Clint Hurtt to Texas?

[HornosaurusRex]

What worries me most is his NCAA troubles. And his ties to Miami and Shapiro. I don't want Texas to sell its soul and become dirty and be in constant NCAA hot water. Leave that to OU.

Hurtt's case is a bit unique in that he was a player for Miami and so was probably on the receiving end of 'improper benefits' as a player, and then got injured as a senior and became a 'volunteer coaching assistant' which he followed up as a graduate coaching assistant. He did a year a FIU as an assistant coach before returning to Miami. Having been on the receiving end of 'improper benefits' and being a part of the Miami culture as a student, I doubt he could do little more than go along with what was already happening...

Then they get busted by the NCAA and he provides false information to the investigating committee and so they come down hard on him.

As far as I know, there is no evidence that he did anything improper at Louisville or that he did anything more at Miami than go along with what was already happening and also wasnt honest with the committee.

I feel like Strong gave him a chance at Louisville and stood by him when sh#$ when down at Miami that reflected badly on him.

If Strong wants him and feels his being on staff will help get it done on the field in 2016, then I'm in favor of bringing him in.

Some info from UofM website:

One of three former Hurricanes players on the current UM coaching staff, Hurtt was a three-year letterman for the Hurricanes as a defensive lineman. He signed with UM in 1997 and played extensively as a freshman before redshirting in 1998 to recover from an injury. Hurtt returned to the lineup and saw extensive action in 1999 and 2000 before an injury prior to the 2001 season ended his playing career. After the injury, Hurtt joined the Hurricanes staff as a volunteer assistant on the strength and conditioning staff. In 2003, he was named a graduate assistant and worked with the defensive line for two seasons.

Hurtt has quickly proven to be one of the top young recruiters in college football as he has signed the top class in the Atlantic Coast Conference the last two seasons. Behind his guidance and efforts, Miami's 2008 signing class ranked No. 1 in the country by ESPN.com as he coordinated the recruiting efforts. The Hurricanes' 2009 class ranked in the top 10 as Miami signed six players ranked in the ESPN.com Top 150.
http://www.hurricanesports.com/ViewArticle​

Hook 'em

 

[Son of Wasatch]

My opinion is if this is who Charlie wants, then we should get him. If Charlie fails as a coach here, I don't want any excuses as to why he failed. If this is who Charlie needs to be successful then by all means I hope he is the guy that puts us over the top.

 

[swVAHorn]

The biggest knock I had about Mack was that he was lazy as a coach and as a recruiter.He just got guys EARLY and based his appraisal on what services said and not what he saw. Once he got these guys signed, he didnt develop them. Jeffcoat was a cant miss guy. I will always believe that Saban or Strong would have made him a unamous AA and 1st round draft choice. Under Mack he was merely good, but not special and went undrafted. Same with Hicks. Mack could not recognize a potential QB if the guy rode to work with him everyday.

THAT was the knock I had about Mack.

The head coach RARELY makes a player a stud. The position coaches get the most out of them. Including Strong. I see your point though.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Mack Brown recruited VY and Colt McCoy-2 of the best quarterbacks in UT history. Both QBs took UT to the MNC game and one of them won. I would say Mack Brown knew what a QB looked like. I would also say many people have a tainted view of Mack Brown and only remember him from the 2010-2013 seasons (still better than Strong).

Mack Brown lost his offensive identity as a coach when Colt was knocked out of the MNC game against Alabama. He never recovered.

 

[oldhorn2]

He did recruit VY...and he signed Colt, although Colt was coming schollie or not.....Ever hear from Mack himself how Colt was named starter?.....Colt had red shirted VY's last year and they all came to camp. Mack(again....from his words...not mine) told the team in the first fall camp meeting that they had lots of work to do. They had to find a QB. The team just laughed and said....coach, that has already been decided. Mack asks ..what are yall talking about?...it is Colt Coach!.....I heard Mack tell that story.

I agree that Mack was a hell of a recruiter...but he missed on soooo many Qb's that he never offered.

 

[RoboCocks21]

All i know is us and bama have the most freshman on the all American list

 

[Cotton #12]

Why waste efforts on out of state non-qualifiers when Texas is stacked with recruits, especially at positions we need? My argument is this, recruit well at home first, then go abroad. Don't do the opposite. It is much riskier to hedge our bets on out of state guys before Texas players. Besides, who is in charge of ensuring the recruits qualify before wasting recruiting resources on them?

How about Austin,when I see the Starting RB and QB at Ou are from the Austin area then something is wrong with that Picture.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Nothing wrong with recruiting Florida. Just don't do it at the expense of disrespecting Texas High School players and coaches. I think Charlie has stepped on a few toes here and it's hurting us this year. Sure he got some good ones from Florida but the ones that changed their minds or couldn't get in left us with some depth issues.

This is just dumb. Texas high school coaches and players do not feel disrespected by Charlie. Like coachemup64 said, this is big-boy football. Texas HS coaches aren't sniveling little bitches that are going to cry and pout anytime Texas recruits an OOS stud. Besides, the large majority of players that have committed to Texas under Charlie have been from Texas.

Why waste efforts on out of state non-qualifiers when Texas is stacked with recruits, especially at positions we need? My argument is this, recruit well at home first, then go abroad. Don't do the opposite. It is much riskier to hedge our bets on out of state guys before Texas players. Besides, who is in charge of ensuring the recruits qualify before wasting recruiting resources on them?

They weren't wasted efforts at all. The staff knew who was a risk not to qualify. Furthermore, none of our recruiting efforts toward the Florida players hurt our recruitment of any other players last year. We landed and kept two studs. We landed another with potential who turned out to be an entitled head case, which is not that uncommon, unfortunately; at least he GTFO so we can use his scholarship on someone else rather than waste it on a non-performer for four years. And it was a risk-free proposition to take fliers on players that were ultimately non-qualifiers; the risk was known, and while it sucks when players don't make it in, it cost us nothing -- not in standing with other recruits nor in scholarships used.

I really don't see how the recruitment of the Florida players lines up with your argument about how Texas should recruit. Charlie is very much following the model of focusing on Texas players but trying to cherry-pick some a few elite OOS recruits.

Besides, who is in charge of ensuring the recruits qualify before wasting recruiting resources on them?

I don't think there's a whole lot you can do. Hiring tutors for an unenrolled recruit would certainly be an impermissible benefit. What other kind of help is there? There's not a whole lot that's useful that can be done within the rules.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Am I REALLY reading on here from some of you that it is better to take a 2 or 3 star over a 4 or 5 star? Yes there are 3 stars that work out and there are no stars that work out......but......the best teams every year get the best players. I really like our freshman class but JUST tap the brakes on making them all 5 stars because they played this year. Lets see how they develop over time first.

For every low ranked player that works out there is a LOT MORE high ranked players that are actually high ranked players and work out. The Texas staff sure offered a lot of 4 and 5 stars last year and this year.....why?........if the 3 stars they find are just as good and easier to recruit then why would Texas offer?.......hhmmmm.

I don't think anyone is saying that they would prefer more three-stars than four- and five-stars. It's a matter of what we can realistically get after six years of irrelevance. And if we're going to be forced to take classes with larger proportions of lower-ranked recruits, it's at least comforting to have an excellent talent evaluator directing the recruiting. The rankings are accurate in the aggregate, but there are loads of individual exceptions every year. If you have a particularly keen eye for those exceptions, you (or the next guy) at least won't be screwed talent-wise as you work to get back to the level where you can recruit those higher-ranked players most effectively.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

What worries me most is his NCAA troubles. And his ties to Miami and Shapiro. I don't want Texas to sell its soul and become dirty and be in constant NCAA hot water. Leave that to OU.

It's a legitimate concern, but the head coach sets the tone, and I'm not worried about Charlie at all in this respect. At places where dirty recruiting goes on, the HC condones it, whether explicitly or by deliberate indifference and willful ignorance.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

My opinion is if this is who Charlie wants, then we should get him. If Charlie fails as a coach here, I don't want any excuses as to why he failed. If this is who Charlie needs to be successful then by all means I hope he is the guy that puts us over the top.

Exactly. Whether you believe in Charlie or not, we need to support the man with all of the resources reasonably needed and available while he's here. If things don't ultimately work out with him here, the next guy will at least generally be better off for anything we've done to help Charlie.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

The head coach RARELY makes a player a stud. The position coaches get the most out of them. Including Strong. I see your point though.

This is true, but the HC still makes critical global decisions that impact development. Good position coaches that feel strictly accountable to the HC for their results generally do better jobs than those same coaches will under coaches where they feel more secure in their positions. Players that feel like injury is essentially the only thing that can take away their starting job often won't be motivated to hold up their end of the bargain as much as they would under coaches that will readily bench a less-effective player for a better player. The HC sets the tone for how intense practices will be and also decides who will practice against whom and how the practices are structured. He also decides decides how intense his S&C program will be, and -- if he knows enough about S&C -- what specific goals will be emphasized.

The position coach's effectiveness will ultimately be dictated to a significant degree by a number of the HC's overarching decisions in running the program.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Mack Brown recruited VY and Colt McCoy-2 of the best quarterbacks in UT history. Both QBs took UT to the MNC game and one of them won. I would say Mack Brown knew what a QB looked like. I would also say many people have a tainted view of Mack Brown and only remember him from the 2010-2013 seasons (still better than Strong).

Mack Brown lost his offensive identity as a coach when Colt was knocked out of the MNC game against Alabama. He never recovered.

Mack deserves his due for his work earlier in his tenure, but let's not forget that he would not have even pursued Vince Young's recruitment were it not for the fact that Tim Brewster insisted on it. Vince was far from high on Texas all along, and Mack was ready to throw in the towel and let him go to Miami or elsewhere. Thank God for Tim f'ing Brewster.

Also, talent evaluation, recruiting effort, and overall recruiting strategy by Mack's staff were already on the decline before the 2010 season. Even at the heights of our success on the field (2008 and 2009), costly failures in those areas had already begun.

 

[Godz40Acrez]

OOLFBFYC (Out of left field but for your consideration)....

2005, social media was (basically) in its infancy. A smart-phone was a Blackberry that was pretty much unaffordable for "kids." Streaming was just coming of age and hi-speed internet wasn't available on most cell phones. E$PN had, what, 2 channels in most markets?

2015, all of the above has grown and is in full force allowing recruits to connect with coaches, fans, and other recruits instantly and continuously 24/7. It's made them "stars" and inflated their egos (at least it would have had that effect on me ) to the point that their recruitments have now become "shows" for all to see - reality TV opportunities.

IOW, recruiting should be nationwide today because the kids are able to be wooed more easily by OOS schools. Yes, Texas is the place to start, but....

 

[swVAHorn]

All i know is us and bama have the most freshman on the all American list

Because we had a lot of freshmen playing....ours because they HAD to......Alabama because they are 5 star studs. I still get your point and I am not downplaying our freshman class because I think it is excellent....other than DT. I think we need to tap the brakes a bit on how good they are going to be just for a bit.

 

[swVAHorn]

This is true, but the HC still makes critical global decisions that impact development. Good position coaches that feel strictly accountable to the HC for their results generally do better jobs than those same coaches will under coaches where they feel more secure in their positions. Players that feel like injury is essentially the only thing that can take away their starting job often won't be motivated to hold up their end of the bargain as much as they would under coaches that will readily bench a less-effective player for a better player. The HC sets the tone for how intense practices will be and also decides who will practice against whom and how the practices are structured. He also decides decides how intense his S&C program will be, and -- if he knows enough about S&C -- what specific goals will be emphasized.

The position coach's effectiveness will ultimately be dictated to a significant degree by a number of the HC's overarching decisions in running the program.

I agree with you. I just think the position coach should get the "develops players" tag a little more than the head coach who may not have ever coached the position he is getting credit for. The head coach is responsible for who gets the offers and makes the coaches accountable and that is something you and I really agree on. Every job should be open every week....
Great post BRB.

 

[swVAHorn]

Mack deserves his due for his work earlier in his tenure, but let's not forget that he would not have even pursued Vince Young's recruitment were it not for the fact that Tim Brewster insisted on it. Vince was far from high on Texas all along, and Mack was ready to throw in the towel and let him go to Miami or elsewhere. Thank God for Tim f'ing Brewster.

Also, talent evaluation, recruiting effort, and overall recruiting strategy by Mack's staff was already on the decline before the 2010 season. Even at the heights of our success on the field (2008 and 2009), costly failures in those areas had already begun.

I'm not doubting you at all but how do you know this? Did you know someone on the staff? I have never known you to post something you don't know about so please don't take it like I am calling you a liar....I think you know I just wonder how you know......I mean the VY recruitment...sorry

 

[bubba2023]

I think it's been told that way for years. I assume it's true as everyone tells the same story. Everyone as in the recruiting guys that followed the program in those years. I don't really care either way. Mack at one time was a really great coach for us, and then he turned into a really bad coach. He certainly left a sour taste in all our mouths but it's pointless to go back and try to retroactively take away his accomplishments. I do agree that the decline started before 2010 despite playing for a NC in 2009.

 

[swVAHorn]

I think it's been told that way for years. I assume it's true as everyone tells the same story. Everyone as in the recruiting guys that followed the program in those years. I don't really care either way. Mack at one time was a really great coach for us, and then he turned into a really bad coach. He certainly left a sour taste in all our mouths but it's pointless to go back and try to retroactively take away his accomplishments. I do agree that the decline started before 2010 despite playing for a NC in 2009.

Thanks bubba. I don't remember reading any of that. I do remember VY was nearly a Hurricane and after seeing him in the Army All Star game I knew why he was wanted by so many schools. He put on a performance. I know some hate Mack and that is something I don't understand. I wanted him gone just like many of you....but I still appreciated him for bringing Texas back and showing what could happen if you did it right at Texas. I am not sure what Mack was thinking from around 2008 and on and I wish he did not take his foot off the gas like he did. He had it all here and blew it. I do think his last year at Texas was his best "coaching" job. He took a team that was not very good and came close to winning the conf title.....course the reason it wasn't very good was taking players he shouldn't have taken. lol

 

[jsto60]

They weren't wasted efforts at all. The staff knew who was a risk not to qualify. Furthermore, none of our recruiting efforts toward the Florida players hurt our recruitment of any other players last year.


I don't think there's a whole lot you can do. Hiring tutors for an unenrolled recruit would certainly be an impermissible benefit. What other kind of help is there? There's not a whole lot that's useful that can be done within the rules.

I think it did hurt our recruitment. That being that those 3 or 4 schollies were eventually just given to 4th string kickers etc that were already on the roster. And instead could have been given to another TE or QB or WR or a solid recruit that actually came to campus. Instead of being wasted.

I do think that as times change, you certainly can do something. It is called your homework. That is what he is talking about. I don't so much knock Strong. And neither did the poster that brought up the point. But there is a guy within the Athletic dept (in fact some schools have a few people that do this job) whose job is to check these things out. His sole job is to make sure incoming kids get elig. So he is supposed to be doing his homework with their guidance counselors making sure their grades and test scores are high enough and their transcript qualifies. And he argues on their behalf to the NCAA. And also lets the kids know what things they need to do to get in aka classes etc.

Dude is asleep at the wheel. And he is getting paid over 100k to fail at his job. Just about each and every year. He was under scrutiny for this a while back and almost fired. And we kept him in his same position.

 

[Longyac]

Mack Brown recruited VY and Colt McCoy-2 of the best quarterbacks in UT history. Both QBs took UT to the MNC game and one of them won. I would say Mack Brown knew what a QB looked like. I would also say many people have a tainted view of Mack Brown and only remember him from the 2010-2013 seasons (still better than Strong).

Mack Brown lost his offensive identity as a coach when Colt was knocked out of the MNC game against Alabama. He never recovered.

Somebody was able to forget 2010.

 

[bubba2023]

Somebody was able to forget 2010.

Mack's win percentage during 2010-2013 was .588. Strong's is below .500 so far.

 

[jsto60]

Somebody was able to forget 2010.

He posted a fact.
5-7
8-5
9-4
8-5
Thats a win % of .588

Vs
6-7
5-7
Thats regression and a win% of .440



Now don't get it twisted. I still hope Strong turns this around. Recognize he had difficulties to overcome. But also can admit that maybe he hasn't done the best job of doing that so far. And that it can't keep getting worse and setting records for futility and blaming someone else.

For his part, he takes full ownership of righting the ship. I wish some fans would stop blaming a guy that hasn't been on a sideline since 2013. Its almost 2016 and this very type of passing the buck is what got Aggie in a coaching carousel. You get nowhere if you don't take responsibility to fix something and just keep blaming someone else for breaking it years ago.

 

[bubba2023]

Strong will need to win 19 games over the next two seasons for his first 4 years to match Mack's last 4 years.

 

[jsto60]

Strong will need to win 19 games over the next two seasons for his first 4 years to match Mack's last 4 years.

So you are saying Strong needs to win 9 games and then 10 games, just to match the win% that got Mack fired?

 

[jsto60]

Back to Hurtt.

What spots do we have left to add to this coaching staff?

Looks like Norvell is gone. I was ok with keeping him as WR coach. Love Traylor and his bright future. Love the new hires in Gilbert/Mattox.

I like the idea of Hurtt, just a little more than I am worried about the idea. I love what he might bring to the equation with enthusiasm and recruiting ability. Think he'd fit in well and can infuse needed things here, especially with his familiarity with Strong. Worried about the backstory stuff and the cloud of dirt (real or just perceived, it is still there and I'll never get to interview the guy to find out what the deal really was).

 

[bubba2023]

So you are saying Strong needs to win 9 games and then 10 games, just to match the win% that got Mack fired?

Yes. Granted if Strong were to do that it would be quite the turnaround and even though their records would be equal winning 19 over the next 2 years would prove the narrative that he just needs his guys and would bode better for the future than Mack did in the end.

 

[jsto60]

Yes. Granted if Strong were to do that it would be quite the turnaround and even though their records would be equal winning 19 over the next 2 years would prove the narrative that he just needs his guys and would bode better for the future than Mack did in the end.

Oh I agree. It would show a positive turnaround. As opposed to yo-yoing below standards (as Mack did at the end) or regressing. And that is what is needed. That is why he was hired. To make things better.

The guy bringing up forgetting about 2010. We are almost in 2016. I don't really care to talk about 2010 any more. Unless we are talking about Mack and his history.

If we are talking about current coaching hires/fires aka a Hurtt thread......what does 2010 have to do with anything, unless you are just interested in irrelevant excuses?



Mack Brown won us a lot. Then a Bama loss ruined his identity. And he never recovered it. But even when he was down, he wasn't this down. And all he is now, is a decent TV analyst. The current results on the field are what they are. Year1 you can use the Mack excuse. Year2, I'll freely admit it takes more time. Losing seasons and inconsistent play and records for futility and regression continues in years3 and beyond.....and noting about Mack in 2010 is relevant to those points.

 

[westx]

Back to Hurtt.

I just wanted to ask. Is there a credible rumor that getting Hurt is in the works?

 

[Godz40Acrez]

I just wanted to ask. Is there a credible rumor that getting Hurt is in the works?

Per the comments section @ TFB:
Longhorn.Pirate • 2 hours ago
With the [Chicago] Bears being done this weekend can we expect a news conference on Monday with a new addition?

Andrew King • an hour ago
All I will say on Hurtt is that he's Strong's guy and IMO the only reason he's not on the staff next year will be due to Fenves/Perrin not signing off on it.

 

[Longyac]

Mack's win percentage during 2010-2013 was .588. Strong's is below .500 so far.

Have you forgotten how easy the 2010 schedule was? Trade Wyoming and FAU for ND and Cal and this year's team is 7-5 and in a bowl and the 2010 team would have been 3-9. Not to mention getting beat handily, at home, by a UCLA team that went 4-8 that year.

 

[swVAHorn]

Have you forgotten how easy the 2010 schedule was? Trade Wyoming and FAU for ND and Cal and this year's team is 7-5 and in a bowl and the 2010 team would have been 3-9. Not to mention getting beat handily, at home, by a UCLA team that went 4-8 that year.

Poor ole Strong can't catch a break can he..........it is this that or the other thing. Always. Never because Strong chose a crappy OC for a crappy offense or he chose coaches that werent worth a darn. or he didn't take some jucos or transfers that could help right now.... Its Macks fault......Mack only won because of playing easy teams....I guess that is the narrative now. Sheesh.

 

[jsto60]

Have you forgotten how easy the 2010 schedule was? Trade Wyoming and FAU for ND and Cal and this year's team is 7-5 and in a bowl and the 2010 team would have been 3-9. Not to mention getting beat handily, at home, by a UCLA team that went 4-8 that year.

Make a play or two here or there or an extra point and Texas could have maybe even beated Cal without taking them off the schedule.

I'd rather live in "what we can do now" land, than man if we just played ATMs or 2010s schedule.

And lets be honest, with the way we got pasted by ISU.......FAU or Wyoming are no guarantees. You have no clue what Texas will show up each week. That is two part.....it is on the youth and lack of depth......and on the coaches. You know, these coaches....the ones coaching.....not the one that is now a talking head on ESPN. That guy is actually succeeding at his current job, no idea why we are blaming him for the job someone else is/isn't doing on a football field.


It is real simple. Strong was charged with fixing a mess that Mack created. No one said it would be an easy task. But no one said Strong was forced to kick a whole OL off a team and not accept an xfer QB and be forced to play young QBs with no OL for two years in a row. No one forced him to hire his buddy at OC, you know a guy that failed at Nebraska and Colorado. Could go on and on.

Bottom line is Strongs task is to fix Texas. Not make excuses for why it is broken and lose more and more games than the last guy. I am glad he gets that. And he take ownership of that. I wish some fans would.

 

[Longyac]

The 2010 team lost to ISU in Austin. If my memory is right it was 28-6 before a couple of 4th quarter scores against the ISU bench.​

 

[jsto60]

The 2010 team lost to ISU in Austin. If my metro my is right it was 28-6 before a couple of 4th quarter scores agianst the ISU bench.

Does that make this years 24-0 loss any better or worse?