Different era,Dana coached in the 40's,No TV,No facemasks,had winning records other schools,not the real money maker it is today.Its big business in todays world.
For All You Wannabe BOR's
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Charlie has made mistakes here there is no doubt there. But I will say this. The idea that he was "given 3 years" while technically accurate isn't completely true.
There were many that didn't want him in the first place, many wanted him fired after year 1. Many more joined that bandwagon after gsme 1 of year 2. He'll if he hadn't won the OU gsme last year he probably is fired because the seat was pretty hot before that.
So he has basically been on the hot seat from day 1. Charlie made mistakes here but this was going to be a disaster from the start. He was hired by an outgoing president who hired an AD no one liked and Charlie wasn't the boosters pick. We still have no leadership at the top. I know people say winning cures all that, but I'm not sure About that. It was just a bad fig from the stsrt. I'm telling you right now if we don't fix the leadership vacuum in the athletic department the next guy will struggle to.
There were many that didn't want him in the first place, many wanted him fired after year 1. Many more joined that bandwagon after gsme 1 of year 2. He'll if he hadn't won the OU gsme last year he probably is fired because the seat was pretty hot before that.
So he has basically been on the hot seat from day 1. Charlie made mistakes here but this was going to be a disaster from the start. He was hired by an outgoing president who hired an AD no one liked and Charlie wasn't the boosters pick. We still have no leadership at the top. I know people say winning cures all that, but I'm not sure About that. It was just a bad fig from the stsrt. I'm telling you right now if we don't fix the leadership vacuum in the athletic department the next guy will struggle to.
It's true that Charlie inherited a mess, and there's no doubt we have a flaming, runaway clown car of an athletics administration, but the only people whose opinions have truly mattered -- the two terrible ADs and the meddling University president, who have each made it crystal clear that they're not going to be pushed around by the BMDs -- have desperately wanted Charlie to succeed. He has essentially been completely insulated from discontented boosters.
If he had able to produce a successful year, the fan base would largely be united, and we'd be off to the races. But Charlie made too many of the same old mistakes for that to have been a very statistically significant possibility.
Point being, this didn't have to be a disaster. Charlie faced some fairly stiff headwinds from the outset, but it was nothing insurmountable with the right decision-making. Instead, he turned those headwinds into a hurricane with his own endless parade of terrible hires -- and lack of accountability for the same -- along with his and his staff's lack of adequate attention to detail. This could have worked, and it's ultimately on Charlie that it didn't.
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There is more to the lack of success in football than just coaching is all I'm saying. So anyone who thinks that Herrman, Dabo, or whoever is gonna come In and everything is going to be ok they'll be sadly disappointed.
I have no doubt that they admin(such as it is) wanted Stromg to succeed. I question weather they had the ability to create an enviorment that allowed that. I think it's fair to ask that.
I have no doubt that they admin(such as it is) wanted Stromg to succeed. I question weather they had the ability to create an enviorment that allowed that. I think it's fair to ask that.
All Strong had to do was go 7-5 after 2 losing seasons. Then, he would have been retained. Put blame where it's due.
I don't entirely disagree.
But Texas is far from the only dysfunctional athletics department out there, and other coaches have managed to win even in similarly messy environments. Even with our problems, Texas still offers a coach damn near everything he truly needs to succeed.
Winning at the highest levels take great recruiting, at least good coaching, and some luck. Look at Charlie's recruiting classes. He has had the first part amply covered. Admittedly the third part has seemed to elude him, but he had full control over the second part, and he blew it. All Charlie had to do was go 8-4 (or probably even 7-5 with mostly close losses) in this pitiful conference in his third year, and with the talent he has assembled -- despite its youth -- that should not have been a tall order. Our mess in the AD is not what ultimately stopped him from winning.
Yeah Charlie has had zero luck here. We lost 2 games last year because of kicking mishaps. We beat Kstate and KU if the Foreman brothers don't drop a TD pass, and fumble. Wherever Charlie is next it would not surprise me to see him do well.
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Yo MM. Que pasa? This is OUMM visiting with UTMM. lol Forbes top 10 richest athletic depts. in D-1-A college football. 1.) Texas 2.) Notre Dame 3.) Penn St 4.) LSU 5.) Michigan 6.) Alabama 7.) Georgia 8.) Arkansas 9.) Auburn 10.) Oklahoma.
MM, we know coach salaries take unbelievable jumps that leave us all aghast. (my opinion only is
Texas can hire 99% of any college football coach in the NCAA. (and 75- 90% of any pro coach) Depending on how you look at the stats, UT is either the # 1, # 2, or # 3 top football program in all of NCAA history. Period!! UT is in the top medical, engineering, and law schools in America. The Howard Hughes Foundation gives the UT SW Medical Research group 1 billion $$$$ per year.Their B.A. program is second to none. Academics are more than covered.
Now, football. If UT offered Nick Saban and he didn't take it, ol' Nick's agent would be hanging from the rafters. If Texas wants coaching salaries to double, Saban will/would be a Horn. Monster stadium, monster rabid fan base, every Texas H.S. 4* & 5* growing up sleeping in burnt orange P.J.s, dreaming of scoring UT T.D.s, and cowgirls on 6th street.
Soooooo, UT has it all. Money, facilities that make some pro programs blush, choice of any assistant coaches wanted, crazy wild fans, best recruiting base in the nation, their own T.V. sports channel, and on and on. Did I mention money?
Finally, MM, the 'sleeping giant' is about to wake up. Annnnndddd, with 'any' coach in America they want. Sorry for the book, but I could write a novel. Been following OU and Texas since 1954, and trust me, I've seen it all. Of course I could be wrong, but I sure as hades doubt it. lol Enjoy the ride MM. It's gonna be a really fun 30-50 years. When you're celebrating that title, remember what that old Okie told you.
OUMM, don't get me started on Saban and what could/should have been. He was Texas' hire and was pretty much a done deal before Mack was out, but that is a whole cluster F that didn't happen for a lot of reasons. I can only imagine if the Saban hire would have happened, as it looked like it was going to, and where Texas would be at today. Makes my blood boil!
It seems Strong needs everyone's approval in order to do his job is what you are saying? It seems to me Texas has gone out of its way to insulate Strong. What did Texas DO to him? Really? Expect too much?
I will never understand the point that Strong can't succeed because some boosters mouthed off. That is just no reason.
I agree that this season has been a disappointment, however we are quickly becoming Notre Dame in it's futility. Notre Dame has one of the most petulant fan bases out there. We come in a close second. A Herman hire signals that we can only get coaches who have some sort of connection to the boosters. Meaning that successfull D1 coaches will shun our boosters. This is a sign of a declining program. After 2 seasons of suck with Herman, where do we go? My guess would be Major.
My suggestion to boosters (see picture of Jerry Jones) shut your mouths and resume $100 hand shakes, well $1000 adjusted for inflation.
**Wild Thought**
This is a symptom of a larger problem. We are competing against programs in Texas and Oklahoma that are out cheating us. Problems with boosters meddling with coaching means that we have limited their ability to affect the state of our program. Do any other programs in Texas or the US ( see Alabama and tOSU) have this problem as bad as we do save Notre Dame, no. They pay players while we take the high road. I would say that I am wearing my tin foil hat too tight but look at the non existence of the NCAA in punishing wrong doing. The solution is to pay players and GTHO of the big 12 otherwise we take the high road and stick with CS and the results will come eventually.
My suggestion to boosters (see picture of Jerry Jones) shut your mouths and resume $100 hand shakes, well $1000 adjusted for inflation.
**Wild Thought**
This is a symptom of a larger problem. We are competing against programs in Texas and Oklahoma that are out cheating us. Problems with boosters meddling with coaching means that we have limited their ability to affect the state of our program. Do any other programs in Texas or the US ( see Alabama and tOSU) have this problem as bad as we do save Notre Dame, no. They pay players while we take the high road. I would say that I am wearing my tin foil hat too tight but look at the non existence of the NCAA in punishing wrong doing. The solution is to pay players and GTHO of the big 12 otherwise we take the high road and stick with CS and the results will come eventually.
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