Huge shout out to ERCOT. THANK YOU!!!!!

Where did you get this information? The e-mail said they would be charged $9000 a kWh.

I could be reading this completely wrong.

 
Aren’t people always making fun of how often weather men and women are wrong? So can we really say they knew how bad this would be?

This is on our infrastructure and it’s inability to handle these events.
Yes, they absolutely should have known. It's their ****ing job to know when catastrophic events are going to happen. Hell, I started a thread on how dangerous this was going to be last Wednesday.
 
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Where did you get this information? The e-mail said they would be charged $9000 a kWh.
It's $9/kWh. The wholesale system wide offer cap is $9000/MWh, for now. Since we've spent so many hours at the cap, the system wide offer cap will soon be $2000/MWh or 50x the average natural gas price.

Still $9/kWh is horrible when most fixed price payers are paying $.09/kWh.
 
Speaking of the $9000 cap, the ERCOT sent out a note today that according to the tariff, prices will effectively remain at $9000 until all curtailments are ceased. That's a long time from now, probably Thursday. I think the previous record for intervals (15 minute segments) we spent at the Cap was 11 in Summer of 2011. I don't know how many intervals we've been at the cap since Monday, but it is way, way more than that.

If you're buying fixed-price electricity from smaller REP or less creditworthy REP, there is a very decent chance they are folding right now. The capital requirements to keep up with this market are insane. Watch that carefully. If your REP folds, you go to Provider of Last Resort (POLR), and the rates they charge are really high - so you'll want to replace your REP asap.
 
I used to work for ercot as a software engineer about ten years ago

This is what happens when you have a deregulated market. It has its pluses and minuses

A minus is charging what the market rate is for energy

It's going to be interesting what happens with the market rate after this. The PUC just made energy cheaper for customers in last year rate case.
 
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What’s sad is there’s likely employees that tried to warn their superiors about this but were shunned because they don’t have enough pull.
 
Speaking of the $9000 cap, the ERCOT sent out a note today that according to the tariff, prices will effectively remain at $9000 until all curtailments are ceased. That's a long time from now, probably Thursday. I think the previous record for intervals (15 minute segments) we spent at the Cap was 11 in Summer of 2011. I don't know how many intervals we've been at the cap since Monday, but it is way, way more than that.

If you're buying fixed-price electricity from smaller REP or less creditworthy REP, there is a very decent chance they are folding right now. The capital requirements to keep up with this market are insane. Watch that carefully. If your REP folds, you go to Provider of Last Resort (POLR), and the rates they charge are really high - so you'll want to replace your REP asap.
Yep. The amounts of credit needed to continue are huge.
 
We’re on 37.5 hours of no power here in my house. I say my house because the neighbors behind us, and my neighbors across the street all have power. Our neighborhood is about 70/30 without power.

I’m not even sure how that ****ing works, but some are good while others are left in the cold.
 
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We’re on 37.5 hours of no power here in my house. I say my house because the neighbors behind us, and my neighbors across the street all have power. Our neighborhood is about 70/30 without power.

I’m not even sure how that ****ing works, but some are good while others are left in the cold.
can you go kick it with a neighbor?
 
I used to work for ercot as a software engineer about ten years ago

This is what happens when you have a deregulated market. It has its pluses and minuses

A minus is charging what the market rate is for energy

Tell me again what the positives for de-regulation are.

There have been a couple of studies that have shown that deregulation hasn’t really lowered customer prices over the long term.
 
My buddy has offered a queen bed with heat and all of the creature comforts, except water, but we can’t leave the cats (or really bring them).
gotta look out for the kitties. that's good stuff
 
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Lol...Why wouldn’t you hold the people accountable that you hired to do a job?

We all get that you don’t like Republicans, but these hot takes are pretty bad.
it's called political posturing
he hired the imbeciles
CA did the same thing
played golf together later in the month too LOL
 
It is easy to pick on ERCOT in this situation. However, this is only a massive failure due to the private generators failing to run and breaking. They are going to lose billions for this situation, so I think the correct market features are in place to align returns with scarcity.

However, thermal units performing at this outage level is unheard of in context. In reality, these units have never been in temps near this level and we’re obviously it prepared. It’s like 30% of the cars on the road breaking and not expecting traffic. Every single fuel source has tripped, plants built during regulation tripped, plants built after deregulation tripped.

in 2011 when this happened prior, it was almost all the “new” plants that tripped, the 8500 ccgt units. That hasn’t been the case this time as everything broke. Obviously, all units were not preparing for weather at this temperature. It’ll be fascinating to learn what could’ve been done. I’m guessing it will be a $50k part or overhaul could have saved the company billions.

I know a lot of people at ERCOT, including the executives. They are not as dumb as this event would lead one to believe. They are almost all good engineers who care deeply about reliability. They trusted generators to be prepared and they were burned. It’ll be fascinating to understand if this was infrastructure problem within the plants (instrument problems) or mostly led by pipeline capacity problems or NG generation.

I fully expect Texas to pay billions for power that won’t be needed again for 50 years.
 
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it's called political posturing
he hired the imbeciles
CA did the same thing
played golf together later in the month too LOL

I understand what he was TRYING to imply, but he has two options....

Investigate and hold the people HE HIRED accountable

Or

Make excuses for the people he hired and try to deflect towards the fact that this was a extreme situation.

Which do you think would be better for his political career?
 
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It is easy to pick on ERCOT in this situation. However, this is only a massive failure due to the private generators failing to run and breaking. They are going to lose billions for this situation, so I think the correct market features are in place to align returns with scarcity.

However, thermal units performing at this outage level is unheard of in context. In reality, these units have never been in temps near this level and we’re obviously it prepared. It’s like 30% of the cars on the road breaking and not expecting traffic. Every single fuel source has tripped, plants built during regulation tripped, plants built after deregulation tripped.

in 2011 when this happened prior, it was almost all the “new” plants that tripped, the 8500 ccgt units. That hasn’t been the case this time as everything broke. Obviously, all units were not preparing for weather at this temperature. It’ll be fascinating to learn what could’ve been done. I’m guessing it will be a $50k part or overhaul could have saved the company billions.

I know a lot of people at ERCOT, including the executives. They are not as dumb as this event would lead one to believe. They are almost all good engineers who care deeply about reliability. They trusted generators to be prepared and they were burned. It’ll be fascinating to understand if this was infrastructure problem within the plants (instrument problems) or mostly led by pipeline capacity problems or NG generation.

I fully expect Texas to pay billions for power that won’t be needed again for 50 years.

Is there a way to see if you’re in a protected zone e.g. hospital? Maybe a map. The Oncor app sucks ass to tell who is and who isn’t impacted as far as it relates to areas.
 
Is there a way to see if you’re in a protected zone e.g. hospital? Maybe a map. The Oncor app sucks ass to tell who is and who isn’t impacted as far as it relates to areas.
I’m unaware of how to determine that. I only know from hurricane Ike.
 
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