said it was better to take 2 star guys over 4 star guys. What I said was the star rating system must be flawed. What I like is that Strong must be able to evaluate talent better than the folks that assign stars. Malik was a 5 star guy that was in fact a 5 star guy. However, if Conner Williams was rated only 3 star, who the hell missed on him?...Fortunately, it wasn't Strong.
Sure I want 4 and 5 star guys. I just don't think that is the end all be all of evaluating talent. Swoopes was a 5 star when we got his commitment. Colt was a 3 star.
Sure I want 4 and 5 star guys. I just don't think that is the end all be all of evaluating talent. Swoopes was a 5 star when we got his commitment. Colt was a 3 star.
I agree with you that there are outliers for sure. But lets not act like Texas isn't trying to get those same 4 and 5 star players Ala, lsu and so on are getting. Connor Williams was my pick for steal of the class from the beginning (look up my post about him) not because I seen his tape and thought he was impressive (I did) but I saw his OFFER list. That list will tell you more about a player than some recruiting site. He had offers from everyone for a reason. I don't think Texas can continue to NOT get the top players in Texas and win a National Championship. this year we have what 2 out of the top 50 in Texas? Not acceptable.
Here's my take on Hurtt.
I read quite a bit about him back when Strong was first hired and he was rumored to maybe come here. The guy has quite the resume. And players like him. I think his fiery personality could be what this team needs. By all accounts he is a really good recruiter and has been to quite a few places, including the NFL.
Could he recruit here in Texas? Sure, why not. Recruiting is recruiting. You are likeable or you aren't. You can light up a room or you can't. Having the former Gilmer HC and all his HS ties surely helps. On a staff you have to have a guy that has relationships and can make the first call to an HC to find out about a kid and vis versa having HS coaches call him. After that, could Hurtt take over and build a relationship with a kid? Why not. Having Tx ties would be a bonus to me. But you can either recruit or you can't.
What worries me most is his NCAA troubles. And his ties to Miami and Shapiro. I don't want Texas to sell its soul and become dirty and be in constant NCAA hot water. Leave that to OU.
I read quite a bit about him back when Strong was first hired and he was rumored to maybe come here. The guy has quite the resume. And players like him. I think his fiery personality could be what this team needs. By all accounts he is a really good recruiter and has been to quite a few places, including the NFL.
Could he recruit here in Texas? Sure, why not. Recruiting is recruiting. You are likeable or you aren't. You can light up a room or you can't. Having the former Gilmer HC and all his HS ties surely helps. On a staff you have to have a guy that has relationships and can make the first call to an HC to find out about a kid and vis versa having HS coaches call him. After that, could Hurtt take over and build a relationship with a kid? Why not. Having Tx ties would be a bonus to me. But you can either recruit or you can't.
What worries me most is his NCAA troubles. And his ties to Miami and Shapiro. I don't want Texas to sell its soul and become dirty and be in constant NCAA hot water. Leave that to OU.
The biggest knock we had on Mack was not going after OOS studs. I'm good with having some staff that kills it in state and some that goes after big OOS guys.
Currently we look like we are doing neither.
It is worrisome that we don't even have a staff together and we have half a class and a few weeks left till signing day. I like the foundation class of last year. And I like some of the big guys this year (love QB Buechele and WR Johnson). But we have major holes to fill. I hope they get them filled with quality. Strong closed well last year. Looking forward to it again. Do that and we have quite the foundation.
Currently we look like we are doing neither.
It is worrisome that we don't even have a staff together and we have half a class and a few weeks left till signing day. I like the foundation class of last year. And I like some of the big guys this year (love QB Buechele and WR Johnson). But we have major holes to fill. I hope they get them filled with quality. Strong closed well last year. Looking forward to it again. Do that and we have quite the foundation.
The biggest knock I had about Mack was that he was lazy as a coach and as a recruiter.He just got guys EARLY and based his appraisal on what services said and not what he saw. Once he got these guys signed, he didnt develop them. Jeffcoat was a cant miss guy. I will always believe that Saban or Strong would have made him a unamous AA and 1st round draft choice. Under Mack he was merely good, but not special and went undrafted. Same with Hicks. Mack could not recognize a potential QB if the guy rode to work with him everyday.
THAT was the knock I had about Mack.
THAT was the knock I had about Mack.
Wouldn't worry too much about Texas selling its soul.
I'm with you on that. Especially at the end.
And maybe I misspoke using the words "biggest knock".
But early on, many UT fans were happy with the classes and loading up early. Especially when it worked. And the MO back then was to take a late shot at an OOS stud, like say RB Darrel Scott and then that was all this website had to talk about and every year he'd miss on them. And then people would brag about the in state fence and how lucky we were to get pretty much every top in state stud we wanted.
At the end though, totally agree. When kids in state stopped panning out. Mack was viewed as lazy, etc. Early on, no one was complaining about that though. Quite the opposite actually.
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