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Does KD have what it takes to lead a team to a title?

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I love Kevin Durant. I grew up in San Antonio and still bleed spurs silver and black. And I'm still happy if they continue to rack up some championship banners. But KD is my favorite player and because of that the OKC Thunder are my favorite team. It's like they're number one and the spurs are 1A.

But over the last few seasons I've noticed that the thunder can not close out games and this is especially noticeable against the elite teams like last Saturday. Yes KD had a great game offensively and had his best game of the year from the three point line. With 18 seconds to go he hit a three pointer to put OKC up by 4. But Golden State hit a basket and with 11 seconds to go it was down to 2. But the thunder did not call a to. And KD panicked under pressure he threw a down court pass that was intercepted and with less than one second to go he fouled Andre Igoudada. AI is a career 60% free throw shooter but naturally he made both to send it into ot. KD's attempt at a game winning basket was short. And then one minute into ot he fouled out and OKC had to play the rest of the game with KD on the bench. He's done this before in playoff games most recently two years ago in game 6 of the western conference finals against SA. It was so frustrating to watch. The thunder led pretty much the whole game. But down the stretch they shot 2 for 11 from the field and GS shot 6 for 10. I hate to say but even with a three with 18 seconds to go KD once again wilted under pressure.

Also KD and Russell Westbrook are the thunder. But OKC is one of the worst teams when it comes to to's. And for all their talent KD and RW average anywhere from 12 to 15 to's a game between them. OKC had 22 to's against the warriors and it came back to haunt them. Since the all star break they've lost 4 out of 5 and in three of them they didn't close it out not even at home against a mediocre Indiana Pacers team. I predict they'll make it out of round 1 and then they will lose to the spurs.

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are the Golden State Warriors just that good? I mean I can't believe it. They started the season 25-0. The best single season record was when one of Michael Jordan's teams went 72-10. But the warriors are currently 53-5, That's a winning percentage of over 90%. They have 24 games left, 17 of them home where they are undefeated so far. If nobody gets hurt they will obliterate that 72-10 record. I can't believe it the thunder led for all but 10 seconds. They out rebounded GS 62-32. And for once the thunder supporting cast raised their game especially Serge Ibaka and SA native Andre Roberson. But once again to's killed them like it does in every game they lose. They're normally a good free throw shooting team but they were 50% from the charity stripe and this was on a night when GS was'nt hitting free throws either. It's like you have to play a near perfect game to beat the warriors. It's like they can't do anything wrong. They didn't lead the whole game. Nobody but SC was hitting three pointers and then they start hitting them in the last minute and ot.

How did the Warriors get that good. They were a playoff team but they never went past the second round in fact before last year they hadn't made the conference finals in 39 years. But they fired their coach and brought in Steve Kerr and they signed AI as a free agent. SK had never coached in his life I think he spent a couple of years as general manager of the Phoenix suns. Since he retired as a player he's spent most of his career as an analyst on TNT. But now he's Red Auerbach, Phil Jackson, and John Wooden rolled into one. I mean everybody on that team can score. They can all play defense and pass the ball. Draymond Green went on a profanity laced tirade at halftime, he ended up scoring one point and yet he had a double double with rebounds and assists.

But mostly its Steph Curry. Has anyone watched him this year? He can't miss especially from the three point line. Reggie Miller was the best three point shooter Ive ever seen. Not anymore. A good three point shoother is usually 40 %. He's over 50!!!!! He's already broke his record for three pointers from last year and he still has 24 more games to play. His last two games he's had 23 three pointers including 13 for 16 against the thunder the last one the game winner from 30 feet. I mean the man is making it from everywhere. He's a good passer too and a decent defensive player. I knew he was an all star and a good player but now he's playing like Michael who? I mean Magic, Kareem, Larry Bird, Bill Russell, Michael Jordan's team have never played like this. I can't believe this dramatic transformation form SC and his team. There are four outstanding teams in the NBA. Besides GS, and OKC, there's SA, and Lebron's team. They beat the spurs by 32 in the only game they've played so far. They destroyed Lebron's team by 34 in Cleveland. The cavs fired their coach the next day.

They might as well stop the season and just give it to the warriors now.
 
Basketball is such a long season how did they get this good all of a sudden? How come nobody has figured them out yet?
 
Thunder play no D. Warriors play decent D. Spurs play great D.

Durant can play D with the right coach.

Warriors take down my spurs in 7 this year. Durant leaves okc after this year, joins the spurs for 21 million a year (the cap goes up by 18 mil after this year and manu walks) and the spurs with 3 of the next for with durant, leonard, and aldridge.
 
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The Thunder is an extremely undisciplined team. Great individual talent but they will never win a championship. Durant will stay out of loyalty, Westbrook will leave. They couldn't stop Ranger JC on defense.
 
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Thunder play no D. Warriors play decent D. Spurs play great D.

Durant can play D with the right coach.

Warriors take down my spurs in 7 this year. Durant leaves okc after this year, joins the spurs for 21 million a year (the cap goes up by 18 mil after this year and manu walks) and the spurs with 3 of the next for with durant, leonard, and aldridge.
Durrant will sign a 1 year extension because the bargaining contract benefits him to sign his long term contract next year...$$$$$$ . I am not sure where he signs his long term contract but if he feels there is no way to compete for a championship here in okc then I could see him leaving.
 
KD won't sign with the spurs they already have Leonard, Aldridge, and they still have TD, at forward.
 
The Thunder is an extremely undisciplined team. Great individual talent but they will never win a championship. Durant will stay out of loyalty, Westbrook will leave. They couldn't stop Ranger JC on defense.


OKC drives me crazy with their to's. It makes me nuts with their cross court passing. What really angers is their interior passing down around the basket. Do you realize how many to's they commit when they do that?
 
But in fairness to KD and Russ they don't have near the supporting cast that GS & SA have. Replacing Scott Brooks with Billy Donovan hasn't changed that. Don't get me wrong Billy Donovan is a good coach but who else do they have? Serge Ibaka is a solid player but until recently he has not played good this year. He had an outstanding game against GS and if he can continue to do that it will certainly help their chances. But who else?

Steven Adams-one of the NBA's most unique characters. Good defensive player and rebounder probably the best defensive player on OKC. But he's a mediocre free throw shooter and even when he's at his best on offense he's good for 15 points at most.

Enes Kanter-good for double doubles. But an awful defensive player and a mediocre passer. His play against GS makes me wonder if he can get double doubles when it matters most.

Don Waiters-he reminds me of the old US Navy commercial when he shotots the ball. It's not just a job it's an adventure.

Cameron Payne-another unique individual. Refers to himself in the third person, probably a great interview. A lottery pick, he's a keeper. Has played well so far this year, put DJ Augustine on the bench and got him traded. But he's a rookie and he hasn't had enough time to develop the strength you need to pay an entire season. Because of that he's starting to wear down like most rookies do.
 
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And like I said at the top of the thread does anyone have an idea on how to stop GS? I can't think of any.

Am I the only one who wonders how they turned into an unstoppable machine overnight?
 
But in fairness to KD and Russ they don't have near the supporting cast that GS &SA have. Replacing Scott Brooks with Billy Donovan hasn't changed that. Don't get me wrong Billy Donovan is a good coach but who else do they have? Serge Ibaka is a solid player but until recently he had not played good this year. He had an outstanding game against GS and if he can continue to do that it will certainly help their chances. But who else?

Steven Adams-one of the NBA's most unique characters. Good defensive player and rebounder probably the best defensive player on OKC. But he's a mediocre free throw shooter and even when he at his best on offense he's good for 15 points at most.

Enes Kanter-good for double doubles. But an awful defensive player and a mediocre passer. His play against GS makes me wonder if he can get double doubles when it matters most.

Don Waiters-he reminds me of the old US Navy commercial when he shotots the ball. It's not just a job it's an adventure.

Cameron Payne-another unique individual. Refers to himself in the third person, probably a great interview. A lottery pick and he's a keeper. Hads played well so this year put DJ Augustine on the bench and got him traded. But he's a rookie and he hasn't had enough time to develop the strength you need to pay an entire season. Because of that he's starting to wear down like most rookies do.
True, but this team looks like it did 4 years ago with brooks. I was all for getting rid of brooks but Donovan has never had to deal with these types of personalities. He has surrounded himself with NBA coaches but if the team looks that same under 2 different coaches than maybe its the players and not the staff. Just a thought ;)
 
And like I said at the top of the thread does anyone have an idea on how to stop GS? I can't think of any.

Am I the only one who wonders how they turned into an unstoppable machine overnight?

How many players have scored 100 pts in a game?

Answer: 2

Wilt Chamberlin, and Cheryl Miller.

The key to beating the GSW is to stop all the people around Step Curry, you can't stop Curry anymore than you could stop MJ back in the day.

They key is to stop Green, and Thompson. That is much easier than stopping Curry.

Make Curry shoot every shot, he will keep them in the game but he will also tire. Then in the 4th quarter switch, you take the ball out of Curry's hands and make the rest of the warriors beat you when they haven't been hitting shots all game.

If Curry can break 100 pts, then good for him, but so long as your not letting anyone else score you will still beat them.
 
Ah the don't let anyone else score defensive strategy. It's so simple until the opposing coach roles out the everybody score offensive strategy. ;)
 
True, but this team looks like it did 4 years ago with brooks. I was all for getting rid of brooks but Donovan has never had to deal with these types of personalities. He has surrounded himself with NBA coaches but if the team looks that same under 2 different coaches than maybe its the players and not the staff. Just a thought ;)

In regards to his asst coaches I wonder how much the absence of Monty Williams has affected OKC. I've noticed that during to's Monty Williams was the one who diagrammed the plays, BD just watched. That shows that BD is having to learn on the job when it comes to the pro game.

It hasn't been talked about on this board but I'm sure people know that MW lost his wife in a terrible car accident last month, the driver in the other car also died. I knew that when he was in NO he and especially his wife were pillars in the community. What a terrible tragedy. MW is now a single parent to 5 children. He led NO to the playoffs last year,they fired him and replaced him with Alvin Gentry who is all style and no substance. He was a mediocre coach in Phoenix and he will be a mediocre coach in NO.

MW is a man of real character, he's not a hypocrite in his private life he walks it like he talks it. The NBA needs more men like him, and the OKC players especially need him back on the sidelines.
 
In regards to his asst coaches I wonder how much the absence of Monty Williams has affected OKC. I've noticed that during to's Monty Williams was the one who diagrammed the plays, BD just watched. That shows that BD is having to learn on the job when it comes to the pro game.

It hasn't been talked about on this board but I'm sure people know that MW lost his wife in a terrible car accident last month, the driver in the other car also died. I knew that when he was in NO he and especially his wife were pillars in the community. What a terrible tragedy. MW is now a single parent to 5 children. He led NO to the playoffs last year,they fired him and replaced him with Alvin Gentry who is all style and no substance. He was a mediocre coach in Phoenix and he will be a mediocre coach in NO.

MW is a man of real character, he's not a hypocrite in his private life he walks it like he talks it. The NBA needs more men like him, and the OKC players especially need him back on the sidelines.
Good point, and it was a very horrible crash. Durant pretty much cried when interviewed about this and I would concede this has at least distracted the team. They made a pretty good statement earlier on the OKC radio show about how westbrook has never been disciplined by any coach since he has been here and it is too late to start now. He used to pout when brooks got on him and even walked away from when brooks was drawing plays but this year may be his best as far as controlling his emotions. I think this may be one of those teams that unfortunately does not win something because there are just better teams out there and they cant get over the hump to be "that" team to beat. Kind of what the bulls Jordan run did to some of the other great players that never won a title. It is all in the chemistry and timing when it comes to basketball.
 
Good point, and it was a very horrible crash. Durant pretty much cried when interviewed about this and I would concede this has at least distracted the team. They made a pretty good statement earlier on the OKC radio show about how westbrook has never been disciplined by any coach since he has been here and it is too late to start now. He used to pout when brooks got on him and even walked away from when brooks was drawing plays but this year may be his best as far as controlling his emotions. I think this may be one of those teams that unfortunately does not win something because there are just better teams out there and they cant get over the hump to be "that" team to beat. Kind of what the bulls Jordan run did to some of the other great players that never won a title. It is all in the chemistry and timing when it comes to basketball.

Madcow,
In regards to Westbrook, maybe a man like Monty Williams who is 6'8" can command respect from RW. Maybe.

Do you really think OKC has a chance tomorrow night in Oakland? I'd hate to see them get swept not only by GS but LeBron James as well.

I didn't see the game but I read that last night in ot against Atlanta Draymond Green hit a desperate, split legged, off balance shot, as the 24 second click expired, to win the game for GS. Nothing goes wrong for them.
 
Actually Warriors are a very good defensive team, mostly because of Green but Bogut also playing well. Probably not at the Spurs level but play so much up tempo that Warriors count on creating more turnovers than stops. Paid off against OKC.

Thompson off the last two games (Curry did not play last night) but Warriors still won which surprised me. Team is very deep. Barnes and Igadala, Livingston and Barbosa. All good shooters and ball handlers. But poster is right that Curry makes the whole thing go. If he gets hurt in the playoffs Spurs may win it.
 
And like I said at the top of the thread does anyone have an idea on how to stop GS? I can't think of any.

Am I the only one who wonders how they turned into an unstoppable machine overnight?
Unbelievable shooters all over the floor that can score from anywhere and in multiple ways. Also, they have fully embraced the team first ideology that the Spurs are famous for. The Warriors are the Spurs but with better shooters. Steph could go down as the best pure shooter of all time if he continues the pace he is on. With all of this talk about the Warriors, people are forgetting that the Spurs are still on pace to win 70 games. That is incredible! Also, I believe the rest of the NBA is pretty watered down. You have the top 4-5 in the west, and top 1-2 in the east and then nobody else is any good, makes for lots of wins for the good teams
 
Madcow,
In regards to Westbrook, maybe a man like Monty Williams who is 6'8" can command respect from RW. Maybe.

Do you really think OKC has a chance tomorrow night in Oakland? I'd hate to see them get swept not only by GS but LeBron James as well.

LOL!
 
I mean I wrote this thread three months ago and you went to these lengths to retrieve it? I feel complimented, put down, and humored all at the same time :) :mad::p

I'm sure glad you didn't take it personally.
 
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And already I am honestly glad I'm wrong. I've always wanted Kevin to bring home a title. America loves Steph Curry, they admire but don't love LeBron, Tom Brady, even Peyton the way they do Steph. They did not want to realize that Steph has glaring weaknesses, they're already making excuses about him being injured. But consider this just two weeks ago he scored 17 points in three minutes in Portland. Just last week he scored 15 points in less than two minutes against the Thunder. But people are going to forget that.

It took a new coach to bring out the talent that is there in the supporting cast, to get a couple of alpha males blended in with the rest of the team and now you're seeing the results. And the thing is people aren't going to notice something about Russ. They see someone who seems to be rude, arrogant. What they don't see is this is the most vicious competitor in the NBA now that Kobe has retired. If he plays tonight like he has in this series he will have destroyed pretty boy. And we're seeing it in KD to. He's a forward so he doesn't guard Curry but so far he has destroyed the GS front court within the first two minutes of the second quarter he had both of their centers with three fouls each. He's blocked so many of their shots, yet another indication of how wimpy the GSW are when it comes to scoring in the paint. Best of all they have exposed Draymond Green for the cheap and ugly bully that he is. He pissed of KD and his team for that kick on Adams they have responded to it and on Tuesday they absolutely humiliated Draymond and he couldn't made any kind of response. Like I said just a cheap and ugly bully.

And how about the way Adams has responded from that kick? Did you see that fb pass he threw to Roberson for the assist? Now I know who the real man is on the court. Dyk that Adams got a testicular contusion from that kick? Scary, real scary.
 
Well, I didn't think the GSW had it in them to go up in the paint and play big boy bb, so give it up for them on that. If stayed between 4-8 points the whole way. The Thunder couldn't get over the hump. The Warrior bench stepped up and their crowd got into it. Home crowds and playoff bb not easy to overcome. So we go back to OKC for game 6. KD played well and so did Russ. It wasn't a blowout but the Thunder need to finish the job on Saturday.
 
I mean I wrote this thread three months ago and you went to these lengths to retrieve it? I feel complimented, put down, and humored all at the same time :) :mad::p

I'm sure glad you didn't take it personally.
My finding that thread was 95% accidental. I clicked on a "6", thinking I was going to page 6 of a thread, and instead went to page 6 of the forum.

The 5% was that you wrote a good title that caught my eye.

You're a nice guy, OutHereInCali. Good people. I definitely was not intending to put you down.
 
Well, I didn't think the GSW had it in them to go up in the paint and play big boy bb, so give it up for them on that. If stayed between 4-8 points the whole way. The Thunder couldn't get over the hump. The Warrior bench stepped up and their crowd got into it. Home crowds and playoff bb not easy to overcome. So we go back to OKC for game 6. KD played well and so did Russ. It wasn't a blowout but the Thunder need to finish the job on Saturday.
Yeah, the Thunder need to close it out, at home, lest Big Mo go heavily to the Warriors.
 
If GS comes back to win this series, I'm going to make fun of myself, for ribbing others. But I think they'll close it out in 6. I didn't think they would win last night.
 
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FYI Okies, Durant on a 7-0 run in the last 3 mins. He is the only thing keeping OKC in the game. And he has had 2 defensive stops contributing.

I hope they lose, and he leaves. So you cry babys can taste life without him.
 
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And already I am honestly glad I'm wrong. I've always wanted Kevin to bring home a title. America loves Steph Curry, they admire but don't love LeBron, Tom Brady, even Peyton the way they do Steph. They did not want to realize that Steph has glaring weaknesses, they're already making excuses about him being injured. But consider this just two weeks ago he scored 17 points in three minutes in Portland. Just last week he scored 15 points in less than two minutes against the Thunder. But people are going to forget that.

It took a new coach to bring out the talent that is there in the supporting cast, to get a couple of alpha males blended in with the rest of the team and now you're seeing the results. And the thing is people aren't going to notice something about Russ. They see someone who seems to be rude, arrogant. What they don't see is this is the most vicious competitor in the NBA now that Kobe has retired. If he plays tonight like he has in this series he will have destroyed pretty boy. And we're seeing it in KD to. He's a forward so he doesn't guard Curry but so far he has destroyed the GS front court within the first two minutes of the second quarter he had both of their centers with three fouls each. He's blocked so many of their shots, yet another indication of how wimpy the GSW are when it comes to scoring in the paint. Best of all they have exposed Draymond Green for the cheap and ugly bully that he is. He pissed of KD and his team for that kick on Adams they have responded to it and on Tuesday they absolutely humiliated Draymond and he couldn't made any kind of response. Like I said just a cheap and ugly bully.

And how about the way Adams has responded from that kick? Did you see that fb pass he threw to Roberson for the assist? Now I know who the real man is on the court. Dyk that Adams got a testicular contusion from that kick? Scary, real scary.


Can you cry a little more?

I hope Durant goes to a real city when free agency happens.....you know like ANY of the other teams in the league. Even Philly would appreciate him more than you half breeds do. Cry us a river when he is gone.
 
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