Comparable coaching changes

[40acresdad]

but unaccOther coaches with short tenures. Or: "Why do other schools get to pursue National Championships, without being labeled a 'cesspool' by an alum of (all places) Ohio State?"

Luke Fickell (interim, full-year-loved-by-the-players-but-not-hired-by-the-administration-head-coach), Ohio State, 1 year: 6-7
Ty Willingham, Notre Dame, 3 years: 21-15
Ron Zook, Florida, 3 years, 24-14
Mike Shula, Alabama, 4 years, 26-23
Brady Hoke, Michigan, 4 years: 31-20
Bill Callahan, Nebraska, 4 years: 27-22
Will Muschamp, Florida, 4 years: 28-21
Gene Chizak, Auburn, 4 years: 33-19
Charlie Weis, Notre Dame, 5 years: 35-27

 

[dtrain87]

Other coaches with short tenures. Or: "Why do other schools get to pursue National Championships, without being labeled a 'cesspool' by an alum of (all places) Ohio State?"

Luke Fickell, Ohio State, 1 year: 6-7
Ty Willingham, Notre Dame, 3 years: 21-15
Ron Zook, Florida, 3 years, 24-14
Mike Shula, Alabama, 4 years, 26-23
Brady Hoke, Michigan, 4 years: 31-20
Bill Callahan, Nebraska, 4 years: 27-22
Will Muschamp, Florida, 4 years: 28-21
Gene Chizak, Auburn, 4 years: 33-19
Charlie Weis, Notre Dame, 5 years: 35-27

He was always and interim HC. He's a co-DC. He was kept by Meyer. Cess-pool is for the input the boosters have and that HC has to answer to. Like Jerry Jones with Dallas.

 

[diadevic]

Other coaches with short tenures. Or: "Why do other schools get to pursue National Championships, without being labeled a 'cesspool' by an alum of (all places) Ohio State?"

Luke Fickell, Ohio State, 1 year: 6-7
Ty Willingham, Notre Dame, 3 years: 21-15
Ron Zook, Florida, 3 years, 24-14
Mike Shula, Alabama, 4 years, 26-23
Brady Hoke, Michigan, 4 years: 31-20
Bill Callahan, Nebraska, 4 years: 27-22
Will Muschamp, Florida, 4 years: 28-21
Gene Chizak, Auburn, 4 years: 33-19
Charlie Weis, Notre Dame, 5 years: 35-27

Good work!

 

[bubba2023]

Rich Rod at Michigan is probably the closest recent test case. Hell if Strong had any of the records above he would probably be signing an extension.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I think Texas is taking heat not because they have decided to fire Strong. It's the fact that this is the 2nd change that's been messy. Plus you know it's not just football that gas struggled over the last 5-6 years. It's pretty much everything(basketball looks headed in the right direction) maybe we should stop blaming the media and do some self reflection. It can't just be every coach.

 

[bubba2023]

Herbstreit was pandering to the crowd. Cess-pool is over the top. We need stronger leadership in the AD office obviously. Booster politics exist everywhere for some reason ours seem to think it needs to be public though, and no big time program that is loosing like Texas is or Michigan was under Rich Rod or all the other programs on the list above has a unified voice. What Texas has going on isn't any different than any other major program.

 

[40acresdad]

I think Texas is taking heat not because they have decided to fire Strong. It's the fact that this is the 2nd change that's been messy. Plus you know it's not just football that gas struggled over the last 5-6 years. It's pretty much everything(basketball looks headed in the right direction) maybe we should stop blaming the media and do some self reflection. It can't just be every coach.

Not blaming the media. Just helping them with balanced research.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Not blaming the media. Just helping them with balanced research.

But they aren't blaming Texas for making the change. It's the way it's going down... again.

 

[bubba2023]

But they aren't blaming Texas for making the change. It's the way it's going down... again.

He should just be fired, but I don't really see it as some kind of injustice that he had to do a regularly scheduled press conference. Strong isn't a victim.

 

[ryan_sublett]

He should just be fired, but I don't really see it as some kind of injustice that he had to do a regularly scheduled press conference. Strong isn't a victim.

He's not a victim but there is right and wrong. That's all most are saying.

 

[diadevic]

He's not a victim but there is right and wrong. That's all most are saying.

If the AD met him on the tarmac and escorted him out, I would say that is wrong. All I've read is that the kids love him, he's a father figure, they don't want to play for anyone else, etc. etc. To give him a chance to coach one last week with his players, and allow him to say goodbyes to players AND staff, seems like an honorable thing for UT to do.

 

[Belldozer1]

If Strong were to notch 2 mores wins before this season ends then you may hear much more crying from the media et al about how unfair it is since he has shown improvement. That to me is a reason to go ahead and end it now because it seems like the vast majority of Horn fans want him gone.

 

[ryan_sublett]

If the AD met him on the tarmac and escorted him out, I would say that is wrong. All I've read is that the kids love him, he's a father figure, they don't want to play for anyone else, etc. etc. To give him a chance to coach one last week with his players, and allow him to say goodbyes to players AND staff, seems like an honorable thing for UT to do.

Except that's not what they are doing. They are acting as if no decssion has been made and if things go well against TCU he might keep his job. Maybe that is true but it certainly doesn't sound like it. I would of preferred Perrin come out Sunday or Monday and say "we have divided to move on from Charlie Strong we'd like to thank him for his service. He will coach Friday vs TCU". That would of been the best way to handle it imo and would of been respected.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Here is the ultimate comparison. Texas vs Texas.
Fred Akers played for 2 MNC and fired after a disaster 85 season.
Mack Brown played for 2 MNC and fired after a medicore 14 season.

Texas hires a defensive minded coach in David McWilliams with almost no coaching search.
Texas hires a defensive minded coach in Charlie Strong with almost no coaching search.

Texas hires John Mackovic an offensive minded coach with almost no search.
Texas is trending in hiring Herman, an offensive coach with again almost no coaching search.

The trend broke with Mack Brown, we actually had a true coaching search before we hired him.

 

[James Knox Polk]

What is shocking is how much worse Strong's record is than anyone else's.

 

[diadevic]

Here is the ultimate comparison. Texas vs Texas.
Fred Akers played for 2 MNC and fired after a disaster 85 season.
Mack Brown played for 2 MNC and fired after a medicore 14 season.

Texas hires a defensive minded coach in David McWilliams with almost no coaching search.
Texas hires a defensive minded coach in Charlie Strong with almost no coaching search.

Texas hires John Mackovic an offensive minded coach with almost no search.
Texas is trending in hiring Herman, an offensive coach with again almost no coaching search.

The trend broke with Mack Brown, we actually had a true coaching search before we hired him.

Is it correct that the decision came down to Mack Brown vs. Gary Barnett, and Barnett was the leader until the final interview?

 

[dtrain87]

Is it correct that the decision came down to Mack Brown vs. Gary Barnett, and Barnett was the leader until the final interview?

Mack had more southern twang.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

ANY and I MEAN ANY business that wants to hire me and disrespect me by not telling me I'm fired and still pay me $20 mil. PAAAAAALEASE call me or email. I'm on LinkedIn!

 

[bubba2023]

He's not a victim but there is right and wrong. That's all most are saying.

That's what they are saying, but in reality there is right, then a whole lot of gray, and then wrong. We are in the gray due to poor leadership. How it's being handled isn't wrong nor is it an injustice to Strong. Strong is still being paid by the University it's not unfair for the University to still require him to do things that are required of his soon to be former position.

If he's not a victim, then how is he being wronged?

 

[LongfellowDrew]

That's what they are saying, but in reality there is right, then a whole lot of gray, and then wrong. We are in the gray due to poor leadership. How it's being handled isn't wrong nor is it an injustice to Strong. Strong is still being paid by the University it's not unfair for the University to still require him to do things that are required of his soon to be former position.

If he's not a victim, then how is he being wronged?

EXACTLY!

 

[ryan_sublett]

That's what they are saying, but in reality there is right, then a whole lot of gray, and then wrong. We are in the gray due to poor leadership. How it's being handled isn't wrong nor is it an injustice to Strong. Strong is still being paid by the University it's not unfair for the University to still require him to do things that are required of his soon to be former position.

If he's not a victim, then how is he being wronged?

I don't think the fact that someone is still getting paid in this case a lot of money excuses the fact that this has been handled messy.

 

[swVAHorn]

I don't think the fact that someone is still getting paid in this case a lot of money excuses the fact that this has been handled messy.

The people that hire and fire are not the ones mistreating your guy. The media is reporting from "sources". Those "sources" are the ones mistreating him....not the University of Texas. He got away with robbery as far as I am concerned. He was way overpaid for what he did.

 

[bubba2023]

I don't think the fact that someone is still getting paid in this case a lot of money excuses the fact that this has been handled messy.

So is it being handled messy or is it being handled wrong? They aren't one and the same.

 

[bubba2023]

He's was hired to do a job which includes talking to the press after you are embarrassed by Kansas. It's not wrong to wait to fire someone at the end of the season. It's not wrong for Charlie to have to answer to the press that's part of his job until he's fired.

 

[bubba2023]

He's was hired to do a job which includes talking to the press after you are embarrassed by Kansas. It's not wrong to wait to fire someone at the end of the season. It's not wrong for Charlie to have to answer to the press that's part of his job until he's fired. Wrong would be trying to come up with a way to not pay him a la the Raiders and Kiffen. Not firing him until after the TCU game is messy given what has been leaked, but it's certainly not wrong.